Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[GIEFF]

This is simple.

Cephrir's play does not fit her play as town or as scum. She has NEVER lurked this much before. In past games, she contributes less as town than as scum, so I'm inclined to think that NO participation is more a town-tell than a scum-tell, although not strong either way.

But blackcatcontract, on the other hand, hasn't posted in this thread (or on site) for 10 days. The fact that he responded to Yaw means that he IS coming back to the site, but without posting anywhere. I don't know why a townie would do this. If there aren't other games bringing bcc back, it has to be this one, and if it's THIS game bringing him back to the site, why hasn't he posted in it for the last 10 days?

[Battle Mage]

Actually, Zach's example looks good. That's about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town, although there was a bit of inactivity mingled in the middle.

Cephrir was scum in that game.

lol... did he seriously try to pass off that Ceph was town in that game?

Erm, no i didnt. Wtf are you guys smoking?? *cries*

Unvote, Vote: Zach

I dont see your value to the game if you arent going to read, and are merely going to ride Gieff's coattails all game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Taking the assumption Alex is scum (which is the assumption i am making if i want him lynched), Mastin is almost certainly town. Of course, if Alex turns out to be town, this condition is no longer met, and Mastin can be looked at again.

But you're right, BM, you later said that you didn't think his lurking was scummy, and saw him taking pressure for it in other games.

I dont see the relevance of the post you quoted. And you dont need to patronise me. I'm well aware that i'm right. Usually am.

BM

[GIEFF]

Battle Mage - it really looked like you were saying Ceph was town. Zach wasn't and hasn't been riding my coattails at all.

You said Zach's example looks good, as if it reinforced your point. You said that level of activity (i.e. high) is about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town. Do you see why it looks like you were assuming Cephrir was town?

Can you explain what you meant by your quote, and why we should have known you were assuming Cephrir-scum?

[Battle Mage]

This is simple.

Cephrir's play does not fit her play as town or as scum. She has NEVER lurked this much before. In past games, she contributes less as town than as scum, so I'm inclined to think that NO participation is more a town-tell than a scum-tell, although not strong either way.

did you take a look at Freelancer? Thought not.

But blackcatcontract, on the other hand, hasn't posted in this thread (or on site) for 10 days. The fact that he responded to Yaw means that he IS coming back to the site, but without posting anywhere. I don't know why a townie would do this. If there aren't other games bringing bcc back, it has to be this one, and if it's THIS game bringing him back to the site, why hasn't he posted in it for the last 10 days?

How many other games is he in?

BM

[Zachrulez]

Actually, Zach's example looks good. That's about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town, although there was a bit of inactivity mingled in the middle.

Cephrir was scum in that game.

lol... did he seriously try to pass off that Ceph was town in that game?

Erm, no i didnt. Wtf are you guys smoking?? *cries*

Unvote, Vote: Zach

I dont see your value to the game if you arent going to read, and are merely going to ride Gieff's coattails all game.

BM

Hilarious.

[GIEFF]

bcc is in ZERO other games, AFAIK.

What alignment was Cephrir in Freelancer?

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage - it really looked like you were saying Ceph was town. Zach wasn't and hasn't been riding my coattails at all.

You said Zach's example looks good, as if it reinforced your point. You said that level of activity (i.e. high) is about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town. Do you see why it looks like you were assuming Cephrir was town?

Can you explain what you meant by your quote, and why we should have known you were assuming Cephrir-scum?

I was pointing out to Ben that Zach's counterexample was valid. But it doesnt sway me much from the insurmountable evidence suggesting Cephrir is scum. Or at least, scummier than BCC.

Ya know, despite me making a tit of myself about 20 or so pages ago, it would be awful nice if you didnt treat me like an idiot.
Please also assume that i'm being objective, because thats what im going for. Dont automatically assume that everything i say, is something to further my own Anti-Town goals. -.-

If you dont know what i mean by something- ASK.

Regarding Zach, i suggest you look closer at the post of his where he trusts your judgement on me 100%, without even attempting to look for himself. Seems to me, like he knows you are town. Why else would he blindly follow something just because you said it. It makes me angry.

BM

[Zachrulez]

Just for anyone that will have trouble catching up. Battlemage is voting me for a misunderstanding that he caused.

Also, meta isn't everything, but meta, along with my reasoning on Kai earlier and my gut feeling, is why I support lynching BCC over Cephrir.

[GIEFF]

I did ask, BM, and I'm not being condescending. I don't see this insurmountable evidence you're talking about, and I don't see why you are ignoring the fact that bcc came back to the site to respond to Yaw, but not for ANY OTHER PURPOSE, as he's in no other games. Or the fact that his predecessor also lurked and replaced out.

Does anybody know if he has an alt?



I will look into Zach and his trust of me about you, Battle Mage. He's claimed to find me scummy all game, so if he takes what I say about you at face value, that seems a bit odd.

[Zachrulez]

Regarding Zach, i suggest you look closer at the post of his where he trusts your judgement on me 100%, without even attempting to look for himself. Seems to me, like he knows you are town. Why else would he blindly follow something just because you said it. It makes me angry.

BM

What the hell are you talking about?

It's unbelievable how full of shit you are.

[Battle Mage]

bcc is in ZERO other games, AFAIK.

What alignment was Cephrir in Freelancer?

Protown Cult-Recruit.

Pretty sure ive said this twice already, but hey-ho.

Basically, Cephrir's participation was relatively normal until recruited by me, at which point, he petered out.

I will note for clarity, that whilst we were a protown cult, the scum was already mostly dead by this time, and we were focussed on fulfilling the other aspect of our win condition- Gaining a majority within the town. AKA, the typical scum win condition.

Now, it's painfully obvious that as soon as his win condition changed, Cephrir didnt bother posting any more, because he knew that survival was all that was necessary.

Just like he is doing here. Cept, we dont have protown cults. We have vanillas and scum.

Hence, Cephrir is scum.

Regarding BCC, maybe he intends to come back but cant get into the reread. Seems reasonable if he genuinely has no other site commitments. I played mafia on another site once, and with 1 game there, i didnt feel quite the lure that i do here, with several.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Actually, Zach's example looks good. That's about the level of participation we normally see from Cephrir-town, although there was a bit of inactivity mingled in the middle.

Cephrir was scum in that game.

lol... did he seriously try to pass off that Ceph was town in that game?

Erm, no i didnt. Wtf are you guys smoking?? *cries*

Unvote, Vote: Zach

I dont see your value to the game if you arent going to read, and are merely going to ride Gieff's coattails all game.

BM

Hilarious.

Lol, i know! It's been a long time coming as well

BM

[Battle Mage]

Just for anyone that will have trouble catching up. Battlemage is voting me for a misunderstanding that he caused.

Also, meta isn't everything, but meta, along with my reasoning on Kai earlier and my gut feeling, is why I support lynching BCC over Cephrir.

I can take your meta on Ceph on board, but it'd be awfully good if you could look at mine too. Just to get a better perspective.

And dont blatantly misrep me. I'd like to think most people here are going to read themselves, and see why i am voting for you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Regarding Zach, i suggest you look closer at the post of his where he trusts your judgement on me 100%, without even attempting to look for himself. Seems to me, like he knows you are town. Why else would he blindly follow something just because you said it. It makes me angry.

BM

What the hell are you talking about?

It's unbelievable how full of shit you are.

Lol, you're starting to remind me of someone... xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

I did ask,

Seems to me like you just assumed i had misunderstood. But this doesnt really matter now.

BM, and I'm not being condescending. I don't see this insurmountable evidence you're talking about, and I don't see why you are ignoring the fact that bcc came back to the site to respond to Yaw, but not for ANY OTHER PURPOSE, as he's in no other games. Or the fact that his predecessor also lurked and replaced out.

Frankly, that means absolutely nothing. His ties to the site are weak, so he might pick up a pm (i believe some people get notification by email), but not have the time or inclination to actually take the plunge. I've been there, and i can relate to that.

BM

[Zachrulez]

Regarding Zach, i suggest you look closer at the post of his where he trusts your judgement on me 100%, without even attempting to look for himself. Seems to me, like he knows you are town. Why else would he blindly follow something just because you said it. It makes me angry.

BM

What the hell are you talking about?

It's unbelievable how full of shit you are.

Lol, you're starting to remind me of someone... xD

BM

And you didn't answer the question.

You're just conjuring actions that don't exist out of thin air.

[GIEFF]

Battle Mage, I skimmed all of Zach's iso, and don't see him riding my coattails at all or trusting my judgment of you 100%. What were you referring to?

[Battle Mage]

*facepalm*

Post 1398. Keeps up guys!

BM

[Battle Mage]

there was really no need for an iso read. lol

Ok, dinner time. Will cya in a bit!

xxx

[Benmage]

Stars aligned last post:
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:24 pm

Only 6 votes? Pah!

Vote: Mastin

It actually might be in the town's best interest to lynch him, lol. I know I for one will be a lot less likely to lurk if he's gone early DX

Open 155 Jugnle Republic
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:43 pm

zzzzz(was a long one)zzzz

Our game:
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: 5

Present. Unexpectedly limited access these past few days, should be all set tomorrow but then again I said tomorrow once and was totally wrong so who knows.

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: 4

Whoops, forgot, prodded. Reading a thread with Mastin in it has literally given me a headache, I'll finish tomorrow.

So she hasn’t posted here in 9 days. Two posts in a total of 14 days. Yet has posted more recently on other threads. String this chic up.

[Zachrulez]

*facepalm*

Post 1398. Keeps up guys!

BM

You fail.

A badly worded post that I interpreted the same way as Gieff after he pointed it out means nothing.

[GIEFF]

*facepalm*

Post 1398. Keeps up guys! :P

BM

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You asked if he was going to ride my coattails "all game," which implies a pattern of behavior, so I looked to find this pattern, and it didn't exist.

As I asked before, don't you see why your post made it look like you assumed Cephrir was scum? I thought you just made an honest mistake. Re-read it from an outsider's perspective.

[Zachrulez]

I'm still not convinced Alexhans is scum Gieff.

I'm curious to know what you think about Battlemage's resistance toward lynching BCC. Especially after stating a desire to focus on me and Jammer after a Cephrir lurker lynch. (Which seems to imply he would due this if BCC continued to lurk.)

Unvote: Vote: blackcatcontract

It looks like the preferred lynch is Cephrir. I still prefer BCC and think we should consider lynching both if they refuse to participate or be replaced.

I'm willing to switch to Cephrir if necessary, but I will note I don't like Battlemage's selectiveness here.

Note the bottom line. My stance hasn't changed.

[Battle Mage]

*facepalm*

Post 1398. Keeps up guys!

BM

You fail.

A badly worded post that I interpreted the same way as Gieff after he pointed it out means nothing.

you didnt interpret it at all. You just took his response, and assumed he was correct.

BM