Mini 808 - Rabbit Doubt Mafia: Over!

[Battousai]

Philey- It is reaching because you turned something null into something scummy and blew it out of proportion.

[don_johnson]

A) Kmd has been voting you all day and has directed his last several posts at you and your behavior.

okay. that doesn't really translate into "pressure" from where i am sitting, but whatever.

B) I don't like your explanation for hammering, namely. More recently:

players don't get to L-1 by accident.

not everyone in town needs to scumhunt.

I would never type these as town. Granted, I like to think I wouldn't type them as scum, either. But they're certainly odd. Myko made some similarly odd comments after some pressure from Kmd, which is why I said this seems familiar.

odd how?

do you think players get to L-1 by accident?

do you think everyone in town

needs

to scumhunt? i.e. i replaced into a long game. i explained why i hammered. i haven't once avoided the issues here.

[Iecerint]

Sure, I think players get to L-1 by accident from time to time. But more than that, what's scummy (or at least odd) about your statement is that it implies that scum never hammers town. I doubt that.

Also, sure, I think it's best if everyone tries to scumhunt. On average, town scumhunters are easier to distinguish from scum scumhunters than are town lurkers from scum lurkers.

The play is odd because it doesn't seem particularly pro-town, but I don't think it's very good play for scum, either.

[Mastin]

Something in the conversation within the last two pages is rubbing me wrong. Perhaps even on this page.

[PhilyEc]

Philey- It is reaching because you turned something null into something scummy and blew it out of proportion.

Have you re-read my posts from back then? I don't see how it wasn't something worth pressuring him over. I could pressure a player over anything they say for an insight into their tactics afterall. I wen't heavy on the attack yeah, but dude, he screamed scum, I felt my pressure was well placed.

[don_johnson]

mastin: is it possibly that icerint seems to be pushing unwarranted suspicion in my direction with some really scummy catch phrases like

I'm not crazy about DJ's responses to Kmd's pressure

and

I would never type these as town. Granted, I like to think I wouldn't type them as scum, either.

But they're certainly odd.

and

But more than that, what's scummy (or at least odd) about your statement is that it implies that scum never hammers town. I doubt that.

?

exactly where did i imply that "

scum never hammers town

"?

[don_johnson]

ebwop:

unvote, vote ice

[Battousai]

Philey- It is reaching because you turned something null into something scummy and blew it out of proportion.

Have you re-read my posts from back then? I don't see how it wasn't something worth pressuring him over. I could pressure a player over anything they say for an insight into their tactics after all. I went heavy on the attack yeah, but dude, he screamed scum, I felt my pressure was well placed.

He screamed scum because he voted for KMD over Tenchi? He screamed scum because he thought KMD was scum for voting him for pregame talk, tunneling, and semi-lurking? He screamed scum because he found Tenchi scummy enough to vote, but not as scummy as KMD? Would you even had brought this up if he just SFOS: Tenchi instead of voting him?

[ZazieR]

Battousai has told me he'll be V/LA starting/after the 8th of August.

[ZazieR]

1) Kmd4390 (2) - Mastin, Molestargazer

3) Mastin (1) - Iecerint
4) don_johnson (1) - Kmd4390
5) Looker
6) Iecerint (1) - Don_johnson
7) Molestargazer
9) Tenchi
10) PhilyEc (1) - Battousai
11) Battousai
12) Gregory (1) - Looker

Not voting (3) - Tenchi, PhilyEc, Gregory

With 10 players alive, you''ll need 6 votes to lynch.
Green indicates closest to lynch.

Room 1: Male Restroom
Room 2: Female Restroom
Room 3: Library - Mastin, Iecerint
Room 4: Hospital Room

Room 5: ???

Room 6: Dark Room
Room 7: Storage Room
Room 8: Great Hall
Room 9: Bedroom
Room 10: Empty Room

Room 11: ???

Room 12: Crime Scene Room - Don_johnson
Room 13: Exit Room

Room 14: ???
Room 15: ???
Room 16: ???

Black means that that the door is open.
Red means that the door is closed.
Room 14 is in darkred, as it's its door in a different room, which got locked by Iecerint. So nobody, except for Iecerint (who can't use his barcode on it) can get to this door. So nobody can open this door until Iecrint unlocks his door.
Then there's purple. Room 7 also had an extra door in it. This one was opened by Mykonian. As Mykonian didn't leave this room when PhilyEc closed Room 7 and as Mykonian's door isn't locked, both Mykonian and PhilyEc can still move between these two rooms.

Corridor - Kmd4390, Looker, Molestargazer, Tenchi, PhilyEc, Battousai, Gregory

NOTE: When you open a room, you''ll automatically enter it.

[molestargazer]

Agreeing with Avatar-guy's point about... the guy who I haven't thought of a name for yet. I don't even know what the avatar is. Dammit, give me a name, guy-who-made-post-886!

yes. but in that game i lied. in this game i am not lieing.

This relies on us taking your word for it. Which is a bad defence.

i was giving other players the oppurtunity to jump off the wagon. noone bit, so I hammered

If you're giving people the opportunity to hop off, you clearly don't like the wagon. Why finish it?

@Ninja-guy

- More details about your vote reasonings in Post 888 please?

Odd, that you say this, yet aren't voting for Dublin-guy.

Satan guy never gave an opinion on it. Why would he vote?

@Satan-guy

- DO you think it's scummy?

We can all agree that dead-guy was definately deserving of the accusations made upon him

Can we? Why?

thus why would I be 'reaching' at this point?

He's saying that the point itself is reaching.

[don_johnson]

Agreeing with Avatar-guy's point about... the guy who I haven't thought of a name for yet. I don't even know what the avatar is. Dammit, give me a name, guy-who-made-post-886!

guy in salmon t-shirt and white suit.

yes. but in that game i lied. in this game i am not lieing.

This relies on us taking your word for it. Which is a bad defence.[/quote]

no. the lie itself would be illogical. i am being accused of saying "i'm not rereading" and that statement being a lie. if i am lieing then i actually am rereading. why would i lie about such a thing.

i was giving other players the oppurtunity to jump off the wagon. noone bit, so I hammered

If you're giving people the opportunity to hop off, you clearly don't like the wagon. Why finish it?

as i said. it seemed rather inevitable at that point. day 1 is always wifomic and generally only serves the purpose of thinning the crowd for information. my opinion didn't seem like it would matter much so i went with the majority.

[Iecerint]

@ DJ -- I think you're misunderstanding some of what I've typed. I am differentiating "odd" and "scummy" play. Scummy play is play that's indicative of scum. Odd play is play that is unusual for both town and scum. I think your response to Kmd's pressure (and myko's response to the same scenario yesterday) has been odd rather than scummy. I commented as much because the same scenario didn't work out too well with myko Day 1.

I didn't say that you said that scum never hammers town. I said that that was an implication of your statement "players don't get to L-1 by accident." It sounds like you argued that scum are more likely to be earlier to on the wagon, so we should focus there and give you the benefit of the doubt. (Let me know if I misunderstood what you meant.) If this is true, it means that scum is comparably unlikely to hammer town (and totally unlikely if we take your statement literally).

[Iecerint]

MSG -- I'm not sure what question you're asking. Could you clarify what you're asking about?

[Mastin]

I've noticed that people stopped moving from room to room.

[Battousai]

@Ninja-guy

- More details about your vote reasonings in Post 888 please?

I feel that his point against myk was unwarranted and was reaching. I don't understand what kind of details you need.

[Kmd4390]

Mastin, am I really the kind of player who would call my scumbuddy obvtown?

I'm hating this more and more.

Because I'm using WIFOM?

Its like a hybrid of meta and WIFOM xD

True.

But if you were lying, you would say this exact same thing. Saying "hurhur I'm not lying" doesn't make you sound any more honest. The fact that you continue to repeat it makes me doubt you even more.

not sure what you are getting at here. you accused me of lieing. i am obviously not lieing as it makes no logical sense for me to do a thorough reread and analysis and then lie about whether or not i am actually doing it. what are you accusing me of lieing about exactly? if i haven't lied, then why continue with such a malicious line of questioning if not to bolster a weak case through some sort of "guilt by repetition" method?

On Day 1, you never really caught up. You said that you intentionally lurked in Speed Dating. But you say that's ok, because even though you lied there, you are telling the truth here. If you don't see why I don't trust that statement, you are dense.

But you called out the lack of bolded requests later, and I'd expect that if you really wanted the extension, you'd have made the request again when it went unsanswered.

uh no. my request was answered. it was clearly stated by the mod that extension requests be bolded. i bolded mine. when others made requests that were not bolded i saw it as a tactic to appear pro town without following through to actually be pro town. at what point did you request an extension?

But when no extension came, you could have asked again if you wanted it that badly.

I don't believe I ever requested an extension. When did I claim to have done so?

You hammered because no one unvoted?

that and to secure a day 1 lynch. players don't get to L-1 by accident. please don't try to paint me as some scum mastermind for successfully lynching on day 1. its not a very strong point.

That's funny. I'm not calling you a "mastermind". If you were a mastermind, I wouldn't have caught you just now. I think you are scum who made a dumb move by hammering someone you never really said you thought was scum. Basically hammering for the sake of lynching.

How is it pointless to catch up? You missed out on a lot of opinions you could have formed.

read my meta. i am horrible town. it was frustrating to catch up so i figured i would go with town's judgement for day 1 and see what happened.

not everyone in town needs to scumhunt.

Seriously? So it's just "Meh, a bunch of guys voted him, so he's a good lynch"? Absolutely terrible.

Also, the bolded is one of those things where I go "Did he really say that? Really??? WTF???"

I think Phily is scummy too, so no, not just you from that wagon.

and why?

[/quote]

I don't have a strong case, but gut and his reaction to the whole room thing near the beginning of Day 1. And his Myko vote, while not scummy as an action, puts him on my list of players to focus on today.

[don_johnson]

i must be dense.

i asked for an extension. i believe we got one.

you didn't. at all. ever.

omg. i hammered on day 1 for the sake of lynching. how scummy.

uh yeah. you scumhunt, tell me who to vote for and why. i'll play how i want to.

[Looker]

[Looker enters Room 13]
[Looker closes Room 13]

[ZazieR]

You don't own the key of room 13, so you can't close it.

[Battousai]

Ok, who all read the rules yesterday?

[PhilyEc]

Philey- It is reaching because you turned something null into something scummy and blew it out of proportion.

Have you re-read my posts from back then? I don't see how it wasn't something worth pressuring him over. I could pressure a player over anything they say for an insight into their tactics after all. I went heavy on the attack yeah, but dude, he screamed scum, I felt my pressure was well placed.

He screamed scum because he voted for KMD over Tenchi? He screamed scum because he thought KMD was scum for voting him for pregame talk, tunneling, and semi-lurking? He screamed scum because he found Tenchi scummy enough to vote, but not as scummy as KMD? Would you even had brought this up if he just SFOS: Tenchi instead of voting him?

He screamed scum throughout Day One (apologies, I should've been more specific). The double vote post merely tickled me the wrong was, and was far more revealing than anything else that had happened in the game. (e.g. Tenchi case to me, seemed to be getting pushed along, it wasn't strong, Krev looks town thinking about it)

As I remember, Myk was the one pregame talking. He buddied at the beginning, earning him KMD's suspicion. KMD tunneled? Was Myk correct in saying this in your opinion? Also, I don't think semi-lurking is something one should even look over... lurking isnt much of a tell so half of that is something to lynch someone over? Myk was reaching the entire time because he really had nothing to go on. Perhaps if he admitted this and was more open with town, we'd not have in turn fucked up too.

I most likey wouldn't have noticed it had he SFOS'd. The double vote made me compare the two cases. Myk had way more opinionated tries over Tenchi. I also didn't like the reaching for an excuse to vote KMD. I think he was being blindsighted by some sort of need to get KMD off his back.

(That post is a bit messy, if I didnt asnwer something you wanted me to, feel free to ask agains *off to eat foodz*)

[Looker]

My apologies, it worked before.

[Looker exits Room 13]
[Looker enters Room 12]
[Looker closes Room 12]

, to which, I believe, I have the key

[Gregory]

do you think players get to L-1 by accident?

No, but do they allways need to be lynched?

do you think everyone in town

needs

to scumhunt?

Yep, If you don't want to, I'll happely vote you. Because to me, You and KMD are both scummy, but he tries to make something of this game. YOU DON'T. If you're dead next day, we won't miss you.

i asked for an extension.

don't use that as defense, it isn't.

omg. i hammered on day 1 for the sake of lynching.

while you didn't want to lynch myko, and we had enough time for a lynch. Very Protown.

uh yeah. you scumhunt, tell me who to vote for and why. i'll play how i want to.

yeah, play like you want,
when you're dead

vote: don_johnson

[don_johnson]

do you think players get to L-1 by accident?

No, but do they allways need to be lynched?

of course not. there was no other viable candidate that i could see. would you prefer a day 1 no lynch?

do you think everyone in town

needs

to scumhunt?

Yep, If you don't want to, I'll happely vote you. Because to me, You and KMD are both scummy, but he tries to make something of this game. YOU DON'T. If you're dead next day, we won't miss you.

i asked for an extension.

don't use that as defense, it isn't.

really? even when the accusation started off that i "didn't ask for an extension", and then moved to "well you could have asked again"? seems a perfectly reasonable defense to me.

omg. i hammered on day 1 for the sake of lynching.

while you didn't want to lynch myko, and we had enough time for a lynch. Very Protown.

there were no other lynch candidates. it was less than 12 hours to deadline. sounds like enough time for a "speedlynch". so far you r argument seems like you would have rather had a "speedlynch" or a "no lynch". so yeah, i will agree with your last sentence. my actions were very pro-town.

uh yeah. you scumhunt, tell me who to vote for and why. i'll play how i want to.

yeah, play like you want,
when you're dead

ha. i get it. now you're trying to use humor to cover up your poor reasoning for a vote. would you care to lay out an actual case? perhaps you could follow up your accusation of kmd with some actual evidence as well.