Stars Aligned - GAME OVER

[Datadanne]

Unvote, Vote: Erikthered

You will have to give more reasoning then that.

Zwet's at, what, L-12 or so? Yes, I hope the scum don't pile on for a quicklynch when there's no reason for this wagon. /sarcasm

I don't expect to see him lynched just for this (though I'd be pleased for nailing a scum), but if you'd just pay attention to how he's reacting, you would be able to guess that he's going to slip more and more as it builds.

You want zwet to slip?! -.-

[EriktheRed]

Unvote, Vote: Erikthered

You will have to give more reasoning then that.

Zwet's at, what, L-12 or so? Yes, I hope the scum don't pile on for a quicklynch when there's no reason for this wagon. /sarcasm

I don't expect to see him lynched just for this (though I'd be pleased for nailing a scum), but if you'd just pay attention to how he's reacting, you would be able to guess that he's going to slip more and more as it builds.

You want zwet to slip?! -.-

Um, I'm not exactly sure how to react to such a useless question. Yes, that would be amazing.

[Datadanne]

Unvote, Vote: Erikthered

You will have to give more reasoning then that.

Zwet's at, what, L-12 or so? Yes, I hope the scum don't pile on for a quicklynch when there's no reason for this wagon. /sarcasm

I don't expect to see him lynched just for this (though I'd be pleased for nailing a scum), but if you'd just pay attention to how he's reacting, you would be able to guess that he's going to slip more and more as it builds.

You want zwet to slip?! -.-

Um, I'm not exactly sure how to react to such a useless question. Yes, that would be amazing.

How dare you?!

[EriktheRed]

Um, I'm not exactly sure how to react to such a useless question. Yes, that would be amazing.

How dare you?!

How dare I what, exactly? Call a question I'd already answered useless, or want scum to slip so it'll be easier to get a good lynch today? Why are you defending Zwet like this? It's as if you don't want to see him lynched.

[Datadanne]

Why do you know he is scum?
Why do you think my post was useless?
What makes you think i am defending him?

[EriktheRed]

Why do you know he is scum?
Why do you think my post was useless?
What makes you think i am defending him?

1. I never said I know he is scum. I said I would like for scum to slip, and that I would like for Zwet to slip. Those are two separate hopes. Obviously, if Zwet is town, I wouldn't want him to slip.
2. Because you asked a question I had already answered.
3. Because you're arguing that he doesn't deserve my vote for just that slip, and voting me because of it, and... defending him.

[Datadanne]

Then, Why are you taking zwet as an example?

[EriktheRed]

An example of what, scum? Because he's the scummiest player I see. That's also why I'm voting for him.

[Datadanne]

To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge.

[EriktheRed]

To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge.

This is true. Are you trying to bait me into saying that I'm not ignorant, so you can call me on implying I'm certain he's scum and lynch me for that? I don't appreciate how you think I'd fall for something that obvious.

Zwet's not the scummiest player I see anymore.

Unvote

Vote: Datadanne

[Mastin]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 92#1795092

This. I've only had the ability to keep looking at certain games so far.

I'm 14 pages behind (Page Six) in this one, though, so I will settle for my browse-and-point-out-only-important-stuff method.

[Exalt]

MOD:

Can you please replace me?

I haven't had time for this game due to summer college finals etc. I apologize to everyone else

[chenhsi]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 92#1795092

This. I've only had the ability to keep looking at certain games so far.

I'm 14 pages behind (Page Six) in this one, though, so I will settle for my browse-and-point-out-only-important-stuff method.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12036
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=900

Yeah, I would believe you if you wasn't posting in finished games and MD.

Datadanne, WTH are you talking about? You are making no sense and posting almost nothing.

[EriktheRed]

Datadanne, WTH are you talking about? You are making no sense and posting almost nothing.

So, it's not just me confused by it? Great. I was trying my best to respond.

[zwetschenwasser]

Why do you know he is scum?
Why do you think my post was useless?
What makes you think i am defending him?

1. I never said I know he is scum. I said I would like for scum to slip, and that I would like for Zwet to slip. Those are two separate hopes. Obviously, if Zwet is town, I wouldn't want him to slip.
2. Because you asked a question I had already answered.
3. Because you're arguing that he doesn't deserve my vote for just that slip, and voting me because of it, and... defending him.

FYI, most of the times when I say something supposedly damning about myself it's usually because of nervousness, not scumminess. I've forgotten that I was a mason with a quicktopic before as town. Anyway, I don't see how you can call a technicality of emphatic word choice as a scumtell. I deal in absolutes to make my point, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I mean exactly what I say. It's a figure of speech.

[chenhsi]

What is your opinion on Datadanne, zwet?

[Sajin]

vote datadanne

So many posts and so useless and I can't help but to feel its smokescreen.

[ryan2754]

Sorry for the delay in posting.

In addition to the wedding, both my Uncle and my girlfriend's Uncle past away this past week. Been a hectic few days. Seeing as I am a replacement, and it's only 20 pages, I fully intend on a read tomorrow. Tonight has just not been a good night.

[ryan2754]

EBWOP: I HAVE replied to my other current games, but each of those games only had 2+ pages for me to read since I last visited and they were games I have been in from the start. I like to make a thorough read on my replacement games, and thus dedicate more time to it. Thus my reasoning for doing it tomorrow as well.

Just wanted to get it out there because I have actually been called scummy for making a post like 492, when also posting in my other games.

[sideney]

I'm a little busy at this time, so until i can re-read all i will

Unvote

[Datadanne]

My questions are not useless!

Sajin, Better reasons plz.

"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish."

[Mastin]

Really? Because it was mentioned at least twice already. Let me go look it up.

Like now, I was browsing. I didn't see it.

Now, considering that you started off with faking insanities, I have to say I don't find it believable that the idea of faking hearing noise hadn't crossed your mind.

Faking insanities is faking a mostly anti-town thing. It makes you look worse. Faking noise is faking something which makes you look more pro-town.
I honestly didn't think about it, really.

You are asserting that voting for someone who has claimed both scum and soon-to-be-SK is in itself scummy?

It is scummy because people are ignoring how it's a null tell, and I'm catching scum with it. I imagine half of the scum AT LEAST will be on my wagon already, and as it builds up, that becomes an even larger amount.

*twitch* (I have no intention of dropping this.)
Not liking Magua's attacks against me.

Like paranoia...

Heh. What an easy insanity for me to fake. 'Tis within my meta to do so, too!
But, nah. I can vote other people. Want me to prove it?

The claim was just ridicioulus and apparently a null-tell. I didn't like his self-vote though. Which was my initial reason for voting him.

Oh, that's interesting. You've got the backwards reaction of what I'd think. (Self-Vote-->Null, Claim-->Scummy.) Mind explaining why?

This is almost all true.
And of course nobody's clear. But those who heard noise were targeted by an anti-town faction, making it impossible for them to be whatever faction targeted them. Which is why I say we shouldn't be looking at those who heard noise, but those who didn't.

No Noise:
12Keyblade
chenhsi
Cephrir
Datadanne
DeathNote
EriktheRed
itacv2
JamesBond
jasonT1981
Magua
nhammen
Nyx
sideney
ZykeZero

The scum are in this group, in my opinion. Perhaps not all, but certainly most.

Sounds like OMGUS to me. Since no reasons were given not to vote for you prior to my voting.

'Cept the fact that I do this every game, it's a null tell, and that there was a huge bandwagon on me already.

Also, you say that you want to end the RVS. This is funny because there wasn't really an RVS before this.

Well, killed any attempt at a RVS, as well as got us scum hunting instead of that other type of conversation.

Congrats, you're the new DGB with monster posts.

I'm honored with this comparison, but if you're comparing DGB to me, then you're basically calling it null, in my opinion. The bolded vote is hard to miss--why?

Mastin, the biggest problem with your tactics is that you give the scum a reason to vote you while also giving town players reason to vote you.

You're half-right. It gives scum reason to vote me. They see something so anti-town, that they leap at the chance to lynch a scummy player who isn't scum, an easy mislynch. Because they think it looks pro-town to attack a player like me.

It's not.
A pro-town player realizes it's within my meta, and will defend me due to it, and will most likely ignore the RVS post of mine.

Murderers may have happened last night. There is nothing we as a town can do. Stop talking about it. Zwet is on the right track...let's avoid policy lynches and murderer discussion.

Unvote
Vote: Mastin

Odd, that you say no policy lynches...and then proceed to vote everyone's favorite policy lynch.

Hypocrite, much?

I'll comply with semioldguy's request to prove that I don't have that OMGUS insanity.

Mastin Unvotes: Whoever Mastin is Voting,
Mastin Votes: Semioldguy

. I'll take it off after this post, but it'll be enough to give ya evidence.

This is SUPER scummy.
-Nothing to discuss. (There is a lot.)
-Says that it's easier that way. (Nothing to discuss being easier-->Scum.)

Mastin - 9 (Tuberkulos, sideney, EriktheRed, Magua, ZykeZero, Nyx, Cephrir, Seraphim, Jason)

(Note: Added Jason, who voted immediately after that.) Okay. That's seriously, seriously wrong. Way, WAY too large of a bandwagon this early on in a game. There's no way that we don't have at least three, four, maybe even more scum. (25/4 = 6, rounded down. 1/4-->Good scum ratio. Stands to reason there are around six scum in a game of this size, which is why it is possible for more than four scum to be on my wagon.)

Also, James Bond is right.

Mastin Unvotes: Semioldguy

.
Let's put it back where it belongs, where my suspicions lie.

Mastin Votes: Nynx

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I don't like Zwets coaching Zyke. Reeks of scum coaching a newbie partner. Take a look at posts like This for proof. There are far more than that as well.

though I will say that his gambit of faking an insanity is 100% town.

Errm...WHAT?!?
Faking the insanity is TOWN?
You've been calling me scum the whole game, and you call faking the insanity TOWN?!?

You make me wish I would've stalked with posts like this. But, well, I didn't. :/

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Drench defends me, and then gets wagoned. Very scummy. Wagoning someone defending someone you think to be scum(my) instead of the person you think to be scum(my)-->Super scummy.

(Note: Scummy != Scum. Neither of the people doing it are on the no-noise list, meaning that they're more likely to be pro-town. It does look bad, though.)

*does a cross-reference*

12Keyblade, chenhsi, Cephrir, Datadanne, DeathNote, EriktheRed, itacv2, JamesBond, jasonT1981, Magua, nhammen, Nyx, sideney, ZykeZero.

Tuberkulos

, sideney, EriktheRed, Magua, ZykeZero, Nyx, Cephrir,

Seraphim

, Jason

So,
sidney, Erik, Magua, Zyke, Nyx, Cephir, and Jason all both
-Heard no noise
and
-Voted me, putting me at Nine votes.

I'm confident that within those seven, we'll find at least three scum, if not more.
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By the way, all the talk of someone murdering me as a one-shot vig:
Well, I heard noise last night. That means either
-I got F'd, cult target,
or
-I got stalked. Murderer target.
If the latter, I'll be dead tomorrow, anyway, due to a murderer who hates me.

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End page ten. Half way mark.
On to page eleven.

[Percy]

Vote Count

Mastin - 5 (ZykeZero, Nyx, Knight of Cydonia, Seraphim, ryan2754)

DeathNote - 4 (dramonic, Tuberkulos, DeathNote)
Drench - 3 (Exalt, Kise, Sarag)
Datadanne - 3 (Magua, EriktheRed, Sajin)
EriktheRed - 1 (Datadanne)
Nyx - 1 (Mastin)
ZykeZero - 1 (semioldguy)

Not Voting - 8 (arelian, chenhsi, Drench, JamesBond, nhammen, sideney, xxFabianxx, zwetschenwasser)

With 25 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline

:

Midday on Sunday the 16th of August AEST (9pm Saturday 15th site time)

.

Requested replacement

: xxFabianxx, Exalt.

V/LA

: Nyx, semioldguy.

Prodding

: Kise.

Due to the greater-than-expected amount of replacements that have arisen so far in this game, I have altered the rules regarding replacement and prodding to be more lenient.

[Sarag]

@Mod: Datadanne is voting for EriktheRed, not Deathnote.

Noted and fixed, thanks.

[Sarag]

GRAVE ROBBING:

I'd be surprised if zwetschenwasser was killed on night one by scum. He often isn't because he isn't extremely difficult to get a mislynch on in the event that he is town.

But why even take the risk?

I nominate Magua to rob the grave tonight, instead of zwet.

I'm also willing to do it myself if people aren't happy with Magua.

I am just saying we don't need to worry about the assigned robber dieing.

That's true. If the grave robber is killed, we still learn the alignment of the dead player. But we would lose any extra items they picked up from the corpse.

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MASTIN:

In case I didn't make myself clear earlier, I think Mastin committed a (rather dramatic) null-tell, and has since not given much reason to vote for him. I was curious to see his promised scum-hunting and now that I've seen his most recent post, he actually seems slightly town to me. There are a couple of things in that post I'd like to address though:

*twitch* (I have no intention of dropping this.)

It seems harmless enough for now, since we've seen that it IS fake. If you keep this up tomorrow, I will be suspicious. You could be doing this now to cover for an insanity you plan to pick up in the future.

I don't like Zwets coaching Zyke. Reeks of scum coaching a newbie partner. Take a look at posts like This for proof. There are far more than that as well.

He did the same for DeathNote. Do you think the three of them are likely to be scum together?

Drench defends me, and then gets wagoned. Very scummy. Wagoning someone defending someone you think to be scum(my) instead of the person you think to be scum(my)-->Super scummy.

I agree with the second sentence, except that Exalt was the only one to vote for Drench in that fashion. Kise and I both voted Drench because of his call for a policy vig.

Regarding the people on Mastin's wagon - I don't think we can say much about the people who voted early, before he explained himself (or before arelian mentioned he does this in most games), and who weren't aware of his meta. When I read his first post, my first instinct was "WTF? SCUM!" but then when I heard it's part of his meta, I thought "well obviously a null-tell then". Then I read his explanation and it made sense. I hate the RVS too, so well done. People who have been sticking to him or voting him after that might bear some scrutiny.

Sarag: You don't think that we should NK Mastin. I don't think that Mastin needs to be lynched. People want him dead because they don't like his playstyle, it's a policy lynch. My opinion was that the people who want him dead should vig him themselves, and not waste the town lynch. DeathNote, I'm not sure about.

I don't think he needs to be lynched

OR

NK'd. I agree that we shouldn't go for a policy lynch. I don't think we should policy vig either, and I think encouraging others to do so is scummy. Both the lynch and the vig are valuable, for different reasons. Vigging is also

very costly

, as I have already pointed out. Why should we vig frivolously, and only take the lynch seriously? You also seem to be advocating this, so

FoS: chenhsi

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DRENCH:

The bw on Mastin smells scummy. However, I feel that the people who jumped on the bandwagon 2nd or 3rd weren't as scummy as the people who called it out. I mean, it's a 25 player game.

Scum are not going to quicklynch from L-13 or L-12. I doubt they even have the numbers to even do that.

Maybe I missed something, but what exactly are you talking about when you refer to "the people who called it out"? Who, specifically, are you talking about, and why was calling out the bandwagon scummy in those cases? Because this:

Speaking of the bw, it's not sitting well with me. I saw Mastin committ a null-tell, and I saw 7 or so people jump on it like lightning. I mean, one or two is fine with reason (see above), but when 7 people jump on one person for doing something they do every single game...it looks opportunistic.

Seems like you're calling it out...

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DEATHNOTE:

DN is town...

I agree. He seems pretty noob-town to me. It's possible it's a cover but I have no particular reason to believe that yet.

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OTHER STUFF:

BTW if we are worried that Zwet will be killed, then I can res him so that we can be sure he gets the grave robbing done.

Gah! Shut up!!

@ everyone:

Please do NOT announce whether or not you have a resuscitation kit, who you will resuscitate, or even whether you will resuscitate at all. Someone who takes the resuscitate action cannot be resuscitated themselves. So if you've heard noise (I realise DN didn't so it's not too dire) and you announce your plans, the cultists can pick you as a guaranteed kill. It's also bad to advertise that you even have a resuscitate kit - we don't want the scum knowing how many people have them or where they are.

That said, people who heard no noise and have a res kit should definitely use it tonight. Those who DID hear noise, should think carefully about whether they will use it or not (and don't tell us).

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@ zwet: I'm curious about someting, maybe you can explain. How did you go from this:

NO POLICY LYNCHING

- where you comment on the Mastin bandwagon without giving your own opinion about his scumminess - to this:

Moar mastin votes plz.

and this:

Can we please get back to NOT letting mastin coast for his distracting scumminess?

and yet,

you have never voted for Mastin yourself

?

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@dramonic:

I think I know what Zyke means. It is highly likely that Mastin or DN are scum, but not both and there really is no way to know which one is right now.

I don't get this at all. Please spell it out for me.