Avoid the RVS? I fucking joke voted. That's what you do in the RVS. RVS. Random voting stage. I made a random vote, not truly random. Just like everyone else does. Discussion came from the RVS. Just like any other game. How the fuck am I "avoiding" the RVS by voting?Percy wrote:You may have been able to avoid the RVS, if Korts didn't call you on it.Kmd4390 158 wrote:Nobody ever called it anti-town before Korts. Not once. I didn't think anyone here even knew that meta. How would it help me as scum coming into this game?
How is it a crap argument. I've said specifically why it's OMGUS. All you say is "nuh-uh".Percy wrote:By telling me that you knew what OMGUS was, you were implicitly rebutting my defence. I was telling you that it was a crap argument, because it is.Kmd4390 158 wrote:How fucking dense are you? Did I tell you to do anything? No. I said I know what OMGUS is by now.
You misunderstood me. My theory is that subconscious OMGUS happens. Someone attacks you, you'll want to attack them. This is regardless of alignment. You either are town and honestly start to see them as scum, or you are scum and start to see them as too protown and needing to die.Percy wrote:Now you're arguing that it's subconscious OMGUS, something you are aware of, but I'm not (or at least saying that it's a possibility - incidentally, subconscious OMGUS seems like a towntell to me). I'm saying that my case is more than that, and you're being dismissive.
Because that's how mafia games start. By making something of nothing. That's exactly what happened. And you didn't see it as a big deal at all until after I voted you.Percy wrote:Yes, indefensible is a word. And yes, your position is indefensible. Your initial vote meant you avoided the RVS, and you've gone to great lengths to say that it meant nothing. But doing something that means nothing is just the same as doing nothing, so why do it at all?Kmd4390 158 wrote: It's indefnsible (is that a word?) why? Because you said so?
What changed between the time there was no side to pick and the time you voted me? Because you looked at the same point to say both.Percy wrote:I am conscious that the original vote reason was not very solid at all. It wasn't OMGUS, but I voted based on your actions and my read of you.
I could say the same thing, scum.Percy wrote:Since then, your responses have been scummy, and my case has developed. I would be more than happy to ignore the "jokevote" scenario and still keep my vote on you.
So you don't think it benefits me as scum to see her as town and yet it's scummy to see her as town? Still not following you here. How are you dumb enough to honestly believe this? You are either scum or the most retarded townie I have ever seen.Percy wrote:Kmd4390 158 wrote:Why is Zazie scummy then? Why haven't you expressed suspicion on her? Seriously, unless you either think she is scum, or you think it benefits me as scum to say I think she is town, I think you should drop this.Againwith the false dichotomies. My read on ZazieR is pretty null, given that she hasn't posted in ages and I had a null read back when she was posting.
How was it unsupported. I said it was based on meta and even said what specifically she did that she normally does as town.Percy wrote:I think your statement that you were "very sure" that she is town was an unsupported, scummy statement. That does not mean that I think ZazieR is scummy, or that I have to establish that to make my point.
Fair enough.Percy wrote:Kmd4390 158 wrote:I didn't vote you on meta alone. I said that the meta added to the already existing case. With the meta dismissed, that addition is dismissed as well. Everything else is still there.The point is that you didn't read it!You just said "oh, that's another point against Percy!" without bothering to do your research. Sure, you retracted your statement when you were caught out, but that doesn't make the initial statement any better.
I had a strong town read on a player who provided meta. I was wrong to blindly trust that meta.
Percy wrote:That's just the point - there is nothing in the thread to give you a "very town" read.Kmd4390 158 wrote:What knowledge did I claim? And when? Quote it.Youclaimed that she was very town and didn't say why, beyond a meta impression. I'm saying that no meta impression can be that strong, and you haven't provided any evidence to show us why we should think she's town.
I'm sick of repeating this. My read is that she was town because she normally asks a lot of questions as town. If you want me to go through every single post she made before I said that and compare it exactly with a game where she was scum and a game where she was town, I could do it. I personally think that would be a waste of time, but that is exactly why I have the read I do. I'm not here to make your opinions for you. I'm here to get my own reads and push my own cases. I think I'm doing that right now.
Bullshit scum can get away with not reading. Scum HAVE to read in order to make cases that are actually convincing. Just as much as, if not more than town.Percy wrote:Wrong, wrong, wrong. Town can only win if they participate and read everything. Scum can just skim and get vibes and pick and choose a few quotes. Good scum should read, but scum can get away with not reading.Kmd4390 158 wrote:Actually, scum should pay more attention than town. They need to know how to control the game. Which players to paint as scummy. You get it though. You are doing a pretty decent job here as scum.
Kirroha flat out said she WON'T LET us lynch you. That is a terrible stance to take. Looks like newbie scum whose buddy is going down. When you flip scum, I'm setting my effort on Kirroha next.Percy wrote:Have you noticed all the attention kirroha's getting for her read of me? Do you think that her actions should be dismissed? Oh wait, no, you think that the kirroha/Percy axis is great, and that kirroha should be lynched! At leastKmd4390 158 wrote:Why the fuck are town reads scummy in a game where scum don't even kill?tryto be consistent.
Don't throw around words you don't understand unless you can point to them specifically. Go play a newbie game. The ICs will tell you what all this stuff means. Maybe you can be scum with an IC too. They'll show you how not to get caught like this.Percy wrote:You also asked me where you strawmanned, misrepped and established false dichotomies. The instances are clearly marked in my posts, including this one.
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Can we lynch this guy now?