MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (fl's subgame): Game Over

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/conconconfirmation

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Vote : Zazier.

Also Vino is prob town. Yes, I know he is in the other game but Im that awesome.

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Vote Flava

FoS Tajo

Both know the reasons

I dont actually.

Share please.

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WFT IS GOING ON HERE?

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Anyone has an idea of why Benmage and DDD have safeclaims?

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Even if they are scum, tho...what's the harm to our game (at least in our immediate future)? I'd support throwing DDD (hey nice to play with you btw) into another game. I'd much rather do that than bring BenMage here.

WFT IS GOING ON HERE?

is this a breadcrumb?

No, its just me going crazy of the idea of having to read three games to understand whats going on?

What made you think that?

Also, what Sprrex said. If you are going to comment on anything of the other games, please quote and inform you are talking about the other threads.

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I have a gut feeling that DDD is scum and that benmage got out of his control and that he is in damage control mode in this game. I think benmage is indeed what he is saying to be (read Tar's game). I dont see him lying that much and so fast. The thing is that I dont see any reason why both roles would need safeclaims unless one of them is scum and has a shitty flavor to hide.

But I think jammer is partially right, there is no need to waste a lynch on him

yet

. There is more than one way to get rid of DDD that doesnt involve lynching him. I wouldn't mind getting rid of him but Im very open to things developing and getting a better idea of what to do with him as the game progresses.

I just laughed with the idea of having the transporter in SSK's game. How cool would that be?

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If I were vig, I'd shoot Mufasa.

So whats exactly the point in posting this in every post?

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Tajo; I think I'm missing it. Why would having the transporter in SSK's game be cool?

Because Benmage is in tar's game, DDD is here. How cool in game design would it be that the guy who can transport them is in the other game?

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Ill reread the thread later.

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Ok, catching up. Questions are in itallics.

First pages are the DDD-Ben thing. Page 2-3.

I like Zazie apporach in 38, seems very well reasoned. Mufasa is being more active than what I remember from him. Zito seems very scumhunting focused pressuring DDD.

Im not liking very much DDD in page 2-3. As I said, I feel like DDD is in damage control mode after Benmage town went all-in in tar's game. I also dont think DDD could get advice from Ben when backtracking of suspecting Zazie.

Zito and Spyrex are very relaxed when talking to the other.

Zito and Spyrex, this is the first game youve played together?

Spyrex is good in 66. Like his tone and his approach of the situation.

Porkens in 69 is kinda off for a first post. Asking is this a breadcrumb? and wanting to vig Mufasa.

At that point, Porkens, did you think Mufasa was most likely town, neutral or scum?

Spyrex, why did you QFT Porkens suggestion?

Page 4.

I dont get something. Why is like accepted that DDD is telling the truth? I can buy that from benmage who is being like brutally honest, but Jammer (76),

why dont you think that DDD could be scum? Porkens, same question.

Porkens, why do you insist on wanting to vig Mufasa, after he simulposted answer your questions?

Flavaflav in 94 is an agressive entrance.

Sociopath is megaavoiding the ddd-benmage thing in 98. His speculation of the Porkens sig is weak and calling Spyrex antitown feels kinda exaggerated.

His Porkens vote is interesting. Sociopath is very eager to suspect people.

Sociopath, are you always this eager?

Page 6 starts with the Unbreakable Alliance.

Spyrex is bored. I can see both town or scum doing this. I think this is null.

Okay. Yosarian in 129 disagrees with me. Very agressive vote.

Yos, do you think that this post couldnt have been made by Spyrextown?

Zito and Mufasa, the unbreakabale alliance makes you think Spyrex is more town/more scum or equal?

Im not liking Yos very much. He is being too agressive for something that shouldnt have gotten that reaction. So I think the point here is that if Im reading well Spyrex, there is nothing extremely suspicious in his Porkens, Zito and Tajo reads. Why is it bad that Spyrex gathered his better town reads in a Unbreakable Alliance?

Yos, I agree completely about Mufasa and Zito's reactions to Spy. Both scummy as hell. The strength of your opposition is a little weird too though.

Yeah, I feel this post should be important some day.

Then there is more blah blah. Same fight. Yos is being ext agressive for something that shouldnt have got that reaction.

Quag thinks Mufasa is town. Interesting conclusion, waiting for the explanation.

Conclusion in next post.

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Prob Town

Spyrex (good reasoning, relaxed tone)
Zito (good reasoning, relaxed tone)

Neutral

Mufasa (slightly leaning town for his relaxed tone)
Porkens (irrational Mufasa hate but still good)
Zazier (needs more posting)
Quagmire (needs more posting)
Sociopath (sometimes feels agressive townie, sometimes agressive scum, dunno yet)
DDD (gut tells me he is prob scum but lynch is not optymal when there are better ways to get rid of him)
jammer (dont like he clearing ddd and his defense. needs more posting)

Prob Scum

Yos (see post above)
Flavaflav (analyse if Yos is scum, dont like him concentrating in other games instead of focusing here.)

Vote : Yosarian2

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Votecount please.

I think Sociopath is at L-1, so Id suggest a claim.

Wait for me tonight for more.

He is. And I'll post the VC later as I'm about to leave

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Yos, some quick question. Are you always that agressive?

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Sorry guys V/LA until the 18th. City holidays.

Noted

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So page 10. DDD left the game. Say thx to benmage. One less problem . Zito changed games with Budja.

Huh, well, I told you so.

You told us what? What is the prupose of this post?

Of course they'd take Zito.

Who is they?

I dont like the Spyrex-Porkens chat afterwards. It feels forced.

28) populartajo-More than likely town.

why?

Ive decided that due to various posts in page 11, sociopath is prob town. He is too paranoid of everything.

SocioPath's attempts to distract attention away from his current bandwagon are duly noted. I'm fully confident he's mafia panicking as he tries to get out of his current bind.

Interesting is that I got another conclusion of his posts. Can you quote what makes you think he is mafia panicking?

One thing I notice that scum always always tends to do when they're in danger of being lynched is start to panic and overreact whenever there's a point made against them.

Havent you seen townies panick when they are in danger of being lynched?

And here comes the infractions and the modkill. Bye Yos.

Despite the logic you present, Yos; A vanilla claim isn't worth an unvote.

After post 283, do you still think Yos unvote was bad?

297 is a 180 flip. What changed, Porkens?

Budja, if you dislike the Quag wagon then you also should know that he posted that Mufasa is town. Why are you voting him?

He is a claimed (useless) vanilla towny.

Vote: SocioPath

Are you voting someone you think is a claimed vanilla towny? Or am i getting it wrong?

Porkens, pick one: flava flav or jammer?

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Updating this

Prob Town

Spyrex
Sociopath

Neutral

Mufasa
Zazier
Porkens
Quagmire

Prob Scum

jammer
Flavaflav

With Yos dead, going with my second top suspect, flavaflav. I can also dig a jammer wagon and Im not liking Porkens or Quag very much. Mufasa is prob village idiot. Zazie needs to post more.

Vote : flavaflav

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Interesting is that I got another conclusion of his posts. Can you quote what makes you think he is mafia panicking?

Havent you seen townies panick when they are in danger of being lynched?

I already have, and yes, I have. My 6th scumday just came and went. I've been playing for a long, long time.

So how can you make the difference between town panicking and scum panicking?

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Also, Id like opinions on Porkens and jammer, please.

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Interesting is that I got another conclusion of his posts. Can you quote what makes you think he is mafia panicking?

Havent you seen townies panick when they are in danger of being lynched?

I already have, and yes, I have. My 6th scumday just came and went. I've been playing for a long, long time.

So how can you make the difference between town panicking and scum panicking?

I've seen and played countless of mafia games.

So basically I just have to trust your word here or are you going to come up with a valid argument to explain this?

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Also, Id like opinions on Porkens and jammer, please.

Also this, Quag. I dont think you missed this.

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He is too paranoid of everything.

Paranoia is a towntell?
Yessir.

He is a claimed (useless) vanilla towny.

Vote: SocioPath

Are you voting someone you think is a claimed vanilla towny? Or am i getting it wrong?

I was voting becouse I like him lynched, becouse I think he is likely to be scum, the point he claimed vanilla towny means at the least we have no risk of lynching any PR´s.
I also wonder why you left the bit before it out.

Also, Id like opinions on Porkens and jammer, please.

Jammer is obv. town. I have seen nothing really scummy coming from Porkens.

Can you provide a scumlist? (people you think are town/neutral/scum)

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@all: With two neutrals, how many scum do you expect in this game? 2? 3?

Hey Porkens, what made you switch from jammer to Mufasa in your vigsig?

And finally the play for tomorrow is jammer. Careful with Quag and Porkens. Just thought Id let you know.

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Why the push for a scumlist during night actions?

Why not?

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Meh, I guess its balanced with the possiblity of being able to catch inconsistencies in a pressured situation. Since I think he is prob scum then the probability of scum manipulating his choices is reduced. But I see your point, so I guess it wont hurt to wait till tomorrow.

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Once again, the power of the cop fakeclaim shines. This has been like the fourth time people refuse to lynch a scummy claimed cop.

And that Sociopath lynch was dumb after all the vanilla thing. Pretty obvious that guy was obv town. Was Yos modkilled in vain?

I'd have had to step in if you tried to confirm Sociopath like that. Not sure how I'd have handled it though. I admit I made horrible decisions there

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Once again, the power of the cop fakeclaim shines. This has been like the fourth time people refuse to lynch a scummy claimed cop.

And that Sociopath lynch was dumb after all the vanilla thing. Pretty obvious that guy was obv town. Was Yos modkilled in vain?

I'd have had to step in if you tried to confirm Sociopath like that. Not sure how I'd have handled it though. I admit I made horrible decisions there

You know. Ive always thought the best games are the ones where mods are not so involved in the game. I think Tar and you are very awesome mods and I understand you do it for the benefit of the game, but sometimes you just need to sit back and let players

play

the game.

I still dont get why Yos was modkilled since he was doing what a nontown player would do to avoid being lynched, which is a part of his win condition. It has been discussed a lot but I simply cant agree with Tar here.

Remind me to post a thread in MD after one game is over.

Honestly, I tend to step back and let things happen. I'll post some smartass comments but otherwise I am very loath to modkill. Tar generally helps me make those tough calls cause I tend to want to go easy on people

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I started here but died in SSK's game. So did I lose with this town or win with that other one?

I have no idea.

You win the award for most travelling planeswalker, though.