Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)
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GIEFF Internet Superstar
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This is simple.
Cephrir's play does not fit her play as town or as scum. She has NEVER lurked this much before. In past games, she contributes less as town than as scum, so I'm inclined to think that NO participation is more a town-tell than a scum-tell, although not strong either way.
But blackcatcontract, on the other hand, hasn't posted in this thread (or on site) for 10 days. The fact that he responded to Yaw means that he IS coming back to the site, but without posting anywhere. I don't know why a townie would do this. If there aren't other games bringing bcc back, it has to be this one, and if it's THIS game bringing him back to the site, why hasn't he posted in it for the last 10 days?-
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Erm, no i didnt. Wtf are you guys smoking?? *cries*Zachrulez wrote:
lol... did he seriously try to pass off that Ceph was town in that game?GIEFF wrote:
Cephrir was scum in that game.Battle Mage wrote:Actually, Zach's example looks good. That's about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town, although there was a bit of inactivity mingled in the middle.
Unvote, Vote: Zach
I dont see your value to the game if you arent going to read, and are merely going to ride Gieff's coattails all game.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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I dont see the relevance of the post you quoted. And you dont need to patronise me. I'm well aware that i'm right. Usually am.GIEFF wrote:Battle Mage wrote:Taking the assumption Alex is scum (which is the assumption i am making if i want him lynched), Mastin is almost certainly town. Of course, if Alex turns out to be town, this condition is no longer met, and Mastin can be looked at again.
But you're right, BM, you later said that you didn't think his lurking was scummy, and saw him taking pressure for it in other games.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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GIEFF Internet Superstar
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Battle Mage - it really looked like you were saying Ceph was town. Zach wasn't and hasn't been riding my coattails at all.
You said Zach's example looks good, as if it reinforced your point. You said that level of activity (i.e. high) is about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town. Do you see why it looks like you were assuming Cephrir was town?
Can you explain what you meant by your quote, and why we should have known you were assuming Cephrir-scum?-
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did you take a look at Freelancer? Thought not.GIEFF wrote:This is simple.
Cephrir's play does not fit her play as town or as scum. She has NEVER lurked this much before. In past games, she contributes less as town than as scum, so I'm inclined to think that NO participation is more a town-tell than a scum-tell, although not strong either way.
How many other games is he in?Gieff wrote: But blackcatcontract, on the other hand, hasn't posted in this thread (or on site) for 10 days. The fact that he responded to Yaw means that he IS coming back to the site, but without posting anywhere. I don't know why a townie would do this. If there aren't other games bringing bcc back, it has to be this one, and if it's THIS game bringing him back to the site, why hasn't he posted in it for the last 10 days?
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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Hilarious.Battle Mage wrote:
Erm, no i didnt. Wtf are you guys smoking?? *cries*Zachrulez wrote:
lol... did he seriously try to pass off that Ceph was town in that game?GIEFF wrote:
Cephrir was scum in that game.Battle Mage wrote:Actually, Zach's example looks good. That's about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town, although there was a bit of inactivity mingled in the middle.
Unvote, Vote: Zach
I dont see your value to the game if you arent going to read, and are merely going to ride Gieff's coattails all game.
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I was pointing out to Ben that Zach's counterexample was valid. But it doesnt sway me much from the insurmountable evidence suggesting Cephrir is scum. Or at least, scummier than BCC.GIEFF wrote:Battle Mage - it really looked like you were saying Ceph was town. Zach wasn't and hasn't been riding my coattails at all.
You said Zach's example looks good, as if it reinforced your point. You said that level of activity (i.e. high) is about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town. Do you see why it looks like you were assuming Cephrir was town?
Can you explain what you meant by your quote, and why we should have known you were assuming Cephrir-scum?
Ya know, despite me making a tit of myself about 20 or so pages ago, it would be awful nice if you didnt treat me like an idiot.
Please also assume that i'm being objective, because thats what im going for. Dont automatically assume that everything i say, is something to further my own Anti-Town goals. -.-
If you dont know what i mean by something- ASK.
Regarding Zach, i suggest you look closer at the post of his where he trusts your judgement on me 100%, without even attempting to look for himself. Seems to me, like he knows you are town. Why else would he blindly follow something just because you said it. It makes me angry.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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GIEFF Internet Superstar
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I did ask, BM, and I'm not being condescending. I don't see this insurmountable evidence you're talking about, and I don't see why you are ignoring the fact that bcc came back to the site to respond to Yaw, but not for ANY OTHER PURPOSE, as he's in no other games. Or the fact that his predecessor also lurked and replaced out.
Does anybody know if he has an alt?
I will look into Zach and his trust of me about you, Battle Mage. He's claimed to find me scummy all game, so if he takes what I say about you at face value, that seems a bit odd.-
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What the hell are you talking about?Battle Mage wrote:
Regarding Zach, i suggest you look closer at the post of his where he trusts your judgement on me 100%, without even attempting to look for himself. Seems to me, like he knows you are town. Why else would he blindly follow something just because you said it. It makes me angry.
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It's unbelievable how full of shit you are.-
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Protown Cult-Recruit.GIEFF wrote:bcc is in ZERO other games, AFAIK.
What alignment was Cephrir in Freelancer?
Pretty sure ive said this twice already, but hey-ho.
Basically, Cephrir's participation was relatively normal until recruited by me, at which point, he petered out.
I will note for clarity, that whilst we were a protown cult, the scum was already mostly dead by this time, and we were focussed on fulfilling the other aspect of our win condition- Gaining a majority within the town. AKA, the typical scum win condition.
Now, it's painfully obvious that as soon as his win condition changed, Cephrir didnt bother posting any more, because he knew that survival was all that was necessary.
Just like he is doing here. Cept, we dont have protown cults. We have vanillas and scum.
Hence, Cephrir is scum.
Regarding BCC, maybe he intends to come back but cant get into the reread. Seems reasonable if he genuinely has no other site commitments. I played mafia on another site once, and with 1 game there, i didnt feel quite the lure that i do here, with several.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Lol, i know! It's been a long time coming as wellZachrulez wrote:
Hilarious.Battle Mage wrote:
Erm, no i didnt. Wtf are you guys smoking?? *cries*Zachrulez wrote:
lol... did he seriously try to pass off that Ceph was town in that game?GIEFF wrote:
Cephrir was scum in that game.Battle Mage wrote:Actually, Zach's example looks good. That's about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town, although there was a bit of inactivity mingled in the middle.
Unvote, Vote: Zach
I dont see your value to the game if you arent going to read, and are merely going to ride Gieff's coattails all game.
BM
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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I can take your meta on Ceph on board, but it'd be awfully good if you could look at mine too. Just to get a better perspective.Zachrulez wrote:Just for anyone that will have trouble catching up. Battlemage is voting me for a misunderstanding that he caused.
Also, meta isn't everything, but meta, along with my reasoning on Kai earlier and my gut feeling, is why I support lynching BCC over Cephrir.
And dont blatantly misrep me. I'd like to think most people here are going to read themselves, and see why i am voting for you.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Lol, you're starting to remind me of someone... xDZachrulez wrote:
What the hell are you talking about?Battle Mage wrote:
Regarding Zach, i suggest you look closer at the post of his where he trusts your judgement on me 100%, without even attempting to look for himself. Seems to me, like he knows you are town. Why else would he blindly follow something just because you said it. It makes me angry.
BM
It's unbelievable how full of shit you are.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Seems to me like you just assumed i had misunderstood. But this doesnt really matter now.GIEFF wrote:I did ask,
Frankly, that means absolutely nothing. His ties to the site are weak, so he might pick up a pm (i believe some people get notification by email), but not have the time or inclination to actually take the plunge. I've been there, and i can relate to that.Gieff wrote: BM, and I'm not being condescending. I don't see this insurmountable evidence you're talking about, and I don't see why you are ignoring the fact that bcc came back to the site to respond to Yaw, but not for ANY OTHER PURPOSE, as he's in no other games. Or the fact that his predecessor also lurked and replaced out.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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And you didn't answer the question.Battle Mage wrote:
Lol, you're starting to remind me of someone... xDZachrulez wrote:
What the hell are you talking about?Battle Mage wrote:
Regarding Zach, i suggest you look closer at the post of his where he trusts your judgement on me 100%, without even attempting to look for himself. Seems to me, like he knows you are town. Why else would he blindly follow something just because you said it. It makes me angry.
BM
It's unbelievable how full of shit you are.
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You're just conjuring actions that don't exist out of thin air.-
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there was really no need for an iso read. lol
Ok, dinner time. Will cya in a bit!
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:24 pm
Open 155 Jugnle RepublicCephrir wrote:Only 6 votes? Pah!
Vote: Mastin
It actually might be in the town's best interest to lynch him, lol. I know I for one will be a lot less likely to lurk if he's gone early DX
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:43 pm
Our game:Cephrir wrote:zzzzz(was a long one)zzzz
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: 5
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: 4Cephrir wrote:Present. Unexpectedly limited access these past few days, should be all set tomorrow but then again I said tomorrow once and was totally wrong so who knows.
So she hasn’t posted here in 9 days. Two posts in a total of 14 days. Yet has posted more recently on other threads. String this chic up.Cephrir wrote:Whoops, forgot, prodded. Reading a thread with Mastin in it has literally given me a headache, I'll finish tomorrow.-
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....Battle Mage wrote:*facepalm*
Post 1398. Keeps up guys! :P
BM
You asked if he was going to ride my coattails "all game," which implies a pattern of behavior, so I looked to find this pattern, and it didn't exist.
As I asked before, don't you see why your post made it look like you assumed Cephrir was scum? I thought you just made an honest mistake. Re-read it from an outsider's perspective.-
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Note the bottom line. My stance hasn't changed.Zachrulez wrote:I'm still not convinced Alexhans is scum Gieff.
I'm curious to know what you think about Battlemage's resistance toward lynching BCC. Especially after stating a desire to focus on me and Jammer after a Cephrir lurker lynch. (Which seems to imply he would due this if BCC continued to lurk.)
Unvote: Vote: blackcatcontract
It looks like the preferred lynch is Cephrir. I still prefer BCC and think we should consider lynching both if they refuse to participate or be replaced.
I'm willing to switch to Cephrir if necessary, but I will note I don't like Battlemage's selectiveness here.-
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you didnt interpret it at all. You just took his response, and assumed he was correct.Zachrulez wrote:
You fail.Battle Mage wrote:*facepalm*
Post 1398. Keeps up guys!
BM
A badly worded post that I interpreted the same way as Gieff after he pointed it out means nothing.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%
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