Mini 788 - Fantasy Mafia [OVER]

[Shadow Knight]

vote empking

the disadvantage is that he could counter claim someone and if he claims, we lose that possibility.

there is NO advantage to him claiming now.

I can only think you're scum that got caught slinging craplogic.

[TonyMontana]

SK, there are no disadvantages. Fact.

There may be an advantage. Fact.

This is ridiculous. Fact

[Empking]

vote empking

the disadvantage is that he could counter claim someone and if he claims, we lose that possibility.

there is NO advantage to him claiming now.

I can only think you're scum that got caught slinging craplogic.

Oh, I hate playing with idiots.

There are NOP disadvantages as proven by the fact that you're flinging stuff like "OP has an "a" in his name" (Purposeful exageration)

[ChannelDelibird]

Empking,

why won't you respond to 640?

[Empking]

Because I know you know that stuff like "Op has an "a" in his name" isn't a disadvantage. So I know you already know the answer.

[ChannelDelibird]

Cute, but my points are not as stupid as that. They're perfectly valid, and you've yet to give me any reason to think otherwise. Tell me why each point specifically isn't valid,

or I will assume you can't

.

[Empking]

-scum get a clearer picture of what species are in the game
-scum get a clearer picture of what species are pro-town
-scum might have been preparing a particular fake species claim that might match OP's species, allowing OP to catch scum later
-OP's *proven* ability is unlikely to be a scum power
-hence, OP is unlikely to be fake claiming

- Not True
- They've still got enough info
- Scum will probably not claim OP's because that would be stupid.
- Not a disadvantage
- Ditto

[ChannelDelibird]

Finally!

-scum get a clearer picture of what species are in the game
-scum get a clearer picture of what species are pro-town
-scum might have been preparing a particular fake species claim that might match OP's species, allowing OP to catch scum later
-OP's *proven* ability is unlikely to be a scum power
-hence, OP is unlikely to be fake claiming

- Not True
- They've still got enough info
- Scum will probably not claim OP's because that would be stupid.
- Not a disadvantage
- Ditto

-scum get a clearer picture of what species are in the game

Absolutely true. The presence of Blast-Ended Skrewts in the game will have alerted the scum to the fact that there are Harry Potter races in this game. Telling them another of the species in the game could help them figure out what flavour they could draw on when claiming.

-scum get a clearer picture of what species are in the game
Rebuttal: They've still got enough info

What? How? How do you know what info they do and don't have, and why would you possibly want to give them any more?

-scum might have been preparing a particular fake species claim that might match OP's species, allowing OP to catch scum later
Rebuttal: Scum will probably not claim OP's because that would be stupid.

Obviously not *after* an OP species claim, but that's the whole point! If OP *doesn't* species claim, then scum could get caught fakeclaiming his species. This is a clear advantage to not claiming.

-OP's *proven* ability is unlikely to be a scum power
-hence, OP is unlikely to be fake claiming (this probably should have been one point)
Rebuttal: not a disadvantage

It emphasises the other disadvantages, because it reduces the advantage - because the advantage would be determining if OP is town or scum, and the above suggests that OP is town regardless of species claim.

[Empking]

Finally!

-scum get a clearer picture of what species are in the game
-scum get a clearer picture of what species are pro-town
-scum might have been preparing a particular fake species claim that might match OP's species, allowing OP to catch scum later
-OP's *proven* ability is unlikely to be a scum power
-hence, OP is unlikely to be fake claiming

- Not True
- They've still got enough info
- Scum will probably not claim OP's because that would be stupid.
- Not a disadvantage
- Ditto

-scum get a clearer picture of what species are in the game

Absolutely true. The presence of Blast-Ended Skrewts in the game will have alerted the scum to the fact that there are Harry Potter races in this game. Telling them another of the species in the game could help them figure out what flavour they could draw on when claiming.

-scum get a clearer picture of what species are in the game
Rebuttal: They've still got enough info

What? How? How do you know what info they do and don't have, and why would you possibly want to give them any more?

-scum might have been preparing a particular fake species claim that might match OP's species, allowing OP to catch scum later
Rebuttal: Scum will probably not claim OP's because that would be stupid.

Obviously not *after* an OP species claim, but that's the whole point! If OP *doesn't* species claim, then scum could get caught fakeclaiming his species. This is a clear advantage to not claiming.

-OP's *proven* ability is unlikely to be a scum power
-hence, OP is unlikely to be fake claiming (this probably should have been one point)
Rebuttal: not a disadvantage

It emphasises the other disadvantages, because it reduces the advantage - because the advantage would be determining if OP is town or scum, and the above suggests that OP is town regardless of species claim.

I don't think you can just make up advantages so you can rebut those advantages and add your rebuttals as disadvantages.

[ChannelDelibird]

Same question - why are my

advantages

invalid, and if they are, what the hell kind of advantages do you think it would bring?

Seriously, your position is incomprehensible.

Also, only one of my points in that post is connected to an advantage.

[Empking]

Which one is it?

-OP's *proven* ability is unlikely to be a scum power
-hence, OP is unlikely to be fake claiming

[ChannelDelibird]

As I said, it's one point. The second sentence leads on from the first.

[Empking]

As I said, it's one point. The second sentence leads on from the first.

So you're not gong "Op has an "A" in his name" you're going "-OP
-Has
-an"
and so on.

[ChannelDelibird]

FFS. Stop trying to pretend my point is moronic just because it proves you're wrong. I've explained it, now answer it.

[Empking]

I think the fact that you don't believe in it says enough.

[ChannelDelibird]

When have I ever said I don't believe in it? Stop making up opinions you'd like me to have.

I really don't see why you would be being this obtuse in the face of a perfectly reasonable argument if you were town.

[Empking]

When have I ever said I don't believe in it? Stop making up opinions you'd like me to have..

If you believed in it, you wouldn't have to pretend to have more reasons than you do.

[ChannelDelibird]

I've explained my reasons fully and clearly, and your rebuttals have been found wanting. The only one pretending to have reasons is you - it's been made quite clear that there is no reason to want OP to make a species claim, and yet you still act like you're correct and that to disagree with you is somehow scummy. You've been caught trying to get information you don't need, and you've been blocking any attempts to explain yourself because you know you can't.

Confirm Vote: Empking

. I can't imagine myself moving my vote today.

[Empking]

I've explained my reasons fully and clearly, and your rebuttals have been found wanting. The only one pretending to have reasons is you - it's been made quite clear that there is no reason to want OP to make a species claim, and yet you still act like you're correct and that to disagree with you is somehow scummy. You've been caught trying to get information you don't need, and you've been blocking any attempts to explain yourself because you know you can't.

Confirm Vote: Empking

. I can't imagine myself moving my vote today.

How have I been pretending to have reasons?

[ChannelDelibird]

You claim that there's more advantage than disadvantage to an OP species claim, but you can't back it up. That's pretending to have reasons.

[Empking]

You claim that there's more advantage than disadvantage to an OP species claim, but you can't back it up. That's pretending to have reasons.

I think the fact that I was as good as saying "I have no reasons" means otherwise.

[ChannelDelibird]

Not having a reason means not having an advantage, which makes the whole suggestion of an OP species claim

completely moronic

, because of the disadvantages that I've listed and explained.

[Empking]

Not having a reason means not having an advantage, which makes the whole suggestion of an OP species claim

completely moronic

, because of the disadvantages that I've listed and explained.

And I've rebutted.

[ChannelDelibird]

And I've responded to your rebuttals. The majority of which you ignored to make a single, nitpicky point on the last one.

[Shadow Knight]

Jesus Christ, watching Empking's rebuttals are like watching a retard try out for mensa. Your points don't make sense. When the everyone else thinks you're speaking gibberish and you think you're writing Shakespearean sonnets, its not everyone else who's insane.