/in-Vitational Game 5, Simon Mafia 2: Game Over before 832

[Mr. Flay]

Official Day One Vote Count #8

3 - Debonair Danny DiPietro (ZazieR, Lord Gurgi, SpyreX)
2 - Battousai (Nuwen, Elmo)
2 - ZazieR (Goatrevolt, Debonair Danny DiPietro)
1 - LlamaFluff (forbiddanlight)
1 - Lord Gurgi (Battousai)
1 - Nuwen (Patrick)
1 - SpyreX (TDC)
1 - TDC (LlamaFluff)

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch and

4

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is September 1, 10:00 pm CDT.

Not Voting – 0 - Nobody

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LOCK COUNT

9 - Green (TDC, LlamaFluff, SpyreX, forbiddanlight, Battousai, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Nuwen, Goatrevolt, Lord Gurgi)
0 - Blue
0 - Red
0 - Yellow

Not Locking – 3 – Elmo, Patrick, ZazieR

At nightfall, the floor to be locked is: GREEN

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If someone falls ill, faints, or is otherwise not being able to participate in our little game, there is a waiting list for guests who wish to reserve the room that opens up. Why someone would want to replace into this madhouse is beyond me, but should it become necessary, we have people standing by.

-The Management

[Battousai]

I got nothing either way, it looks like she was trying to decide if it was a good idea or not as most of us were. Her claim was startlingly aggressive, but again that doesn't give me a read either way.

I really don't like her 176 though.

I also don't like SpyreX trying to link Battousai with myself. Try this on for size then, Battousai is my number two pick to lynch behind Zazie. Did I just blow your mind?

There's a couple of things that have rung as scummy here. First is how you go middle of the road for a claimed role, but leave room for her to be lynched if you get the support by saying you don't like one of her posts. Basically you said, "I have no read, yet she has acted scummy."

Then, the way you word your last paragraph, it seems like you only suspect me so Spyrex won't suspect you.

[Goatrevolt]

DDD is my strongest town read.

[forbiddanlight]

If my meta (which is a little outdated) on FL is correct, she is pretty obv-town at this point. IIRC she is a little more cautious as scum and more reckless as town.

Or Chaotic Stupid

I would appreciate the aforeaskedfor elaboration.

[Patrick]

DDD is my strongest town read.

Can you explain this read? I wasn't keen on most of his 188 either.

More from me tomorrow when I get time after work. I think the bellhop claim is more likely to be town, and can confirm that FL is reckless as town =/

[forbiddanlight]

More from me tomorrow when I get time after work. I think the bellhop claim is more likely to be town, and can confirm that FL is reckless as town =/

sorry! I can't help it!

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I could subscribe to this newsletter.

In fact I think I will.

Unvote, Vote DDD

Right now I'm wishing upon you the worst thing possible, and right now that seems like it's be playing another game with you. So why don't you go create an alt and go play a game with yourself.

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So... you kind of avoided posting your thoughts on if this was a town or scum tell here. This almost looks like you lean scum tell which is really interesting.

With the proposed plans a believed claim seems like it's almost a free pass to LYLO so I'm naturally dubious.

So if you had to choose which one is it?

Probably town, I don't have a meta on FL, but aggressive to that degree is more often town than scum.

Also elaborate on 176.

It looks like cheap suspicion to me. Sure your boredom and disinterest due to not enjoying breaking a setup is anti-town, but I'm not seeing the jump from anti-town to scummy in this case.

[forbiddanlight]

It looks like cheap suspicion to me. Sure your boredom and disinterest due to not enjoying breaking a setup is anti-town, but I'm not seeing the jump from anti-town to scummy in this case.

See, this is where we disagree. It's not so much he doesn't enjoy breaking the set up, it's the fact he barely put forth any effort to get us "scumhunting" as he says whereas I'd expect a townie to be more active.

[SpyreX]

@Goat:

Why is DDD your greatest town read?

@DDD:

Hold up a sec. No reason at all to get personal. I've got no beef with you at all.

In fact that line seems way over the top in general.

[Lord Gurgi]

I don't think DDD's reaction to SpyreX is town. I'm surprised that PJ/Flay hasn't stepped in yet.

[Goatrevolt]

The reaction to SpyreX is definitely over the top and unnecessary, but I don't see why it's scummy.

Gurgi, why is it scummy?

As for why I believe DDD to be town:

1.

It is now Pre-Game. Roles that can night-talk can talk with each other during this time. The game will begin on August 10.

DDD was absent from the game and wasn't aware that it had begun. Considering the scum were allowed to night-talk with each other during that period, I think this is a definite town tell.

2. Post 30

and more recently:

3. Post 201

[TDC]

Lord Gurgi:

I changed my mind about the bellhop claim before fl actually claimed, so not sure what you mean, can you specify?

I'm still not really in favour of a colour claim.

Still interested what exactly I supposedly changed my mind about.

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With the proposed plans a believed claim seems like it's almost a free pass to LYLO so I'm naturally dubious.

In fact, my plan, which she explicitly mentioned when claiming, includes lynching her.

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GR:
So basically, DDD is town for something that can easily be faked and because Zazie and Batt are scum?

[Goatrevolt]

GR:
So basically, DDD is town for something that can easily be faked and because Zazie and Batt are scum?

Sure, it's possible for him to fake that, but it's simpler and more likely to assume that he isn't.

And yeah, if my top two scum picks are both pushing the same wagon I feel pretty comfortable in saying it's not going to hit scum.

[TDC]

I understand that and it would be decent argument if they were dead scum.
Where I can't follow is how you're so sure about them both being scum that you base your read on another player on it and want to stop the wagon on him.
Do you think your argument would still make sense if only one of Zazie/Batt was scum?

[Goatrevolt]

I understand that and it would be decent argument if they were dead scum.
Where I can't follow is how you're so sure about them both being scum that you base your read on another player on it and want to stop the wagon on him.

I will often dynamically base my reads on players based on what I expect other players alignments to be. I'm not sure that Zazie or Batt are scum, but until I have reason to think otherwise, I'm going to not want to lynch anyone that they are both pressuring.

Do you think your argument would still make sense if only one of Zazie/Batt was scum?

I do. I don't think either Zazie or Batt fit well as scum with DDD.

Why would Zazie jump start the wagon on her scum buddy that early when there was no reason to do so?

Why would Batt throw himself out there early to slow down the DDD wagon, but then start pressuring DDD himself later when the wagon resurfaces?

[Mr. Flay]

I'm surprised that PJ/Flay hasn't stepped in yet.

Why would I step in? We WANT you to kill each other... preferably before September 1st, if you can manage it. That said, there's no reason to be barbaric about it. I think Mr. Wilson has provided you with quite a reasonable method of executing each other according to his wishes without going outside the rules.

1.)

Be civil.

- The Management

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

With the proposed plans a believed claim seems like it's almost a free pass to LYLO so I'm naturally dubious.

In fact, my plan, which she explicitly mentioned when claiming, includes lynching her.

Good point, my hypothetical objection would be that there wasn't a consensus on your plan at the time so maybe FL was hoping to use it for it's benefits but not it's disadvantages. However, that does strike me as unlikely so I think you're right.

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Sure, it's possible for him to fake that, but it's simpler and more likely to assume that he isn't.

We have a winner.

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It's been over a week since Zazie posted anything resembling game related content.

[Lord Gurgi]

TDC: It seemed like you were pushing against it for the sake of doing so should it fail, then when it went too far to stop, you were rushing to get on. It's opportunistic.

Goat: There is an intangible line that one can cross when you get angry and I feel that the sudden and extreme response he made crossed that line. Why he would get angry at Spyrex alone and not everyone attacking him makes me think something's up as well.

[Battousai]

Why would Batt throw himself out there early to slow down the DDD wagon, but then start pressuring DDD himself later when the wagon resurfaces?

I felt the DDD wagon was based on nothing, literally nothing, and wanted all players to get a chance to post before being wagoned. He posted since then, so I feel I am allowed to call him scummy or townie now.


Also, when I have more time, I'll give my stance on LF's lack of scumhunting to get people to do it instead of focusing on the setup. From what I recall, LF actually did try to scumhunt, but just gave up during the setup discussion. I will have to reread a few pages to confirm though.

[Goatrevolt]

Gurgi: Your crossing intangible lines metaphor is lost on me. Can only scum cross this "intangible" line in how they react? I still don't get how it's scummy.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Goat: There is an intangible line that one can cross when you get angry and I feel that the sudden and extreme response he made crossed that line. Why he would get angry at Spyrex alone and not everyone attacking him makes me think something's up as well.

I'm not in multiple games with other people, I'll leave it at that.

[Lord Gurgi]

It's not a metaphor, I mean I can't tell you where the line is, but I know when people cross it.

DDD, as far as I know, it's against site rules to carry grudges from game to game.

[Goatrevolt]

Only scum cross this proposed line?

[Nuwen]

Unvote, vote Lord Gurgi

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[Lord Gurgi]

I think it's scummy to cross it so suddenly. If it were a long and gradual build up, it's a null-tell barring a special meta.