MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (fl's subgame): Game Over

[jammer]

/comfirm, and the next week my activity be lower.

[jammer]

@ZazieR, can you quote to what of Sajin you're talking to every time. I'm to lazy to look back in that topic every time. =/

Ok, about the benmage and DDD being lovers.
I think I can buy their claim. But I don't feel like making them win as soon as possible. As someone else said in the other thread, if they die/subgame ends, they lose.
1) If they're is a vig (s)he could vig him if he's useless in this game, and it couldn't be a wasted shot on a towny as they're proven not town. They could be gambiting scum altrough I doubt that case.
2) Move DDD out of this subgame, and put him into another subgame. I don't care if he is put with benmage or not. Removing a non-town player isn't a bad move.
3) Let DDD live, in the end pushing him into scumhunting becouse he can't hand a game to scum with doing nothing and selflose.

I'm not in favour of lynching DDD for claiming a third party. I don't see a benefit into lynching him, besides that we're not having an actual mislynch of town. DDD could possibly help in a lylo-endgame situation. I see no harm in letting him live.

[jammer]

We're not lynching DDD today.

There are very probably pro-town players who have a ability to move/kill another player. There is no need to waste a lynch on him. There are other ways to get rid of DDD. I wouldn't mind getting rid of him, but atleast let the night-actions to the job.
Focus on lynching scum today. I don't see what info/use we'll get out of a (policy) lynch of a claimed third party.

[jammer]

@SocioPath, what usefull can we get out of the other threads?

[jammer]

Debonair Danny DiPietro: 11 posts

Flava Flave: 6 posts
jammer: 4 posts

(said activity would be lower)

I still expected I had some more time for this(atleast to post something), but here I am.

MOD: Limited acces from now to sunday(?). I posted today, not sure I will be posting before sunday and don't like to be replaced in the meantime. D:

V/LA noted

I find the fight over the alliance between spyrex and Yos2, a complete waste of space. Yos2 is taking this alliance thingy to serious. Spyrex is keeping to defend the whole alliance stuff for some reason.

I didn't vote yet!
So,

Vote: Quagmire

Was already behind in his starting post. Seems a good vote to me.

@SocioPath,
If Porkens "sig" is part of a post-restriction, how does that make him scum?

@Flava Flave
What relevance with this game can you get out SSK's and Tar's games?

[jammer]

Tar-game quotes/questions.

@Jammer- Are you familiar with MTG lore?

Magic the Gathering: Parallel Universe Mafia (Subgame 2: SSK's Setup)

In a place as large as the Blind Eternities, many different worlds can become entwined in a single destiny.

For instance, take the three planes that you now find yourselves in. Each is self-contained... but, as the planeswalkers know, there are ways to traverse the Blind Eternities... and the events of other planes can affect your own.

Especially when you're dealing with people - or other creatures - whose ambitions of conquest are not limited to a single world...

Jammer and Spyrex please respond to the above quote which is the flavor text from MafiaSSK's game. Thanks.

(By the way, this also tells me that if SpyreX is town he probably doesn't have a role that affects the other subgames in any way.)

This is exactly what I was trying to say to jammer and spyrex. Thanks.

@Yos- I seem to recall you saying something along the lines of "If someone claims neutral the right move is to lynch them, always" from the last game we played together. Why is your opinion now different?

Ingame.

I believe 33) Porkens 35) SocioPath are my two prime suspects.

Porkens for his whole sig... it just doesnt register easy for me.
SocioPath for not answering the questions that are on him.

The question at SP is about the sig-thing. As you suspect Porkens for this same thing, would you mind anwsering the original question that was directed at SP.
How does the sig make Porkens suspicious?

[jammer]

I dont get something. Why is like accepted that DDD is telling the truth? I can buy that from benmage who is being like brutally honest, but Jammer (76),

why dont you think that DDD could be scum? Porkens, same question.

I could barely see it as a scumgambit. Lynching and vigging would be good options to get rid off them. Why do you see benmage apart from DDD?

I guess I was feigning confidence while at the same time panicking; and throwing accusations at everyone, despite focusing on SpyreX and HIS communications with those around him.

Does town panic and throw accusions at everyone just in a attempt to lose votes?
He is a claimed (useless) vanilla towny.

Vote: SocioPath

I am surprised with yos2 being a survivor, I wouldn't suspect a survivor catching that much attention. I'm surprised at that.

With the rule 1a violations, I find the punishment harsh. Atleast when I get close to do anything with role-PM's, I know to talk with the mod first. :S



@Mufasa, what do you think of Flava Flave?

[jammer]

Why do you see benmage apart from DDD?

Don't you mean "did". Are you reading here?

Thanks for the correction, yes I read.

[jammer]

Flava Flave, can you briefly explain what scummy actions Budja did in that subgame?

[jammer]

Why is there a lack of activity

Why don´t you start posting more usefull?

In mafiassk game, day one seems to have ended. Possibly means we get some changes in this game.

quag, why don´t you explain how mufase is town?

@fl, could you prod zazier.

Was planning to send the prodwagon through town today, actually

[jammer]

He is too paranoid of everything.

Paranoia is a towntell?

He is a claimed (useless) vanilla towny.

Vote: SocioPath

Are you voting someone you think is a claimed vanilla towny? Or am i getting it wrong?

I was voting becouse I like him lynched, becouse I think he is likely to be scum, the point he claimed vanilla towny means at the least we have no risk of lynching any PR´s.
I also wonder why you left the bit before it out.

Also, Id like opinions on Porkens and jammer, please.

Jammer is obv. town. I have seen nothing really scummy coming from Porkens.

About the creature-claim, it is something to keep in mind. But I do not think a soft-massclaim like that will work. There are 3 designers + a main designer if I recall right? I would be completely surprised if there was a way to break the setup like that. I am not about to risk PRs coming out to very possibly catch scum.

@Mufasa, if you are responding to other games, atleast quote where you are responding towards. Those lines are annoying.

Also,

Prod: Flava flave
Vote Flava flave

What is an unvote? A miserable little pile of secrets!

HAVE AT YOU!

(This vote not counting brought to you by Castlevania: Symphony of the Night)

[jammer]

Unvote; Vote: Flava flave

[jammer]

Unvote; Vote: Flava flave

[jammer]

He is too paranoid of everything.

Paranoia is a towntell?

Yessir.

I don´t think so.

Meh, I guess its balanced with the possiblity of being able to catch inconsistencies in a pressured situation. Since I think he is prob scum then the probability of scum manipulating his choices is reduced. But I see your point, so I guess it wont hurt to wait till tomorrow.

If you are that certain I am scum, why then pressure me in the night? When I would be talking to scumbuddies and ask them for advice.

Ohh yea I'm totally for it tomorrow and consider this me pushing for that as well.

So how the sudden attention for me?

[jammer]

Budja, Zazie: No real contribution. Post moar.

Quagmire: Leaning town.
Porkens: Leaning town.
Spyrex: Leaning town.

Mufasa: Pays much attention towards other games. Leaning scum.

SocioPath: Also putting (to) much attention in other games. And putting to much focus on the importance of reading other games e.g. a spyrex vote, reaction on the sig of Porkens. Also attacks other players in a effort to get some off his own wagon. Scum.

Vote: SocioPath

[jammer]

I am so obvious town, I am not even mentioned by Mufasa.

[jammer]

Looking at Tajo there's nothing that really stands out except for the fact he was right about Yos and Flava - and was a shining paragon of townieness. No real pushes or anything that would point at someone directly.

If I look at ¨jammer is the play for tomorrow¨ would that not point at me?

[jammer]

SocioPath: Also putting (to) much attention in other games.

I stated that we shouldn't ignore other games, they can, and have, affected us.

Your win only works on the subgame you are in. I understand keeping track of other players to see how they behaved in other games before they get in here, is usefull to a point. Your stand was to lynch anything that came in before, I can barely see the use then in following other subgames.

And putting to much focus on the importance of reading other games e.g. a spyrex vote, reaction on the sig of Porkens.

Those are things that happened in THIS GAME. I was called out for not having an opinion on the DDD/Ben thing, and have not really said much about the other game specifics other the this last page or so, and yet your crap case is based off of things that happened in this game. I don't CARE at this point if you don't read the other games. Try reading THIS ONE.

I am reading this one, there is no need for caps. You focus much on little things, and forget the big ones.

Also attacks other players in a effort to get some off his own wagon. Scum.

Does that mean you are attacking me to get people off YOUR case? I mean are you seriously attacking me for calling out other players and their actions?

Um, case on me? You mean dead poptajo?
Well, actually yes. Trying to get more a focus on other players when you are being targeted, seems more a scum aproach to me.

SocioPath: A lot of us feel the same way. He puts lot of attention elsewhere.

Is anyone even listening to this guy? Has no opinions of his own and just rides along with everyone else. Just throwing that out there. He is nothing more than an echo.

Actually, you got a point there.

SocioPath: A lot of us feel the same way. He puts lot of attention elsewhere. Trying to get people modkilled/ convince mod is always bad. Scum.

Don´t you put much attention towards other games/setup speculation/lynch players in other setups as well?

Your response to the unbreakable alliance was also... strange.



I agree with Porkens.

unvote; Vote: Zazie

[jammer]

What happens if we fail the mod deadline review?

Sorry, didn't post for two/three days at MS >.<
Will get at least a bit of analysis done tomorrow as I need to get caught up in my other games as well.

Today is the day after tomorrow, Zazie.

Deadline doesn't get extended. Using a secret formula and factoring V/LA I determine whether you punks are worth an extension. I'm not at liberty to tell you if you're there yet or not, but I'm willing to say that I hope you have someone you wanna lynch by, oh...September 6th

[jammer]

With a big one mafia a playerswapping mafia-role would be strange as mafia know eachother with other subgames. I would not see it as fair to be able to swap.

I can not see town putting them into the game as well.

Multiple scumteams would easily be possible, I could see swapping more likely in that case. In that case I could see this swap more a good plan to input some lynch bait.
I wonder what would have happened if mufasa was lynched while the swapping was going on in tars game.

/Will read tars game, budja said almost nothing. I am guesing both of you said more then him.

[jammer]

We could slow down a bit and see what happens there..

I fail to see what advantage we would get for a quicklynch/wagon now.

Wagons can be a nice way to catch some scum.

Budja, what do you think about every player in here?

Also,

Vote: Budja

[jammer]

Quagmire posted somewhere else on site. And somehow forgets to post here.

Unvote: Budja; Vote: Quagmire

[jammer]

@fl, V/LA, from wednesday till friday.

Got it

[jammer]

@Kai & Saijin, thoughs?

[jammer]

Oh my, that was unexpected.

A question.
Why did you vote Sociopath at the start of day, and not me? Makes sense to vote someone you

know

is scum, right?

[jammer]

Quagmire,
You where going to get me subtle lynched by the end of the day?

In then meantime you ignored the wagon on zazie untill it hit L-1?

[jammer]

Also, I wonder how you will explain that you investigated me over sociopath.

[jammer]

Easily testable.

Can I add, that I prefer

testing

the cop claim, by lynching him.(and not me)

[jammer]

Holy, that was L-1 already?

Claim-time.
I am Keiga, the Tide Star, an even night vig.

Back to business.
If you give me the oppertunity, I will be shooting Quagmire the next night we hit.

According to the (flawed)logic of Sociopath(I can be pro-town, you know), if I flip scum, the cop will die anyway.
So, you could let me live this day and get some scum lynched (besides quag). And I will be shooting quag-scum in the night.

Simply stated, if quag lives through N2, or flips cop upon death. You have a simple lynch for tomorrow.
Can´t lose anything, only gain, amirite?

Unvote; Vote: SocioPath

[jammer]

Get Quagmire tomorrow, atleast one scum down.

Rushing a lynch like this is truly awesome.

[jammer]

Why are you explaining your actions now, not like that is changing anything. Already finding excuses for your mistake?

Lynched in 2 hours, jolly. Be less reckless next time.