MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (fl's subgame): Game Over

[Kairyuu]

"You wouldn't live very long after my flip if you shot me"

??? I thought you meant you were a bomb or something.

I was attempting to convey that you would be lynched rather quickly if you shot me once people saw my roleflip. Sorry if I worded it badly.

[Sajin]

Off topic- Wild Pair.dec was so much fun, agreed.

On topic- So...I swapped zazier. It was that or the graveyard with me, apologies. So the topic of discussion for most of today was moot for me. I knew what happened. Also, I was not responsible for any other swapping or adding.

And yes I had no idea. I pressured Kairyuu because I found him scummy.

@Spyrex- Others like me. I am not responsible for all the swapping and I think they will have similar role names to mine. If they are town.

@Kairyuu- Does not mean I have not read your scum play. Sorry, but that was the best way to try and catch you. I could not post in the other thread and pressure my other large suspect (veerus) and no one so far has been reading cross threads but I had a scum read on you so I figured it was worth the shot. How would you play against someone you thought was scum, kinda tried to buddy you at the end of the day, and then you were attempted to be killed (seriously go read the thread, you defended me). I am not giving up the idea that you could be scum yet. But my suspicions have lessened. Take it or leave it.

@Porkens- I don't know why you would waste the shot...but hey, go for it.

And porkens- I had reason behind why I asked what I asked. You are just blatantly role-fishing at this point.

[Porkens]

And yes I had no idea. I pressured Kairyuu because I found him scummy.

And porkens- I had reason behind why I asked what I asked. You are just blatantly role-fishing at this point.

hooow do you reconcile these two statements? You were pulling stuff out of your ass, basically, and get on my case when I question it?

[Sajin]

I explained how I thought a certain answer would be scum.

How would him answering the question you asked help town? It would not. Thats the difference.

[SpyreX]

If you're gonna try to lynch me, then try to lynch me. You don't get my claim until then. Also, I'm having far too much fun making the best out of the mess that Sajin landed me in to stop now.

I'm not sure what you're hoping to get by taunting me. There is no try. There is only do. The rivers, nay, the whole universe will quake when I gather my ALLIANCE back from the stars above and the graves themselves to turn you and your empire into rubble.

Back up your points. The assertion itself means nothing without evidence.

You pair o' scums get shoved into this game, be it by your own powa's or by someone elses.

Sajin then goes "I saw you target me before we came here."
You then say "No, I totally did this other thing that is unknowable. YOU HATH OUTED A POWER ROLE."
He then says "Ohh, yea, it was all a lol, gambit. My bad."
You go "Ohh no biggie. Just means you can't be scum. Tea for everyone."

The tricky bit is the fact this gambit-that-wasn't a gambit is wrapped in a true gambit: both of you coming into this game where we've been stomping the universe are naturally suspect. Thus, throwing yourselves into a situation where it doesn't natrually add up for you being scum together (because a bus would be WAY too obvious) sets it up so one death "clears" the other.

Except, well, none of it makes sense. Not the way you two reacted to each other, not the secret-club handshake you gave him after he outed you, not the lamentation over OUTING A PR and then repeatedly using said PR as the bringer of doom if any would dare touch you.

In fact, the threat itself makes little sense considering you're under little pressure and if you thought, actually thought that we were scum and you had some kinda powers you'd aim for getting hit. Maybe by faking something more awesome than the cop we got out.

Instead of playing preservation.

@Porkens: Huh? How can I kill scum on my own. I targetted Mastin last Night, and he's not dead, so my ability is obviously not a kill. Are you trying to infer that I'm a vig or something?

Except, see, you could be lying? Ya know, the point of the game and all.

Preview Edit:

I was attempting to convey that you would be lynched rather quickly if you shot me once people saw my roleflip. Sorry if I worded it badly.

What?

What?

[Porkens]

I explained how I thought a certain answer would be scum.

ummm, would that be the answer "I didn't target you"? Cause a vanilla would say that, too.

You go "Ohh no biggie. Just means you can't be scum.

Tea for everyone

."

I loled.

What?

What?

HEY, stop rolefishing.


goodnight.

[Sajin]

I explained how I thought a certain answer would be scum.

ummm, would that be the answer "I didn't target you"? Cause a vanilla would say that, too.

You go "Ohh no biggie. Just means you can't be scum.

Tea for everyone

."

I loled.

What?

What?

HEY, stop rolefishing.


goodnight.

Oh no! Porkens just insinuated he is going to kill spyrex! Whatever are we to do!

In seriousness: Answer my last question, don't pick and choose.

[Porkens]

In seriousness: Answer my last question, don't pick and choose.

in all seriousness; what question?

[Kairyuu]

@Sajin: I defended you on principle in the other subgame. Regardless of your and Pyro's alignments, that attack was based on some of the worst logic I've seen in a while. I would have defended my top suspect against it.

Also, to answer your question, I'd go back and build a case. If the wagon wasn't forming then I'd just keep pushing until I got the lynch or the scum shut me up. That's the way I do things.

@SpyreX: You're really fun to screw with, you know that? Your reactions are so funny to watch. I'll lay it out plain for you.

1. I do not think that you or Porkens is scum.
2. I do not think that Sajin is scum.
3. I do not want the scum to have any idea what to do with me, since my behavior at the moment is so erratic.
4. I do not really care what anyone in this game thinks of me right at this moment.
5. In all likelyhood, I will calm straight down once Night ends and I don't have to worry about confusing the hell out of the scum.
6. You'll get your fullclaim at daybreak. Doesn't matter if I'm alive or dead, you'll get it.

Is that clear enough for you? Hopefully the last point will be enough to hold you for like 36 hours.

[Kairyuu]

Edit:

Is that clear enough for you? Hopefully the last point will be enough to hold you for like

65

hours.

[SpyreX]

Why would your role give a full flip of your abilities when others haven't?

I....

You...

What?

As an aside I put on the tinfoilest of hats (Quag is a rolecop not a cop) but then it doesn't add up right.

I'm trying to puzzle my way through this. Especially considering mechanics.

This game had at most 1 scum at start.

Zazier - ?
Mufasa - ?
SpyreX - Awesome
Quagmire - Cop
Porkens - ?
SocioPath - ?
Zito - ?
Flava Flave - Hitman (Neutral)
populartajo - Vanilla
jammer - SK
Debonair Danny DePietro - Neutral
Yosarian2 - Survivor

So, with flips we have one PR, two SKs and two Neutrals.

If one assumes that at least one of the switching powers is scum and an actual in-game scum "group" then we have an all but unwinnable for town day 2 possibility: SK kills town, SK kills town, Neutral leaves, Scum swap a town for a scum, Scum kills town. That'd be town down FIVE players total. No way.

So, either the switching is not scum or scum started weak in this game.. or both but that hurts the brain.

Actually, most of this game hurts the brain. I can't get not paranoid. Mufasa reeks of godfather. I STILL could see a Quag-rolecop / Zaz (something) setup where they were counting on another game to give escape. Then there is the Kai/Saj Boston Teaparty. And sociopath dropping off the radar after day1gate. And budja kinda chillaxin'.

And Zito, dear sweet Zito, taken away.

With Tajo dead that leaves only Porkens that has the town cologne on.

Besides me, of course, the bottler, manufacturer and patent holder of said cologne.

So, I've gotta give benefit of the doubt. If Quag rolecopped jammer and got a flip well gg for now. Which -kinda- clears some of the zaz suspcion.

There will never be an explanation for Mufasa.

So, back to you three.

Sajin's gambit seems to have only negative town outcomes.
Kai just lol'reactioned me.
Budja is chillaxin' too much.

It HAS to be you three.
HAS to.

If all three of you are town I'll, in fact, eat said hats.

[SpyreX]

And with that, goodnight.

[Budja]

I believe that the original scum, or all least one of, is still in the game.
I find it hard to believe that the SK was the only real scum, (Flava being a neutral albeit an pretty anti-town one).

Of the arrivals, I would see Kaiyruu as the most likely scum. Sajin's claim sounds believable to me and I see him as town/neutral.

[Quagmire]

Guys... I'm not a rolecop. I'm an alignment cop.

[Sajin]

@ Tars thread!!!!

Please post my role in Tars thread. Thank you.

[Porkens]

Guys... I'm not a rolecop. I'm an alignment cop.

that's not what my tinfoil hat says, either.

[forbiddanlight]

Yeah yeah, day begins soon. Probably should hold off on it til Tar sorts out his thing

[Kairyuu]

Now sounds like a really good time to add more info.

Pyro is innocent 100%. If I die he will tell you the rest. Everything he says will be true.

[Sajin]

@Zito- I hate those this early. In case you have not noticed I am in ANOTHER PLANE. If/when you read this post my role. Thanks.

@Kairyuu- That is puzzling to me.

[Kairyuu]

@Pyro: You'll only get stuff if/when I die.

[Sajin]

Did pyro full claim earlier or not? Eh I guess the answer to that question can wait till tomorrow. Even if its pyro who has to answer.

[Kairyuu]

@Sajin: Yep. I'm reasonably certain Pyro full-claimed. This whole thing is entirely me. Has nothing to do with him.

[Porkens]

I'm gunna stop hitting F5 for a while at this point.

See you in the morning.

[Kairyuu]

-poke-

We cans has daytiem nao?

[Porkens]

-poke-

We cans has daytiem nao?

youd like that wouldnt you