Yosarian2 wrote:Well...townhunting is one of the best ways to go in a vengeful game, in my experence; in a game so small, if you can figure out one person is town, it really improves your chances.Hoopla wrote: As for you Yos, I think it would clever a position to take as godfather being the aggressor, as such, particularly in a meek, impressionable town. I see your play clearing town players early as a way to impose your opinions first, which seems a safe place for the godfather to be.
Plus, I understand how it might get you paranoid, but me being agressive here, in a town that was otherwise kind of stalled, is the best way for me to act as town.
Anyway, I'm incresingly confident Hoopla is town here; if she was scum, and I had just declared her town, I would expect her to use that to her advantage, to buddy up with me, and to use that to get a better endgame result.
I will say that if you're pretty sure that a certain person is the goon, lynching that person is a good play. Lynching the godfather on day 1 dosn't really happen all that often, and if you lynch a goon, it gives the town 2 more days to lynch the godfather.
Bullshit. I complained that it's bad for the town that SOG has gone away, but I specifically said I didn't think it was an alignment tell. How is that trying to have it both ways?Yosarian2 wrote:You saidekiM wrote:When I said that his V/LA is not an alignment-tell that is, in fact, what I meant.
Which sounds like you're trying to have it both ways.I guess it's not an alignment tell but it is awfully anti-town to be AWOL for a week right near the start of a game, especially a short one like this set-up.
The main question was "do you know whom Hoopla suspects?". When I asked, did you?Yosarian2 wrote:Hoopla seems pretty obviously pro-town.Yosarian, do you know whom Hoopla suspects? I don't see where she's lain it out any more clearly than I have, yet you haven't questioned that.
In fact, since she called you out for buddying and you denied it, you haven't addressed her at all. Why is that?
The way she unvoted semioldguy when I voted him, putting him at lynch -1 seemed pro-town to me; at the very least, I can't see her doing that as scum unless she's scum with semioldguy, and even then, that's not the vibe I'm getting.
Besies that, she's been very active, and her reasoning feels pro-town to me.
(shrug) Just from a theoretical standpoint, if you are pretty sure that person A is the goon, and you think that person B or C might be the godfather, lynching person A is the right move. Because if you lynch person A and they are scum, then you get 2 more lynches to find the godfather. You should always lynch someone if you think they're scum.Hoopla wrote:
I don't know Yos, I think taking a punt that you're the godfather and lynching you instead would be a better play from my perspective. Another positive is that if you are actually town, I think the venge-kill would be in safer hands, than semioldguy's, who has barely participated. Convincing the town to lynch on a process of elimination play is hard to do though.
Because at the end of that paragraph, you seemed to have concluded he was scummy, and this "anti-town action" was the strongest point you seemed to have against him.ekiM wrote:Bullshit. I complained that it's bad for the town that SOG has gone away, but I specifically said I didn't think it was an alignment tell. How is that trying to have it both ways?Yosarian2 wrote:You saidekiM wrote:When I said that his V/LA is not an alignment-tell that is, in fact, what I meant.
Which sounds like you're trying to have it both ways.I guess it's not an alignment tell but it is awfully anti-town to be AWOL for a week right near the start of a game, especially a short one like this set-up.
No, at the time, i didn't. Then again, for the first few pages in the game, I didn't really know who anyone suspected, until I started taking the lead and demanding answeres from everyone. You included.The main question was "do you know whom Hoopla suspects?". When I asked, did you?
Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, it really sounds like you mostly think I'm scum because I've been active and leading the town; whereas the truth is, being active and leading the town are town tells, they're what the town should do. It's especally true in vengeful games, when every scum is hoping that two townies will get into a fight, one will get lynched, and then will vengekill the other; so scum tend to be quiet and stay out of the way.Hoopla wrote:
I don't know Yos, I think taking a punt that you're the godfather and lynching you instead would be a better play from my perspective. Another positive is that if you are actually town, I think the venge-kill would be in safer hands, than semioldguy's, who has barely participated. Convincing the town to lynch on a process of elimination play is hard to do though.
Perhaps I am, but the percentages between random chance and my informed choices aren't that signifigant with no alignment information. [/quote]Hoopla wrote: Anyway, it really sounds like you mostly think I'm scum because I've been active and leading the town; whereas the truth is, being active and leading the town are town tells, they're what the town should do. It's especally true in vengeful games, when every scum is hoping that two townies will get into a fight, one will get lynched, and then will vengekill the other; so scum tend to be quiet and stay out of the way.
No, it's not, because I'm town, and semioldguy is clearly scum and quite likely the godfather.If I can rule one or two people out from being the godfather, I think it's a good percentage play to take a potshot at that, because really the margin of difference between you or semioldguy isn't huge. The difference between lynching godfather or goon is. Does that make more sense?
I said I was town because Hoopla said she didn't see the difference between lynching me or lynching you, and the difference is that I'm town. It's a silly answer, sure, but it's also true and correct, and I was hoping it would get her to re-think what she was saying, and hopefully get her to help me actually lynch scum today.semioldguy wrote:What I don't like is the way you defend yourself. Please just explain your motivations and let everyone else do the analysis, explaining your motivations should show that you are town without you additionally having to say that you are town.
Ok, why?I still think you are less likely to be scum than either ekiM or Far_Cry, but I am not going to rule you out as possible scum.
Um...why should I not explain what my motives are? Why should I not explain why town should be active and agressive? Town should be, and we'd be better off if more people were; I've been trying to encourage everyone to be more active and agressive, in fact.semioldguy wrote:Analysis referring to the decision of your motives either being town backed or scum backed. If your defense was the same with the exception of you leaving out the parts where you say you are town or doing what town would be more likely to do I would feel a lot better about you. As in let other players make the decision for themselves what they think your motives are rather than you inserting it into your own posts.
Explain yourself here. How is my defense "scummy"? How is it "scummy" to simply point out that my actions have been the correct course of action for a pro-town person in my position to take? Why are you claiming a scum would be more likely to do this then town?Your defense is worse. If you are going to defend yourself in that manner, I am going to point it out and make note of it regardless of whether or not I agree with the attacks on you, because the defense is scummy.
Yosarian2 wrote:
That's kind of a defeatist attitude. It really dosn't take that much to catch scum in a game this small.
Here is the full paragraph:Yos wrote:Because at the end of that paragraph, you seemed to have concluded he was scummy, and this "anti-town action" was the strongest point you seemed to have against him.
Ah. but at that point youYos wrote:No, at the time, i didn't. Then again, for the first few pages in the game, I didn't really know who anyone suspected, until I started taking the lead and demanding answeres from everyone. You included.ekiM wrote:The main question was "do you know whom Hoopla suspects?". When I asked, did you?
This isn't analysis. You're barely giving any reasons at all.Far_Cry wrote:I've, well, changed my stance on people in this game.
I think that Yos and semi are town, while Hoopla and ekim are scum.
I've made this conclusion in part by gut feeling. However, some pairs I dont believe can be scum:
Yos and Hoopla: the air around those are hard to explain, but I simply believe that both of them can't be scum.
Semi and Yos: There attacks on each other may be scum trying to fool town, but this strategy seems unlikely.
Semi and Hoopla: This is a possibility and I won't forget about it; however, believe that ekim and Hoopla are a more probable pair.
Ekim and Semi: Highly unlikely, as I've stated before.
Ekim and Yos: Another slight possibility, 1 that I will consider.
I will try to do some further analysis.
What is it with this game and people having trouble reading?Far_Cry wrote:Ekim also said I did something "fairly townish." Then, some posts later he votes for me, without talking much about me in those in-between posts.
Can u please clearly tell me why u voted for me?
She's bottom of my suspect list. She hasn't really done anything much I've found suspicious.Far_Cry wrote:What do u think about Hoopla?
This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would L-1 attract no attention, especially after the discussion we'd had about it?Yos wrote:Also, Far Cry, I think a hoopla/Ekim scumgroup is very unlikely, even regardless of my town read on her. If Hoopla was scum, and semioldguy was town, I do not think she would have removed her vote on him when I put semioldguy at lynch -1. There would have been no reason for her to do so; all she would have had to do was be quiet, say noncommittal things, and wait until someone else would hammer semioldguy (either a townie or her scumbuddy), and she'd get a townie lynched and wouldn't even look bad in the process; all the blame would probably go to either me or the person who hammered.
ekiM wrote:Here is the full paragraph:Yos wrote:Because at the end of that paragraph, you seemed to have concluded he was scummy, and this "anti-town action" was the strongest point you seemed to have against him.
"Eurf, I don't like SOG's V/LA. I guess it's not an alignment tell but it is awfully anti-town to be AWOL for a week right near the start of a game, especially a short one like this set-up. He's still harping on my suggestion to be cautious with our votes, which I don't really think was a big deal. He's not expressed suspicion of anyone else, either."
If you can't read that then I can't help you. Just stop misrepresenting me.
Eh? IF I decided she was likely town, why would I feel the need to interregate her?Ah. but at that point youhadn'tdemanded anything from Hoopla. You called her town and then stayed the hell out of her way. That's my point. You're not doing it since I pointed it out, but you were avoiding her.
It might, but SHE wouldn't have risked getting attacked for it. I would have, because I was the one putting him at lynch -1. If she was scum, and semioldguy was town, then all she would had to do was not post, lurk for 48 hours or so and see what happens, see if someone else hammered semioldguy or if I get attacked for putting him at L-1 or whatever. Her unvote is not what I would have expected her to do there, if she was scum and semioldguy was town.ekiM wrote:This doesn't make any sense to me. Why would L-1 attract no attention, especially after the discussion we'd had about it?Yos wrote:Also, Far Cry, I think a hoopla/Ekim scumgroup is very unlikely, even regardless of my town read on her. If Hoopla was scum, and semioldguy was town, I do not think she would have removed her vote on him when I put semioldguy at lynch -1. There would have been no reason for her to do so; all she would have had to do was be quiet, say noncommittal things, and wait until someone else would hammer semioldguy (either a townie or her scumbuddy), and she'd get a townie lynched and wouldn't even look bad in the process; all the blame would probably go to either me or the person who hammered.