mini 814: OVER!

[ODDin]

There's a difference between not hurting one's feelings and being extremely, overly nice. You must realise that Kitty's behaviour can look like buddying. She admitted it herself.
Of course, different people have different playstyles - that's why I asked her to provide a game where she was town and talked in the same way, to see if this is indeed a matter of playstyle and not an attempt at buddying. Seeing that she indeed acted talked in a similar manner in that other game, it seems that this is, indeed, her way of talking generally, and thus the argument on buddying becomes almost a null-tell.
Without her providing such evidence, it would've remained, in my eyes, a valid argument against her.

Frankly, I don't see what you find odd about this. Wouldn't you, without any prior info on a player, see the a statement along the lines of "your argument is so smart, I never would've thought of that" as a possible attempt at buddying?

And, you're still avoding to answer my question: what do you think of my "slip"? And how come you haven't commented on it before, seeing that I'm one of your top suspects?

[ODDin]

There's a difference between not hurting one's feelings and being extremely, overly nice. You must realise that Kitty's behaviour can look like buddying. She admitted it herself.
Of course, different people have different playstyles - that's why I asked her to provide a game where she was town and talked in the same way, to see if this is indeed a matter of playstyle and not an attempt at buddying. Seeing that she indeed acted talked in a similar manner in that other game, it seems that this is, indeed, her way of talking generally, and thus the argument on buddying becomes almost a null-tell.
Without her providing such evidence, it would've remained, in my eyes, a valid argument against her.

Frankly, I don't see what you find odd about this. Wouldn't you, without any prior info on a player, see the a statement along the lines of "your argument is so smart, I never would've thought of that" as a possible attempt at buddying?

And, you're still avoiding to answer my question: what do you think of my "slip"? And how come you haven't commented on it before, seeing that I'm one of your top suspects?

[MiteyMouse]

I would not find that odd at all actually....that is something that I do. Kitty is a nice girl and so am I. I've been throwing around compliments since I replaced in and you have not jumped on me yet.

Your slip...well, I'm not sure if it was a slip. Many people comment on tomorrow in games. It's a null tell to me.

[ODDin]

I don't suspect you of buddying because you aren't really "throwing compliments around". You're exchanging compliments with Kitty, and this seems to be mutual, so it doesn't really raise my suspicion.
Of course, you

could

be using the fact that you know Kitty against her, seeing that she thinks highly of you, and thus lull her into a false sense of security. However, if you wanted to do that, you probably wouldn't have listed her as one of your main suspects - especially seeing that she isn't a popular candidate in the suspect lists of people.

Bottom line, no, your conversation with Kitty haven't raised my suspicion at all.

[mykonian]

the circle, votecount

KittyMo

replaces MonkeyMan576

(0):
Droideka_11:

vanilla towny

killed night 1
ODDin (0):
Spinach (0):

vanilla towny

lynched day 2
MiteyMouse

replaces Fluffy who replaced DOESnotWANT

(0):
Locke Lamora (0):

town tracker

killed night 2
Tarballs

replaces Claramata

(0):
Henrz (0):
Starbuck:

Mafia Silencer

lynched day 1

not voting (5): ODDin, KittyMo, Henrz, MiteyMouse, Tarballs

[MiteyMouse]

That is the game of WiFoM isn't it ODDin?

[ODDin]

The second paragraph is somewhat WIFOMy, yes, although I really only need the first paragraph in order to say that I don't find your conversation with Kitty suspicious.

[KittyMo]

I recognize that I am too nice sometimes, but that is indeed just a personality downfall, it doesn't involve my alignment.

Mykonian - no post from Hernz in thread for 11 days. May we pleeeease get a replacement?

Having no Hernz is getting really detrimental to the game.

[MiteyMouse]

I recognize that I am too nice sometimes, but that is indeed just a personality downfall, it doesn't involve my alignment.

Mykonian - no post from Hernz in thread for 11 days. May we pleeeease get a replacement?

Having no Hernz is getting really detrimental to the game.

Kitty...being nice and sweet is NOT a personality downfall. It will get you lynched a lot in mafia but, once people learn your meta it will be fine. Stay sweet little Kitty!

I have to agree with Henrz not being here. We need him to proceed...perhaps some pressure?

Vote Henrz

[KittyMo]

Somehow I doubt someone who has been gone for 11 days will come back just because they got voted...

[MiteyMouse]

I know but, it's worth a shot.

[Tarballs]

I don't think anyone but you thought that Henrz was attempting to stall the game, or that his actions would stall the game. He himself stated the exact opposite several times. People either agreed with him, or accused him because of self-voting, not because they thought his actions will stall the game. So, I really can't see how you could think that his actions can be seen as an attempt to stall the game.

My first impression was that he was stalling the game, then I thought about it for a while and realized that he just wanted attention to himself, which would then help us all get the discussion going.

I mean, really, in what scenario would his self-vote stall the game?

The game had already stalled when he made his self-voting post. It added no content to the game, and it wasn't scumhunting either, so therefore it can be seen as further stalling of the game.


We really need Henrz here

badly

. With the search function not working, it's impossible to say if he's lurking of if he's disappeared from the site completely, but I think it's the latter one.

[mykonian]

He hasn't picked up his prod. I will try to find a replament, but not today

[MiteyMouse]

I'd like to hear from Henrz or replacement before I proceed further.

Myk...I probably won't be around for the weekend.

[Henrz]

Whoops... I really suck at this activeness... Sorry... Really sorry, but I had some uber power cut like 5 days ago that lasted ages, so yeah, you wanted me?

[Tarballs]

Hi. Who is scum?

[mykonian]

I'd like to hear from Henrz or replacement before I proceed further.

Myk...I probably won't be around for the weekend.

don't worry, I wouldn't notice. I am also not here that often

[KittyMo]

It's great that you're here, Hernz, BUT WE NEED CONTENT. NAOOOOO

[KittyMo]

Vote: Hernz

This is getting ridiculous. Either play or replace out.

[KittyMo]

Also, that's L-1, so NO ONE VOTE. I'm just trying to get Hernz to say something useful.

[KittyMo]

Tarballs, since you can daytalk to Hernz, please prod Hernz. Except do it like 10 times, please.

[Tarballs]

Eh, I don't like spamming so one time should be sufficient. Besides, I can see if he's read my prod or not. That should already tell us whether he's lurking or completely disappeared again.

[MiteyMouse]

Oh Kitty...do we really want no one to vote further? Henrz is not responding despite the prods and stuff. I'm trying not to be frustrated with it but, it is getting to me.

[mykonian]

I am going to search for a replacement for Hernz, it seems the best to me

[ODDin]

MiteyMouse: The frustration is understandable, but the question we need to ask ourselves is, do we really think he's scum? Frankly, his behaviour doesn't seem like scum behaviour to me. Sure, scum tend to lurk, but this is too much - they don't lurk to the point they're about to be replaced. So, it seems to me his current absence is a null tell. Thus, lynching him based on that isn't productive and doesn't help the town.