Open 156 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over before 816

[Toro]

/confirm.

[Toro]

Vote: Debonair Danny Dipetro

Sounds pretty damn evil to me.

[Toro]

So...any towns member want to offer themselves to get lynched then?

(In response to Frankie.)

[Toro]

and I'll pretend you're

i

.

Fixed it for you. Lololol.

@Frankie: you seem to have more theories than suspicions. Why would you want to go after someone who makes stuff complicated, instead of someone else? Say, someone scummy?

So you're saying you know DDD is in fact town?

[Toro]

Huh? That statement wasn't intended to say anything at all about DDD.

What makes you think it was?

V This. V

Fixed it for you. Lololol.

@Frankie: you seem to have more theories than suspicions. Why would you want to go after someone who makes stuff complicated, instead of someone else? Say, someone scummy?

You're saying that DDD is town by saying he's not scummy, and you think he's just trying to make stuff complicated? So I'll repeat the question...

Are you saying that DDD is town?

[Toro]

Catchin' up.

[Toro]

Reasons for voting Raivann:

1) Meta - I was working on a pet project of mine and compiling data from a recently completed Newbie game Raivann was involved in. In the first five pages he had nearly thirty posts and accounted for almost thirty percent of all game posts, he was a vanilla townie. So far in this game he has a total of six posts over a similar time span. And it's not as if this was an ineffective strategy, town won the game and Raivann was NKed N3. So why such a substantial change in style unless there's a change in role?

2) Vote on Exalt - It's a terrible vote and he jumps on someone else's bad logic to place it. It's a good vote for scum because Exalt has foot in mouth disease which means it's easy to sustain with an adequate chance of securing a mislynch.

3) Response to my vote - There are certain behaviors that might've persuaded me that he's town, I didn't see any of them. His asking if I was "certain" didn't help his case either in my eyes.

Weak case.
Meta argument isn't valid. Reason 3 wasn't present yet when voted. Leaving only #2. Yet, he made already one post after ekiM complained about Raivann's vote. He had no comment. In his next post, he votes.
So three questions:
-When did you check his meta?
-Why did you check his meta?
-Why didn't you comment on Raivann's vote earlier?

I'm also interested in hearing why you voted without giving your reasons and asking others to vote with you.

I agree with ZazieR here, there's no real evidence here why we should all try to lynch Raivann. People, I'm telling you, DDD is scum, he should be the one hanging by the end of the day.

[Toro]

A:) He's been ultra defensive and ultra aggresive so far this game.
B:) He's started a bandwagon on Raivann with no concrete evidence on why we should lynch him.
C:) I'm gettin' that scummy feeling from him.

[Toro]

^ wow ^

[Toro]

A) He's been ultra defensive and ultra aggresive so far this game.

B) He's started a bandwagon on Raivann with no concrete evidence on why we should lynch him.

C) I'm gettin' that scummy feeling from him.

I can't decide if the bolded statement is more ironic or more hypocritical, but either way it's a good source of lulz.

/facepalm

Sure, scum.

[Toro]

Boredom, mostly. I'm in two games that have been dominated for a large part by Sho vs. Exalt. In both those games I found that discussion very uninteresting. Plus I joined a Bird 7P game that's more active than I had anticipated.

But typing that out made me realize that if I want some interesting discussion I might as well get it myself.

Vote: Toro

For tunneling on DDD.

And while we're on the topic of my suspect list, I'm putting Santos back on. His continued argument against Zazie is beginning to smell of stretching.

I'm telling you DDD's scum, how can you people not see it?!

[Toro]

Honestly i havent been reading the whole thread.

Now

there

's your problem...

@Toro: mostly because you lack arguments. Seriously, DDD has got more on Raivann than you do on him.

And regardless of that, tunneling is always bad. Especially if there's more than one scumbag left.

I feel more then confident that my arguments are strong enough for us to go ahead and lynch DDD. What makes you say that DDD is town muzzz?

Vote Count #10

I had all these great ideas for flavor but then I forgot them. No joke.

itacv2 (3) - ekiM, ZazieR, Sho Minamimoto
Debonair Danny DiPietro (3) - Toro, itacv2, Raivann
Santos (1) - Kise
Raivann (1) - Debonair Danny DiPietro
Toro (1) - muzzz

[Toro]

and I'll pretend you're

i

.

Fixed it for you. Lololol.

@Frankie: you seem to have more theories than suspicions. Why would you want to go after someone who makes stuff complicated, instead of someone else? Say, someone scummy?

Here you go, ZazieR.

I've got to say that Toro's case is the absolute worst that's ever been presented against me. It's so bad he's got to be town because as mindlessly as he's pushing it he'd experience way too much blowback as scum if he actually got his lynch. However, his confidence seems like a perfect place for scum to hide behind and while I believe Raivann is that scum, I'm willing to pressure itacv2 to see if it's him as well/instead.

Unvote

Vote: itacv2

And you're telling me your meta idea is better?

Gimme a break DDD.

[Toro]

I've got to say that Toro's case is the absolute worst that's ever been presented against me. It's so bad he's got to be town because as mindlessly as he's pushing it he'd experience way too much blowback as scum if he actually got his lynch. However, his confidence seems like a perfect place for scum to hide behind and while I believe Raivann is that scum, I'm willing to pressure itacv2 to see if it's him as well/instead.

Unvote

Vote: itacv2

And you're telling me your meta idea is better?

Gimme a break DDD.

Your case consists of junk playstyle arguments, the ironic argument that I'm pushing a lynch without any arguments, oh yes, and the incredibly compelling argument of you gut. Yeah, I'm sticking with my claim that you're running the worst arguments against me in any game I've played.

Actually my argument isn't ironic at all, I called you out on pushing a lynch without any arguments. I'm stupid, but I'm not

that

stupid.

[Toro]

What arguments? And if you twist my words into "DDD is town" one more time, I'll break out the slapping trout.

Oh, you already did...

*slaps Toro around a bit with a wet trout*

@Raivann: saying I "go with the flow" and "blend in" after I start attacking your buddy Toro? As Zazie would say: noted.

I don't have to twist your words muzzz, you clearly said that DDD is town. Do you want me to break it down for you one last time?

Fixed it for you. Lololol.

@Frankie: you seem to have more theories than suspicions. Why would you want to go after someone who makes stuff complicated, instead of someone else? Say, someone scummy?

Here you are addressing FrankiePeanuts/ZazieR about Frankie's thoughts of DDD seeming jumpy. Then you suggest that Frankie should quit going after DDD because he seems to be just making stuff complicated with his ultra-defensiveness, all the while saying that we should

go after someone scummy instead.

So, explain to me how I'm twisting your words once more?

[Toro]

@Toro: Frankie wasn't talking about DDD. Hence, I wasn't talking about DDD. This is the third time we're going over this. You're starting to get on my nerves.

Then who were you referring to?

Why are you so fixated on DDD? And why do you want

my

statement to be about DDD so badly?

Why you dodging the question?

[Toro]

Too many people missing which means the same people are arguing the same thing in the same circles.

yup pretty much.

[Toro]

Too many people missing which means the same people are arguing the same thing in the same circles.

yup pretty much.

The one who you suspect is actually here. Seems a weak excuse to not have to do a thing.

Yeah but DDD said, it's not going anywhere.

ahh...going to take a look back through the thread...

Unvote

[Toro]

Too many people missing which means the same people are arguing the same thing in the same circles.

yup pretty much.

The one who you suspect is actually here. Seems a weak excuse to not have to do a thing.

Yeah but DDD said, it's not going anywhere.

ahh...going to take a look back through the thread...

Unvote

That should read...

Yeah but like DDD said,

[Toro]

Yeah, seeing as nobody else thinks he is.

[Toro]

The rest of your questions aren't worth answering. So I'm not dodging anything.

HA!

Good one there muzzz.

[Toro]

Lol. Well Sho I do have to say the vote did pressure a little bit, because it made this game on top of my watched topic list as the most recent post


So anyway, I just finished finals, so at this point I should be lurker free. I'm gonna reread (again) and get back into the swing of things.

I'm honestly surprised I didn't get prodded except in one game of mine. Well... the point is, I'm back and shouldn't be lurking any longer.

So you were avoiding this game before the vote? So to speak?

[Toro]

@Toro: Frankie wasn't talking about DDD. Hence, I wasn't talking about DDD. This is the third time we're going over this. You're starting to get on my nerves.

Then who were you referring to?

Why are you so fixated on DDD? And why do you want

my

statement to be about DDD so badly?

Why you dodging the question?

Why are you ignoring the questions?

This^^,

Toro

Partially because of me feeling really sluggish this morning, could you explain what you mean? I don't know how I was ignoring any questions, in fact, muzzz hasn't even answered mine.

[Toro]

Why? Looking to make a hitlist for night?

[Toro]

I've had a bad feeling about Santos. He hasn't made a real vote all game as far as I can see. He followed DDD onto Raivann, said he liked the logic, then did a 180. Later he voted Kise for inactiveness and later unvoted. Why no real votes? What are his real suspicions?

I already explained why I messed up about the DDD votes on Raivann. When Kise looked like a lost cause, no support to get him in the thread, I unvoted. At this point in the game I wouldn't have a problem lynching ZazieR because
1) She is scum hunting almost too hard for her own good
2) Her play is incredibly null-tell

However, itacv2's defenses are rather crap.

Unvote?

Vote: itacv2

Lets do this.

What's wrong with scum hunting too hard? And being a null-tell in this game might be beneficial, and if you read the game rules (do it) you can see why. And isn't that vote you placed on Kise supposed to be the support to get him back in the thread?

Vote: Santos

[Toro]

1) Having a town leader might prove to be too trustworthy and totally overlooked.
2) Her play style is a null-tell as it is in every game she plays. You seem like you're talking about null-tells in general. Why are you not addressing what I've specifically addressed?
3) Kise was replaced by ConfidAnon and he has contributed nicely as I wanted.
4) What's with the vote? You've simply voted without any reason.

1 - True, but she might also prove to be a key piece for our success as a town.
2 - You stated her play is incredibly null-tell, that's what I'm addressing.
3 - Okay.
4 - /see above.

[Toro]

So you're voting me for unvoting Kise?

No, for trying to start a bandwagon on ZazieR who's pretty much one of the town's most dominant players as of right now. I actually wasn't voting for you on the Kise/ConfidAnon situation at all, just on the case you've built on Zaz.

And for some reason it strikes me odd how you say you have no problem lynching Zazier but you immediately jump on itacv2. Any reasoning for that?

[Toro]

Isn't Santos voting itacv2 not Zazier?

Yes he is, I'm wondering why does Santos want to hurry up the lynch when he could just pursue a new lead by just questioning Zazier, I mean seriously, we've got a little over a week yet?

[Toro]

Yet you've barely been around as well.

WHATTA TWIST!

[Toro]

*ack* *cough* */die*

[Toro]

Holy crap, this game is still going on!?