Mini 788 - Fantasy Mafia [OVER]

[ortolan]

ZazieR: my intention was for her to out herself as scum by refusing to self-hammer despite the lynch being necessary from a town perspective. That was why I brought it up. However in retrospect as she's going to get lynched regardless it doesn't matter if we find out if she's scum before or after she gets lynched. I'm sure you'll find a way to spin this as scummy either way though, and regardless of what her flip was (I admit I was mistaken on this point though).

[SensFan]

Well, obv the count is incorrect as Goat unvoted Kevin >.<

The Mod has absolutely, no-way, no clue what you're talking about.

[Starbuck]

Well now, you guys will never know.

I think there's quite a number of scum on my bandwagon. I hope the village takes note of who is on my bandwagon and who's votes switch (if they do) and line them up next for lynching.

[Starbuck]

Well, obv the count is incorrect as Goat unvoted Kevin >.<
Anyway, Star, why didn''t you claim you couldn''t vote before?
And I don''t want her to selfvote now. Only as last resort.

You guys already were screaming that I was scum, wouldn't that just set everything off more?

It's the reason I suggested revealing even a couple roles.

Uhm, no. Because this claim could be tested.

And how so? When I tried to start bringing it up, by discussion of reveals/power roles, I immediately was scummy to mostly everyone, including yourself.

So explain to me how it would have helped if I had revealed it sooner?

[SensFan]

CDB is fantastically awesome, and replaces Mixologist!

Deadline in about 12 hours.

[ChannelDelibird]

That I am, Sens.

I'll get cracking on reading up and voting before deadline.

[Starbuck]

Can I ask that no one switch anything until CDB gets caught up? Give him a fair chance to weigh in?

[ZazieR]

Well, obv the count is incorrect as Goat unvoted Kevin >.<
Anyway, Star, why didn''t you claim you couldn''t vote before?
And I don''t want her to selfvote now. Only as last resort.

You guys already were screaming that I was scum, wouldn't that just set everything off more?

It's the reason I suggested revealing even a couple roles.

Uhm, no. Because this claim could be tested.

And how so? When I tried to start bringing it up, by discussion of reveals/power roles, I immediately was scummy to mostly everyone, including yourself.

So explain to me how it would have helped if I had revealed it sooner?

Power roles are roles that have a night action to me. What you claim to have is something that influences your play during the day, just like PR''s, and that should be claimed asap in my opinion.

[ZazieR]

Well now, you guys will never know.

I think there's quite a number of scum on my bandwagon. I hope the village takes note of who is on my bandwagon and who's votes switch (if they do) and line them up next for lynching.

Then state who and why. You''re not lynched, so why don''t you voice your opinion?

[ZazieR]

ZazieR: my intention was for her to out herself as scum by refusing to self-hammer despite the lynch being necessary from a town perspective. That was why I brought it up. However in retrospect as she's going to get lynched regardless it doesn't matter if we find out if she's scum before or after she gets lynched. I'm sure you'll find a way to spin this as scummy either way though, and regardless of what her flip was (I admit I was mistaken on this point though).

I don''t think that not self-hammering is a tell for an allignment.

[ChannelDelibird]

Right, I've had to skim a bit more than I would like to make sure that I have time to discuss a bit, but here's where I'm at:

This Starbuck wagon is

terrible

. She seems really clearly newbtown to me, though, no offence intended, she's not playing particularly well, but her motivations look pretty clear to me and her posts around the page 9/10/11 mark (which, correct me if I'm wrong, are the basis of the wagon) seem clearly worded from POV of town. The claim is weird but the last vote count pretty obviously implies that there are some weird voting issues in this game so it's believable (and testable, too).

What is immensely frustrating is that it now looks, given the time remaining, that it won't be possible to lynch anyone other than Starbuck. I would rather be voting KMD right now, for being one of the guys to push Starbuck early and way too hard, for his lengthy period of voting for Andy but not addressing him at all, and his "let's look at lurkers" post which only looked at one lurker - OP - when IMO Shadow Knight was a worse offender who he ignored completely.

I'm also suspicious of Shadow Knight (heavy lurking, popped up about p10 saying "just going to skip to the end before i finish my read so I can comment" but the sense of timing to that post, discussing the current issue, was too exact for him not to have been following the thread. strong lurkerscum tell), and Izzy, entirely because of her predecessor (Andy felt slimy, particularly regarding his retrospective taking credit for starting discussion and claiming sarcasm on his end of page 1 vote which did not seem worded that way at all). ortolan might make the list but I need to have time for a more detailed read on his argument with Zazie and Sudo - I just don't have the time before deadline to give this the examination it deserves.

Actually, if ortolan/Zazie/Sudo get online before deadline again, could either or preferably all of you summarise your cases against each other? That would be a great help.

No vote from me yet, I'll almost certainly have to vote Starbuck so we get a lynch but a) I want to get as much time as possible before nightfall and b) it's a terrible lynch and I don't want to hop onto it before I have to.

[ChannelDelibird]

I think there's quite a number of scum on my bandwagon.

I definitely agree here - I think scum have sensed a soft lynch and pushed it hard.

[Starbuck]

Well now, you guys will never know.

I think there's quite a number of scum on my bandwagon. I hope the village takes note of who is on my bandwagon and who's votes switch (if they do) and line them up next for lynching.

Then state who and why. You''re not lynched, so why don''t you voice your opinion?

I have given my opinions on who is scum.

[ortolan]

This Starbuck wagon is

terrible

. She seems really clearly newbtown to me, though, no offence intended, she's not playing particularly well, but her motivations look pretty clear to me and her posts around the page 9/10/11 mark (which, correct me if I'm wrong, are the basis of the wagon) seem clearly worded from POV of town. The claim is weird but the last vote count pretty obviously implies that there are some weird voting issues in this game so it's believable (and testable, too).

I agree with all of this.

I'm also suspicious of Shadow Knight (heavy lurking, popped up about p10 saying "just going to skip to the end before i finish my read so I can comment" but the sense of timing to that post, discussing the current issue, was too exact for him not to have been following the thread. strong lurkerscum tell), and Izzy, entirely because of her predecessor (Andy felt slimy, particularly regarding his retrospective taking credit for starting discussion and claiming sarcasm on his end of page 1 vote which did not seem worded that way at all). ortolan might make the list but I need to have time for a more detailed read on his argument with Zazie and Sudo - I just don't have the time before deadline to give this the examination it deserves.

So you're suspicious of

both

sides of the wagon (me and Andy)? That seems a bizarre conclusion to draw.

Actually, if ortolan/Zazie/Sudo get online before deadline again, could either or preferably all of you summarise your cases against each other? That would be a great help.

I find Sudo and Andy/Izzy scummier than Zaz. Andy did nothing the whole game but be hypocritical about joke-voting, then vote me and latch on then never engage in any scumhunting or commentary for the duration of his stay in the game. Izzy seems to be trying his best to continue this trend. Sudo_Nym has been tunneling on me all game and re-reading my own posts I don't think he's been scum-hunting, I don't see why he could think my early game play is likely to come from scum when I have such little motivation to play like that as scum. Again, he ignores my arguments and continues tunneling. He also wagoned Starbuck for little reason. ZazieR is again similar. We got into long drawn out bouts of arguing because she continually used the least charitable interpretations of my arguments she could. Also Starbuck is an easy wagon.

[ChannelDelibird]

So you're suspicious of

both

sides of the wagon (me and Andy)? That seems a bizarre conclusion to draw.

My uncertain read on you is not so much to do with your position on Andy as a couple of things that I noticed while skimming through your arguments with Zazie and Sudo in the last few pages. I will probably have to elaborate this on Day 2 (as I say, I don't want to make accusations until I've been able to read the context more thoroughly). I agreed with your position on Andy when reading the earlier parts of the game.

[ChannelDelibird]

An aside: the rest of the game is going to be much the poorer for the lack of Starbuck's avatar. <3 Katee Sackhoff

[Starbuck]

An aside: the rest of the game is going to be much the poorer for the lack of Starbuck's avatar. <3 Katee Sackhoff

The picture which the avatar came from is on my fridge.

I <3 her too.

[Goatrevolt]

I agree with most of what Channel said. I think the SK lurkerscum point is a strong one. Since then, he seems to have followed up his lurking with more lurking.

[Kmd4390]

We need either more Star votes or a new wagon. I don't want to no lynch.

[Starbuck]

I agree with most of what Channel said. I think the SK lurkerscum point is a strong one. Since then, he seems to have followed up his lurking with more lurking.

So why don't we lynch the lurker? Rather than someone who is actively posting and adding content?

[ChannelDelibird]

We need either more Star votes or a new wagon. I don't want to no lynch.

I agree. In fact, I'm going to go ahead and

unvote (if necessary), vote: Shadow Knight

. Either him or Kmd. Will move to Starbuck if I need to.

[Kmd4390]

As weak as that is, we have less than 9 hours to pull something off and I don't know what the fuck is up with Starbuck being alive after 7 votes.

Unvote, Vote Shadow Knight

[Goatrevolt]

Unvote, Vote Shadow Knight

Not my top wagon pick, but it's definitely better than a Starbuck lynch.

[ChannelDelibird]

If Shadow Knight doesn't have more votes than Starbuck by 1am in my timezone (currently 9:50pm for me), I'll relucantly move back.

[Starbuck]

If we get enough on Shadow, I'll hammer.