Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Battousai]

and again.

[Iecerint]

Are people ignoring Mastin because of his meta, or because they don't think he's done anything anti-town?

[Gregory]

@Dr.House Guy

- Please explain how faking a post restriction would benefit scum ASIDE from being an excuse to post less, which I am clearly not doing.

does it need to be more? I've talked with some guys about it some time ago, and they agreed, that such a claim mostly helps scum.

I assure that if Ninja-Guy had not asked, the post restriction would still apply. I understand that isn't going to do much to convince you, but frankly, I really can't see why you think it's fake and/or a sign of scumminess.

yeah, I get that, But there was a possibility you wouldn't have noticed.

Batousai, why did you ask him? Maybe he would have read over the thing and did post a name, or just didn't the whole game. That would have told us a lot about the restriction. By asking him, he could not forget the point.

I've played with mole before. If he fakes the restriction to lurk, I would know. Plus it gives him a chance to explain it.

bat, he's got no chance anymore. Because his processor didn't use our names, he can't too. If he does, we know mafiaman must have lied then., wich meens he's scum.

Now reached the end of P23. So from what I've seen up 'til here,

Vote: Dr.House-Guy

- I don't like your wishy-washiness.

sure, I've attacked 2 guys, tried to give opinion about most thing, not yet changed my opinion, so I'm wishy-washy. cool.

- I don't like his gunning at Ninja-guy for moving to a "suspicious" room.

Am I not allowed to ask questions. when I don't understand an action, I ask that person about it. Is that wrong? I didn't vote him, I didn't Fos him, please tell me what I did wrong.

Blatant buddying with Avatar-bet-guy.

are you freaking serious??? My first suspicions were of KMD with Myko. told that. Than KMD says : greg is obv town. so I'm buddying up???

This vote is also pending his response to my post restriction question, and of course pending his response to these reasons for voting.

so, pure omgus

Are people ignoring Mastin because of his meta, or because they don't think he's done anything anti-town?

his logic flaws, but I don't start discussing that, because it would be totally useless.

[molestargazer]

does it need to be more? I've talked with some guys about it some time ago, and they agreed, that such a claim mostly helps scum.

Please tell me which 'guys' you talked to about it, and tell me the reasons for why such a claim helps scum.

yeah, I get that, But there was a possibility you wouldn't have noticed.

Point accepted. I can't convince you either way now, I've made my point, I'll drop it.

sure, I've attacked 2 guys, tried to give opinion about most thing, not yet changed my opinion, so I'm wishy-washy. cool.

Did you even read the posts I quoted? You gave one opinion, then gave the other side of it. You took no solid position.

Am I not allowed to ask questions. when I don't understand an action, I ask that person about it. Is that wrong? I didn't vote him, I didn't Fos him, please tell me what I did wrong.

Of course you're allowed to ask questions. I wasn't attacking you for making a question.
HOW is a ROOM "suspicious"?

are you freaking serious??? My first suspicions were of KMD with Myko. told that. Than KMD says : greg is obv town. so I'm buddying up???

I am serious.
I didn't look at your first suspicions. I looked at those pages. You seemed to be agreeing with each other an awful lot.

so, pure omgus

Have you voted for me? NO.
I gave REASONS for my voting for you, most of which were nothing to do with your suspicion about my post restriction. OMGUS has nothing to do with it. In the pages I've read so far, you look scummy.

[molestargazer]

@Avatar-bet-guy

- *sigh*
You lost ANOTHER bet?

Also, you still haven't answered the question. Please do so.

[Gregory]

what question?

[Gregory]

does it need to be more? I've talked with some guys about it some time ago, and they agreed, that such a claim mostly helps scum.

Please tell me which 'guys' you talked to about it, and tell me the reasons for why such a claim helps scum.

charnel/Myko, Nureins. The guy has a reason to hide behind when people accuse himher of lurking. and there are people who think that when someone has got a restriction, he/she can't be scum.

sure, I've attacked 2 guys, tried to give opinion about most thing, not yet changed my opinion, so I'm wishy-washy. cool.

Did you even read the posts I quoted? You gave one opinion, then gave the other side of it. You took no solid position.

nah, you gotta read.
1 This was my rereadpost. I read something, didn't agree, and read a couple of pages later the situation had changed. So I said something like, forget last thing.
2 I said Myk's vote looked like omgus. I also said Phily should calm down. Phily looked really angry. The calm down thing had nothing to do with the case. If you find it scummy to try to get a nice, friendly game, please tell me, and I'll ignore you

Am I not allowed to ask questions. when I don't understand an action, I ask that person about it. Is that wrong? I didn't vote him, I didn't Fos him, please tell me what I did wrong.

Of course you're allowed to ask questions. I wasn't attacking you for making a question.
HOW is a ROOM "suspicious"?

IT IS FULL OF WEAPONS. Maybe scum can get their weapon to nightkill. Maybe one of us becomes vig. Statistically, vigs kill more townies then scum. I don't like a game in wich are 3 kill a day. possibly 3 townies.

are you freaking serious??? My first suspicions were of KMD with Myko. told that. Than KMD says : greg is obv town. so I'm buddying up???

I am serious.
I didn't look at your first suspicions. I looked at those pages. You seemed to be agreeing with each other an awful lot.

I must have missed that.

so, pure omgus

Have you voted for me? NO.
I gave REASONS for my voting for you, most of which were nothing to do with your suspicion about my post restriction. OMGUS has nothing to do with it. In the pages I've read so far, you look scummy.

you started investigating me because I attacked you and mm about the restriction. Have you infestigated every guy here like you have done with me? I don't think so, because I haven't posted that much, while you were able to write a lot of stuff about me, and I had the feeling some people were missing in that story. So, why me? I can think of only one thing. The attack on you. Voting someone because he attacks you is omgus.

you can say what you want, but if I hadn't talked about the restriction, you wouln't have voted my (yet)

[molestargazer]

what question?

Regarding why he didn't open a door. See the previous page.

charnel/Myko, Nureins. The guy has a reason to hide behind when people accuse himher of lurking. and there are people who think that when someone has got a restriction, he/she can't be scum.

The guy who I replaced may have used this restriction as an excuse, yes, that is a scummy behaviour. I, however, am not doing. If I ever use this restriction as an excuse for lurking feel free to lynch me.
Those people are evidently either misguided or Long-post-guy.

nah, you gotta read.
1 This was my rereadpost. I read something, didn't agree, and read a couple of pages later the situation had changed. So I said something like, forget last thing.
2 I said Myk's vote looked like omgus. I also said Phily should calm down. Phily looked really angry. The calm down thing had nothing to do with the case. If you find it scummy to try to get a nice, friendly game, please tell me, and I'll ignore you

1. So why bothing posting it if you realise you were wrong? Just seems like trying to fluff out your posts without actually posting any content.
2. Understood. Of course I don't want a hostile game.

IT IS FULL OF WEAPONS. Maybe scum can get their weapon to nightkill. Maybe one of us becomes vig. Statistically, vigs kill more townies then scum. I don't like a game in wich are 3 kill a day. possibly 3 townies.

I must've missed that. My bad.

you started investigating me because I attacked you and mm about the restriction. Have you infestigated every guy here like you have done with me? I don't think so, because I haven't posted that much, while you were able to write a lot of stuff about me, and I had the feeling some people were missing in that story. So, why me? I can think of only one thing. The attack on you. Voting someone because he attacks you is omgus.

- No, I was rereading and your posts caught my eye. I never said I started investigating you because of that, and it was indeed only a sidepoint. Please stop strawmanning.
- No, I haven't. That's because I read your posts that looked scummy whilst catching up. Attacking you doesn't make me scummy.
- BECAUSE THE POSTS I READ CATCHING UP LOOKED SCUMMY. As I have already explained.

you can say what you want, but if I hadn't talked about the restriction, you wouln't have voted my (yet)

No, I would have FoSed you, and perhaps voted for you at the end of the analysis if nothing scummier came up.
Thinking that you are wrong about your feelings Re:Post Restriction and voting you for it doesn't make it OMGUS.

[Gregory]

1. So why bothing posting it if you realise you were wrong? Just seems like trying to fluff out your posts without actually posting any content.

got a point there. It wasn't really necesarry, unless KMD tried to get town to a wrong decision.

you started investigating me because I attacked you and mm about the restriction. Have you infestigated every guy here like you have done with me? I don't think so, because I haven't posted that much, while you were able to write a lot of stuff about me, and I had the feeling some people were missing in that story. So, why me? I can think of only one thing. The attack on you. Voting someone because he attacks you is omgus.

- No, I was rereading and your posts caught my eye. I never said I started investigating you because of that, and it was indeed only a sidepoint. Please stop strawmanning.
- No, I haven't. That's because I read your posts that looked scummy whilst catching up. Attacking you doesn't make me scummy.
- BECAUSE THE POSTS I READ CATCHING UP LOOKED SCUMMY. As I have already explained.

ok, but isn't it a little bit odd some persons are missing in your summary, especially tenchi, as there were a couple of guys who wanted to see him dead. to Me, this looked like a "hey, what has gregory done, and the guys who could be connected to him" post

btw, I don't think you're a lurker

[molestargazer]

ok, but isn't it a little bit odd some persons are missing in your summary, especially glasses-guy, as there were a couple of guys who wanted to see him dead. to Me, this looked like a "hey, what has Dr.House-guy done, and the guys who could be connected to him" post

Either I've missed Glasses-guy's scummy posting, for which I apologise, or I've not reached it yet. I did only start reading at P15 - was it before then?

I assure you I was just pointing out what I saw. If I see something, regardless of who, I'll point it out. Your posting just around the recent area that I read just seemed to stand out.

Final question. Do you still think I have lied about my post restriction, and do you think that either answer you give makes me more scummy?

[ZazieR]

1) Kmd4390 (2) - Mastin, Molestargazer

3) Mastin (1) - Iecerint
4) don_johnson (1) - Kmd4390
5) Looker
6) Iecerint
7) Molestargazer (2) - Battousai, Don_johnson
9) Tenchi
10) PhilyEc
11) Battousai
12) Gregory (1) - Looker

Not voting (3) - Tenchi, PhilyEc, Gregory

With 10 players alive, you''ll need 6 votes to lynch.
Green indicates closest to lynch.
Molestargazer''s vote hasn''t been counted as he didn''t unvote first.

Room 1: Male Restroom
Room 2: Female Restroom
Room 3: Library - Mastin, Iecerint
Room 4: Hospital Room

Room 5: ???

Room 6: Dark Room
Room 7: Storage Room - Don_johnson
Room 8: Great Hall
Room 9: Bedroom
Room 10: Empty Room

Room 11: ???

Room 12: Crime Scene Room
Room 13: Exit Room

Room 14: ???
Room 15: ???
Room 16: ???

Black means that that the door is open.
Red means that the door is closed.
Room 14 is in darkred, as it's its door in a different room, which got locked by Iecerint. So nobody, except for Iecerint (who can't use his barcode on it) can get to this door. So nobody can open this door until Iecrint unlocks his door.
Then there's purple. Room 7 also had an extra door in it. This one was opened by Mykonian. As Mykonian didn't leave this room when PhilyEc closed Room 7 and as Mykonian's door isn't locked, both Mykonian and PhilyEc can still move between these two rooms.

Corridor - Kmd4390, Looker, Molestargazer, Tenchi, PhilyEc, Battousai, Gregory

NOTE: When you open a room, you''ll automatically enter it.

[Battousai]

and there are people who think that when someone has got a restriction, he/she can't be scum.

And this would only apply if the person got the restriction in their PM, and not by a game mechanic...

Mod: Can we get a prod on Tenchi if one hasn't already been done?

Unvote
Vote: Tenchi

from my case yesterday.

[Kmd4390]

Molest, this avatar actually didn't come from a bet.

Guys, what is the case on Molest?

[don_johnson]

he's molest. case closed.

[dj enters corridor]
[dj enters room 12]
[dj closes door]

[Gregory]

Molest, this avatar actually didn't come from a bet.

Guys, what is the case on Molest?

nothing much, only the scummy behaviour of mafiaman, I think. Molest himself seems pretty clean to me.

[Gregory]

mod, I'm on vacation saturday next week until the saturday after that

[Mastin]

Iece: Why the hanging around in the Library?

Thinking an Iece-Greg-KMD pair could be possible.

[Kmd4390]

Mastin, am I really the kind of player who would call my scumbuddy obvtown?

[Mastin]

...You called one of 'em Obv.town?

Also, yea, Medieval Mafia had an example of it.

[Iecerint]

A character found a clue in the library in the source material. Kre's death flavor may also imply it may be used for some players' investigations. It seems like as decent a place to hang out as any. It's certainly more likely to prompt a game mechanic event than hanging out in the corridor.

Do you really think I'm scummy for being in the Library?

I agree that Kmd looks scummy. He basically tunneled on myko all day for silly reasons (initially) and was incorrect -- plus some weird Kre accusations for good measure. The Tenchi case was reasonable, but 2/3 isn't great. He spent most of today bantering with you about his notoriety (or something). That said, I think you're a better lynch due to the behavior of your predecessors (lurk to replacement), your anti-town decision to lock the Library, your half of the banter with Kmd, and your unreliable meta.

[Kmd4390]

Oh, I didn't say "obvtown" looking back. Just this:

k, Gregory is town.

And about Medeival, that was because everyone else was calling Rogue obvtown and I could get away with it. I'm the first to mention Gregory as being obvtown.

[Iecerint]

^ Yep, Kmd called Greg obvtown. Batt and I got upset because Greg hadn't yet done anything particularly remarkable at that time.

[Kmd4390]

Iec, I didn't tunnel on Myko. I also went after Kreriov and Tenchi. And mentioned Phily as being scummy.

[Iecerint]

Of the 6 other than myself who voted Myko, Mastin and Gregory were obvtown yesterday. Batt was pretty townie. Looker was pretty townie. Let's lynch either Phily or Don.

I'd misremembered the first time you called Greg town as "obvtown," too, Kmd, but you did explicitly call him obvtown above.

Your tunnel on myko is most egregious early in the game (e.g. before the shouting match with Phily), when it was based only on the RVS comment to Looker. It's true that you went after Kre a bit, but I never found that case very credible. You didn't go after Tenchi as much, either, though probably more because he was lurking/V/LA than anything else. I'd forgotten about Phily; I can recall you saying that he was your backup in case one of myko/Tenchi/Kre was incorrect. Did your case on Phily ever go beyond that? I can't recall.

[Kmd4390]

Oh, I forgot about that. So I did use the term obvtown. Just not where I thought I did.

I still don't see tunneling in that. If I remember right, it's Tenchi that I was going after in the early game, even if I was voting Myko.

Phily was scummy, and I acknowledged that, but no, I didn't really push too hard.