Mini 788 - Fantasy Mafia [OVER]

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #600 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:36 am

orangepenguin wrote:Hmm..Dizzy and Tony didn't vote Ort either. But since KMD had evidence against him, I think it's more likely that his partner bussed - Goat voted him.

Lots of people voted for him. Y'know, he was lynched. Why Goat?

Shadow Knight · Post Post #601 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:50 am

I was hoping for more information. I don't see the point in rushing a lynch and I wanted to hear from everyone before the lynch.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #602 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:42 am

orangepenguin wrote:Channel, the vote count is correct.

Vote me a second time. Can you?

ChannelDelibird wrote:*Sigh* There goes that theory for now then. I'm not saying I no longer find the vote suspicious, don't get me wrong, but the improbability and infrequency of scum getting a double-vote power makes me unwilling to vote you for now.

I agree with you regarding double voting if he's allowed to place both votes on the same player. If not, then it's definitely less powerful/of an alignment tell.

ChannelDelibird wrote:So, I guess a
Vote: DizzyIzzy
is the next place to go.

Was Ortolan trying to bus Dizzy day 1?

orangepenguin wrote:Hmm..Dizzy and Tony didn't vote Ort either. But since KMD had evidence against him, I think it's more likely that his
partner
bussed - Goat voted him.

Singular? Slip?

ChannelDelibird wrote:
orangepenguin wrote:Hmm..Dizzy and Tony didn't vote Ort either. But since KMD had evidence against him, I think it's more likely that his partner bussed - Goat voted him.
Lots of people voted for him. Y'know, he was lynched. Why Goat?

Because I'm the only one of those who attacked him personally, thus I must be scum, because a townie could never attack OP. I believe that is the justification. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #603 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:52 am

Goatrevolt wrote:
ChannelDelibird wrote:*Sigh* There goes that theory for now then. I'm not saying I no longer find the vote suspicious, don't get me wrong, but the improbability and infrequency of scum getting a double-vote power makes me unwilling to vote you for now.
I agree with you regarding double voting if he's allowed to place both votes on the same player. If not, then it's definitely less powerful/of an alignment tell.

That would be an unorthodox implementation of the role that I have not seen before. I would like OP to test/clarify this.

Goat wrote:
ChannelDelibird wrote:So, I guess a
Vote: DizzyIzzy
is the next place to go.
Was Ortolan trying to bus Dizzy day 1?

I'm not ruling it out. Should probably reread Day 1.

Goat wrote:
orangepenguin wrote:Hmm..Dizzy and Tony didn't vote Ort either. But since KMD had evidence against him, I think it's more likely that his
partner
bussed - Goat voted him.
Singular? Slip?

Nah.

orangepenguin · Post Post #604 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:25 pm

That would be an unorthodox implementation of the role that I have not seen before. I would like OP to test/clarify this.

Actually, Day 3, I thought by Double Voter, that meant that my vote would be counted twice, instead of once, because I've seen that before (ironically enough, a Sensfan game called High School Mafia), so I was confused on why Starbuck wasn't lynched, because I assumed my vote counted twice. The mod then explained I was wrong and why. And then I re-read my PM, and it said that because of my 'species', I got to compensate by having twice as many votes as everyone else and could vote two different people at a time. If I unvote, it will unvote everyone I vote for - so if I am voting for two people, and want to unvote only one, I have to go

unvote: Channel

(if I was voting you) and it would remove my vote on you.

But I don't know if I can vote twice - I wish I could. I'll try it though.

Vote: Goat

orangepenguin · Post Post #605 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:39 pm

Vote me a second time. Can you?

Doubt it. Will try.

Singular? Slip?

I was referring to you being his partner. That is why it is singular.

Because I'm the only one of those who attacked him personally, thus I must be scum, because a townie could never attack OP. I believe that is the justification. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No, it's not because you attacked me. I thought you were trying to distance yourself from Ort and then try to make me look like his partner. I never intended on you being the lynch yesterday -- I knew and wanted it to be Ort, but because I could vote more than once, I was going to utilize my ability and put some pressure on you, not that it really worked. Now that Ort has flipped, and is confirmed scum, I am going after you.

After he claimed, I thought KMD might have investigated me, but since there was only 1 night before yesterday, that would be impossible, because he investigated Ort. But he kept defending me. So I bet he investigated me last night, because I initially lurked, and then my name was under two people on the vote count, so naturally, I think KMD investigated me, just to confirm his suspicion that I was probably town - I am only saying this, because I want to be right post-game, when KMD can confirm this to us.

But I just re-read yesterday's posts with Goat, and I am not quite as suspicious of him as I was then..sooooooooooooooooo I am not actually convinced anymore of his alignment. It was mostly his accusation that I was scummy for believing a solid case on Ort that got me going and thinking he was Ort's partner - because he doubted it, and didn't vote until KMD claimed cop and sealed ort's face, so Goat decided to bus and get it over with.

orangepenguin · Post Post #606 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:43 pm

armlx wrote:Yeah....

Double voters are confirmed town, especially in minis.

Just saying.

Link to roles in HS Mafia, a Sens game.

SensFan · Post Post #607 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:48 pm

Goat - 2 (orangepenguin, orangepenguin)
Shadow - 1 (Zazie)
DizzyIzzy - 1 (CDB)

Not Voting - 5 (Goat, TonyMontana, DizzyIzzy, Empking, Shadow)

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5 to lynch!

orangepenguin · Post Post #608 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:50 pm

Oh, cool, I can. Well, that's good to know. I would've just voted Ort again.

unvote: Goat

(removing 1)

Goatrevolt · Post Post #609 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:28 pm

Cool.

Vote TonyMontana

orangepenguin · Post Post #610 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:19 pm

Ugh. I think I sealed my fate guys. The scum will NOT want me any where NEAR endgame, with me having two votes and all. Not that it matters, since the vote counts give me away if I use my ability. I guess I could've not used it until endgame. But I totally expect to die tonight, unless someone claims something better.

My full role's name is Pro-town Double Voter. If you want, I can give you the species that I am too.

You know what? My Goat vote is stupid.

unvote

. Since I have an extra vote, I might as well look at each person, in full game context, and not just partial game interaction.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #611 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:07 pm

I agree that your display of power probably wasn't the best, the way you did it is not at all how scum would do it. If scum had the double vote power, they would sit on it until they can use it to win in Lylo. So double vote + revealed in a non-scummy fashion = pro-town.

I think our best bet for finding scum right now is among the numerous lurkers.

TonyMontana · Post Post #612 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:54 pm

Good job, town and kmd, may his soul rest in peace.

Sorry that I missed the last day, it went by mighty quickly.

Why does the final VC say ort voted OP, though he never did?

Empking · Post Post #613 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:31 pm

OP; I'd like species.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #614 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:34 pm

Empking: Have you done any scumhunting this game?

ChannelDelibird · Post Post #615 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:34 pm

FoS: Empking

Are you trying to narrow down a fake species claim? OP is highly unlikely to be scum.

ZazieR · Post Post #616 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:12 am

Mod

- I''ll probably be V/LA this weekend. Some stuff came up...
Don''t really want to give more details.
I''ll try to post if I can put my thoughts towards it.

Shadow Knight · Post Post #617 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:14 pm

4th of July. I'll be back Sunday or Monday.

Empking · Post Post #618 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:43 am

ChannelDelibird wrote:
FoS: Empking

Are you trying to narrow down a fake species claim? OP is highly unlikely to be scum.

I think there's more than enough obscure claims to be made that it won't help the scum but it might help town.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #619 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:45 am

Unvote, Vote Empking

Empking · Post Post #620 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:48 am

Goatrevolt wrote:
Unvote, Vote Empking

Give reasons to your votes.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #621 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:54 am

Reasoning is for the weak of heart.

Can you answer post 614? Could you also explain how OP claiming his species could possibly help the town more than the scum?

Empking · Post Post #622 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:10 am

Goatrevolt wrote:Empking: Have you done any scumhunting this game?

Yes.

Goat; It is imposible for it to help the scum. It is possible that it might help the town.

Goat: Give reasoning.

Goatrevolt · Post Post #623 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:33 am

What scumhunting? Show me where.

It can help the scum by both narrowing down species claims as well as giving scum more of an theme to the structure of town claims. I can't think of any reason off the top of my head why it would help the town.

My reasons for voting you is a combination of your lurking, lack of any kind of scumhunting, and you ignoring questions I've asked you a couple of occasions now (my question over your cop+vig statement yesterday as well as 614 that I had to prod you into answering). Also, I think you're just BSing reasons to validate your stance that OP should reveal his species.

orangepenguin · Post Post #624 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:20 pm

How about, if we ever do a mass species claim, I'll go last, since the mafia will have to fake flavor claim.