So, we should just keep all opinions about the Night to ourselves? What is wrong about putting out how I think about the night and getting opinions on it?Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:Vote: Battousai
The NK speculation really chafes me the wrong way.
/in-Vitational Game 5, Simon Mafia 2: Game Over before 832
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I'm pretty pro-NK speculation. Mostly because it pisses me off when I wail on a scumbag, get killed, and everyone is like "oh WIFOM". Danny, what scum motive does he have?
What does that actually mean? I was town last time. Whilst I agree that my town and scum play look perfectly identical and it's totally fruitless to try and read me, it's no fun when people don't try.Lord Gurgi wrote:None really. I just figured. When I played with you last it didn't seem like anything you said had anything to do with your personal interests.
What is "the rest of the play"? My interpretation was she showed up for the deadline and slouched off again... I don't really see the dislike.SpyreX wrote:The method and timing of jumping to your defense + the rest of the play. I wish I could quantify it better but being on the low end of contribution and then hard-lining on you to drift back into nothingness is blah.Succinctness is pro-town.
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Elmoo: It means that from what I got of your internal thought, it didn't seem like when you posted you were thinking about someone of your alignment should say. It was just what you thought.(11:26:07 PM) thesheamuffin: I'm counting gurgi because I would probably make out with him if I were drunk enough-
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I find little use in NK speculation because there are simply too many options. Was Patrick killed because he simply looked the most town, because of who he suspected, or maybe scum was just hunting power roles. All are viable options and I think it's a bit dubious that a townie would assume to know exactly what scum was thinking. And even if we're assuming it was because of who he suspected then it's there's some serious WIFOM involved in the entire situation. Thus I doubt it's use in scumhunting, but it looks busy and can obviously be twisted to suspect townies.
Additionally, in my admittedly limited experience with those who speculate about NKs they were more often scum than not.-
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It's sometimes quite useful. I don't think it's hugely useful here, since Patrick is a good kill regardless.
Danny, you don't think this is true enough to be even slightly useful? I really can't see this kind of analysis as intrinsically scummy.Battousai wrote:Less probable that FL, Goat, or Gurgi would want Patrick dead, as a player that has marked you as townie is an asset.
Also, SpyreX: you remember last game, with me and Artem? How the specific defence itself different, apart from her pattern of activity?
vote tdcSuccinctness is pro-town.
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Not really useful, no. As someone else noted (I think) there's at least three scum. It's certainly possible that two of them overrode the third's opinion and it's possible that was a factor the scum didn't even consider (it's not something I really consider as scum until end game type situations). And that's in addition to the possibilities listed previously.Elmo wrote:It's sometimes quite useful. I don't think it's hugely useful here, since Patrick is a good kill regardless.
Danny, you don't think this is true enough to be even slightly useful? I really can't see this kind of analysis as intrinsically scummy.Battousai wrote:Less probable that FL, Goat, or Gurgi would want Patrick dead, as a player that has marked you as townie is an asset.
It's like trying to put together a puzzle where you have three times as many pieces as you need and half of all the pieces are blank. It's a fool's errand.-
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Depends on what is said. What you said doesn't seem scummy per se, just useless.
Does anyone else find that even talking about the NK is scummy?"Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Official Day Two Vote Count #2
2 Nuwen (forbiddanlight, SpyreX)
1 Battousai (Debonair Danny DiPietro)
1 LlamaFluff (Lord Gurgi)
1 TDC (Elmo)
With10alive, it takes6to lynch and4to lynch at deadline. Deadline is September 22, 9:59 pm CDT.
Not Voting – 5 – Battousai, Goatrevolt, LlamaFluff, Nuwen, TDC
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I'm back from being gone this weekend and should have more time to dedicate here.
I'm pro-NK speculation. I hate when I peg scum and get killed and people just brush it aside. It's useful to try to figure out the most plausible reason someone was killed. I've never understood the argument that you shouldn't discuss the NK and that it's anti-town to do so. Why? Scum kill for a reason, can we not try to figure out that reason?
In this case, I think that reason is simply that Patrick looked pro-town and not that he was killed to get off someone's back. By the end of the day he had semi-backed off Elmo, who was really the only player he pushed with any vigor during the day.-
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I really don't see how if you did what you were supposed to do, bringing this up would've been a good idea in the first place..forbiddanlight wrote:It's possibly implied, but I respectfully ask that that layer of WIFOM be maintained for the time being.
Anyway,Lock: Green.
No issue with Batt's speculation, though I too think Patrick being killed for repuatation is most likely.
Are you the new Fluff, or is there anything behind this?Elmo wrote:vote tdc-
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Well, that was an error, so we have to maintain the illusion to make it less of an error.
I really don't see how if you did what you were supposed to do, bringing this up would've been a good idea in the first place.."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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So. I should be getting access back in a week, maybe on the weekend if im lucky. If I havent gotten replaced by then I will be back and posting reguarly. Untill then I will try and sneak in what I can at work, but still am going to stay 'on the replace list' untill then, since coming back with three days untill deadline doesnt sound great.
Also its come to my attention that Batt is very likely town. It also would be nice to hear from LG since I addressed what he brought up but its been ignored with no vote movement.-
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Not really.. I figure everyone else seems at least slightly townish.TDC wrote:Are you the new Fluff, or is there anything behind this?
Oh, oh, I know, I know!SpyreX wrote:I'm not sure why this game is like slogging through molasses.Succinctness is pro-town.
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How about we just quicklynch her (yanno, like you all did everyone in my MtG: subgame. Seriously, those were some fast lynches)
I'd love to see some Nu in here."Never have I seen anybody glorify their own lynch."
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Oh, I think you do know.
Forbiddan is cult leader. She and her bellhop buddies gather late at night in dark meeting places to discuss all kinds of secretive information. They also do a superb job helping you transport your luggage to and from your room. It's a dirty operation.
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Just so everyone knows where I stand right now, my primary suspicion is on Nuwen.
No, the NK discussion/analysis isn't the reason, but it does support Nuwen as being scum.
The reason I find Nuwen suspicious is her defence of Elmo yesterday. I'll elaborate on it more when Nuwen gets here/I have more time.
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