mini 814: OVER!

[Droideka_11]

Henrz you sexy chicken, I didn't know you were in this Mafia

Vote: Starbuck

[Droideka_11]

What is your opinions on the random voting stage?

Well it seems like the norm here, though your aproach of asking questions is good for generating discussion as well.

Why did you pick this game in particular?

I didn't. Signed up for the next open mini-themed mafia. I like the concept of this mafia though.

Who do you expect to be the first person to be lynched this game, and why?

I don't know. Hopefully not me. Was lynched on the first day in the last mafia (as Town).

Who do you want to be lynched first this game, and why?

Nobody in particular yet.

[Droideka_11]

Well, I didn't notice those question either until you mentioned it was for everyone later on. Maybe you should have bolded it.

[Droideka_11]

Please read the post right above yours.

My attack was nothing more than curious probing until he termed it "Hostile" of me to do so. Justification as to why that constitutes a vote on page one above.

I'm assuming you are DOESnotWANT?

[Droideka_11]

Getting a little inactive...

3. I don't know, I'm hoping it won't be me, as I tend to be an early lynch when playing town.

I can see what you mean by it sounding fishy. Though I don't think there is much to there that would indicate scum. I made a similar statement a while back. I was merely being honest. I tend to be more aggresive when playing Town and get lynched because of it.

[Droideka_11]

Getting a little inactive...

3. I don't know, I'm hoping it won't be me, as I tend to be an early lynch when playing town.

I can see what you mean by it sounding fishy. Though I don't think there is much to there that would indicate scum. I made a similar statement a while back. I was merely being honest. I tend to be more aggresive when playing Town and get lynched because of it.

Yes, I knew that it wasn't much of anything, but it was also something to spark her to talk and respond, and hopefully get some more conversation going on.

Claramata's neighbors could head next door and prod her, which at this point is the only thing we can do with our messages. :S (Well, all that I see)

Meh, maybe we can make some sort of plan to catch scum without actually posting it in the thread

[Droideka_11]

Unvote; Vote: Droideka

for not playing aggressively as he claims he tends to when town.

I'm kind of trying to change that. When I start playing aggressively its because I think someone is acting scummy. Like in 791, where I thought somebody was acting scummy and I got lynched, he was town in the end so I'm thinking that's probably not the best way to play anymore

[Droideka_11]

Ye Droid does suck when trying to find loopholes *Cough*Genghis Kahn*Cough* and also dies a lot when he plays aggressively. But he is changing (slightly).

Wasn't a loop hole. I knew you were scum the whole game because of that plan.

And the response to the Random vote... Doesn't really help...

Unvote Vote: Henrz

. Discuss.

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[Droideka_11]

I don't like your reasoning at all for voting for yourself.

Vote: Henrz

I think Henrz explanation for voting for himself was satisfactory. This looks like a blatant bandwagon to me.

FoS: Starbuck

[Droideka_11]

Stop using other accounts... Firstly, I never said I don't like the RVS we just needed to get out of it, and secondly what does the RVS got to do with voting myself?

The other account was an accident. As for the RV, Absolutely nothing, which is why it is scummy. We didn't need to get out of the RVS so badly that you needed to act like scum.

You've made that 'accident' too many times now.

And I'd like to know how self-voting is scummy besides 'it isn't scumhunting'.
And by that point we were out of the RVS. The game was stalling and nothing was happening.
I'd say we exited the RVS when the first non-random vote came (post 35). Hernz self-voted on post 75, well after the RVS ended and while the game was stalling.

If you want to defend self voting as a valid tactic, that's fine. I don't. I think it's anti town. Not necessarily so much scummy, but definately anti town. There's better things we could be doing that will bring better results.

Well, I didn't see you doing anything when the game was stalling Monkey.

[Droideka_11]

Voting is a tool to find scum. If you vote for yourself, you are either misleading the town or saying there's a good chance you're scum. The town should pursue cases against those that are voted on, be it self votes or otherwise. It seems obvious to me.

Yes because scum often vote for themselves...

I don't see how Henrz was acting scummy when he voted for himself. Attracting uneeded attention to yourself in order to get the game moving is hardly scummy IMO.

[Droideka_11]

Voting is a tool to find scum. If you vote for yourself, you are either misleading the town or saying there's a good chance you're scum. The town should pursue cases against those that are voted on, be it self votes or otherwise. It seems obvious to me.

Yes because scum often vote for themselves...

I don't see how Henrz was acting scummy when he voted for himself. Attracting uneeded attention to yourself in order to get the game moving is hardly scummy IMO.

WIFOM much? If self voting was pro town, everyone would do it all the time.

I love it when people just chalk everything up to WIFOM.

Generaly scum try not to attract uneeded attention to themselves, don't you agree? There was no need for Henrz to do what he did as scum.

[Droideka_11]

Droideka: do you think Starbuck is scummier than Monkey?

Well we've beeen focusing a lot on Monkey and less on Starbuck, I find Starbuck to be more scummy than Monkey. Monkey has been giving some reasons for why he voted for Henrz (albeat flawed IMO) whilst Starbuck hasn't posted much since and the reasons for voting Henrz were very poor.

Here's her post:

I don't like your reasoning at all for voting for yourself.

Vote: Henrz

She does a blatant bandwagon, completely ignores whatever Henrz just said and puts Henrz at L-2. That I think is scummy.

[Droideka_11]

You should read farther on Droid. I elaborate.

You elaborate very little. They're all either one or two liners, they hardly contain any solid reasons. Lets look at all your posts since then:

I don't think that self-voting should be used EVER. That's why I voted Henrz.

Again you completely ignore whatever Henrz said and simply say you're voting for him because it shouldn't be used "EVER".

The goal of this game is not to vote for yourself. It's to decipher and solve and find out who the scummiest people are.

Voting for yourself is anti-town. It's a stance I will always take because it is against the spirit of the game.

You're taking a stance on something and you're not looking at it within the context of the game.

I agree with this. There's an easy fix. Just don't look at this thread when you are on that account. You said it's your mod account right? I don't really feel comfortable with the fact that you could easily come in and edit your post whenever you feel like it with that account.

This is your next post in which you only post about Monkey's second account. Actively lurking IMO.

There are better ways to stimulate conversation other than self-voting. Henrz only joined just a few days before I did, so I would say he should have been around long enough now to know better.

I disagree, there was nothing going on at the time and the game was stalling. Clearly there were no "better ways to stimulate conversation".

In summary, the reason I think you're scummy is because you completely ignore the

reasons

why Henrz voted for himself. Instead you generalize the situation and excuse your vote by saying "self-voting shouldn't be used ever", much like Monkey did.

[Droideka_11]

I didn't ignore him at all.

There ARE much better ways to stimulate conversation.

The fact that someone would place a vote on themselves is completely against the way Mafia is played. If you want to think me suspicious for this, fine. I really don't care.

The fact that you have nothing else on me other than the fact that I think self-voting is wrong is pretty scummy on your part.

Yet again you're generalizing what Henrz did. Yes, he voted for himself,

but

he had actual reasons for doing so, which proved beneficial to the town. You're not looking at how it's benefited the town and instead you are voting for him solely on the grounds that "self-voting is always scummy", whcih is not always the case.

I mean look at whats happened since Henrz self-voted, we have a lot of discussion going on and we're actually duscussing something. Surely this in itself is proof that Self-Voting is not

always

as scummy as you are so intent on believing.

[Droideka_11]

What has it done to the game other than having us all fight about whether self-voting is wrong?

So you think that debating about whether or not self-voting is wrong is bad? I think it's exactly the opposite - it got the discussion going and we got out of the RVS for good. And most importantly, everyone reacted to Hernz's selfvote in different ways, which is also very informative. Take this, for example:

And the response to the Random vote... Doesn't really help...

Unvote Vote: Henrz

. Discuss.

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I don't think that's a particularly great reaction, because it looks like Droideka wanted to wait for everyone else to comment on that first, before saying anything himself. He doesn't comment the selfvote at all, until Hernz explains why he did it. Then we get this:

I think Henrz explanation for voting for himself was satisfactory. This looks like a blatant bandwagon to me.

So, why didn't you comment on the selfvote before Hernz explained it? If you were just waiting for an explanation, why was that?

I didn't know what to make of it at the time. Actualy at first I thought Henrz was being stupid. I'd never seen anyone self-vote out of nowhere. However, later on I see that it actualy was a pretty good way to kickstart the game.

Anyways, I think Starbuck was acting scummy when she voted for Henrz. She completely ignored what came out of it and excused hereself by saying it was a policy vote (i.e. Self-voting is always bad).

[Droideka_11]

Wow Droid, quite the tunnel vision you have there.

I'm just stating what I think. I believe Starbuck is our best lead at the moment. Thoughts on this Town?

[Droideka_11]

Oh FFS, notice how I said "thoughts on this Town"? I didn't mean for everyone to vote for her.

By the way, nice speed lynch there Monkey.

It's unfortunate that you all let my personal preference of not liking self-voting be the main reason behind my lynch, rather than finding anything actually scummy. I have been working on a notepad document that I was going to post now that I got home from work. Now all that hard work has gone to waste and it's not worth posting because it's obvious that you all just didn't care. I would have hoped that a claim would have been waited for from such

experienced

mafia players or that the replacement would be given time to catch up. I will be sure not to place into games with any of you again.

Dont take it like that Starbuck. A speed lynch (which is what happened here) is something that happens. I don't think you can blame us for being suspicious. Or the Mafia for speed lynching you.

[Droideka_11]

Yeah, even though I agree with Starbuck on self-voting, it's true that she's not scumhunting. I'm still suspicious of Hertz though.

Unvote:
Vote: Starbuck

You had a shabby reason for voting for Starbuck. You two both agreed that self-voting is a bad thing and then you suddenly turn on her when she's at L-1

I don't get it...

I think you do.

[Droideka_11]

Damn, good luck town.

Sign me up for a replacement if you ever need one.