/in-Vitational Game 5, Simon Mafia 2: Game Over before 832

[Battousai]

Vote: Battousai

The NK speculation really chafes me the wrong way.

So, we should just keep all opinions about the Night to ourselves? What is wrong about putting out how I think about the night and getting opinions on it?

[Lord Gurgi]

My computer is being sent off for repairs. It is a PC-o-garbage. I will be on heavy LA as a result.

[Elmo]

I'm pretty pro-NK speculation. Mostly because it pisses me off when I wail on a scumbag, get killed, and everyone is like "oh WIFOM". Danny, what scum motive does he have?

None really. I just figured. When I played with you last it didn't seem like anything you said had anything to do with your personal interests.

What does that actually mean? I was town last time. Whilst I agree that my town and scum play look perfectly identical and it's totally fruitless to try and read me, it's no fun when people don't try.

The method and timing of jumping to your defense + the rest of the play. I wish I could quantify it better but being on the low end of contribution and then hard-lining on you to drift back into nothingness is blah.

What is "the rest of the play"? My interpretation was she showed up for the deadline and slouched off again... I don't really see the dislike.

[Lord Gurgi]

Elmoo: It means that from what I got of your internal thought, it didn't seem like when you posted you were thinking about someone of your alignment should say. It was just what you thought.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I find little use in NK speculation because there are simply too many options. Was Patrick killed because he simply looked the most town, because of who he suspected, or maybe scum was just hunting power roles. All are viable options and I think it's a bit dubious that a townie would assume to know exactly what scum was thinking. And even if we're assuming it was because of who he suspected then it's there's some serious WIFOM involved in the entire situation. Thus I doubt it's use in scumhunting, but it looks busy and can obviously be twisted to suspect townies.

Additionally, in my admittedly limited experience with those who speculate about NKs they were more often scum than not.

[Elmo]

It's sometimes quite useful. I don't think it's hugely useful here, since Patrick is a good kill regardless.

Less probable that FL, Goat, or Gurgi would want Patrick dead, as a player that has marked you as townie is an asset.

Danny, you don't think this is true enough to be even slightly useful? I really can't see this kind of analysis as intrinsically scummy.

Also, SpyreX: you remember last game, with me and Artem? How the specific defence itself different, apart from her pattern of activity?

vote tdc

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

It's sometimes quite useful. I don't think it's hugely useful here, since Patrick is a good kill regardless.

Less probable that FL, Goat, or Gurgi would want Patrick dead, as a player that has marked you as townie is an asset.

Danny, you don't think this is true enough to be even slightly useful? I really can't see this kind of analysis as intrinsically scummy.

Not really useful, no. As someone else noted (I think) there's at least three scum. It's certainly possible that two of them overrode the third's opinion and it's possible that was a factor the scum didn't even consider (it's not something I really consider as scum until end game type situations). And that's in addition to the possibilities listed previously.

It's like trying to put together a puzzle where you have three times as many pieces as you need and half of all the pieces are blank. It's a fool's errand.

[SpyreX]

The "rest of the play" being the absence of, really.

And, the difference between here and there IS the level of contribution and the stance itself.

[Battousai]

DDD: Just because you find little use for it, doesn't mean anyone who likes to use it is scum.

Does anyone else find that even talking about the NK is scummy?

[forbiddanlight]

Does anyone else find that even talking about the NK is scummy?

Depends on what is said. What you said doesn't seem scummy per se, just useless.

[petroleumjelly]

Official Day Two Vote Count #2

2 Nuwen (forbiddanlight, SpyreX)
1 Battousai (Debonair Danny DiPietro)
1 LlamaFluff (Lord Gurgi)
1 TDC (Elmo)

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch and

4

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is September 22, 9:59 pm CDT.

Not Voting – 5 – Battousai, Goatrevolt, LlamaFluff, Nuwen, TDC

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LOCK COUNT

7 – Green (forbiddanlight, SpyreX, Lord Gurgi, Battousai, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Nuwen, Goatrevolt)
0 – Blue
0 – Red
0 – Yellow

Not Locking – 3 – Elmo, LlamaFluff, TDC

At nightfall, the floor to be locked is: GREEN.

[Goatrevolt]

I'm back from being gone this weekend and should have more time to dedicate here.

I'm pro-NK speculation. I hate when I peg scum and get killed and people just brush it aside. It's useful to try to figure out the most plausible reason someone was killed. I've never understood the argument that you shouldn't discuss the NK and that it's anti-town to do so. Why? Scum kill for a reason, can we not try to figure out that reason?

In this case, I think that reason is simply that Patrick looked pro-town and not that he was killed to get off someone's back. By the end of the day he had semi-backed off Elmo, who was really the only player he pushed with any vigor during the day.

[TDC]

It's possibly implied, but I respectfully ask that that layer of WIFOM be maintained for the time being.

I really don't see how if you did what you were supposed to do, bringing this up would've been a good idea in the first place..

Anyway,

Lock: Green

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No issue with Batt's speculation, though I too think Patrick being killed for repuatation is most likely.

vote tdc

Are you the new Fluff, or is there anything behind this?

[forbiddanlight]

I really don't see how if you did what you were supposed to do, bringing this up would've been a good idea in the first place..

Well, that was an error, so we have to maintain the illusion to make it less of an error.

[SpyreX]

Looking at the NK is fine. When that is the majority of your talking points for the day it is not.

That's the difference between scummy and useful.

[LlamaFluff]

So. I should be getting access back in a week, maybe on the weekend if im lucky. If I havent gotten replaced by then I will be back and posting reguarly. Untill then I will try and sneak in what I can at work, but still am going to stay 'on the replace list' untill then, since coming back with three days untill deadline doesnt sound great.

Also its come to my attention that Batt is very likely town. It also would be nice to hear from LG since I addressed what he brought up but its been ignored with no vote movement.

[Lord Gurgi]

You didn't address it. I kept bringing up the same points and you apparently feel you answered them satisfactorily. I do not. There's nothing more to be done.

[SpyreX]

I'm not sure why this game is like slogging through molasses.

We need to pick it up, pronto like.

I'd love to see some Nu in here.

[Elmo]

Are you the new Fluff, or is there anything behind this?

Not really.. I figure everyone else seems at least slightly townish.

I'm not sure why this game is like slogging through molasses.

Oh, oh, I know, I know!

[forbiddanlight]

I'd love to see some Nu in here.

How about we just quicklynch her (yanno, like you all did everyone in my MtG: subgame. Seriously, those were some fast lynches)

[SpyreX]

So you're saying there is a cult here.

[forbiddanlight]

So you're saying there is a cult here.

Wouldn't know ^-^.

[Goatrevolt]

Oh, I think you do know.

Forbiddan is cult leader. She and her bellhop buddies gather late at night in dark meeting places to discuss all kinds of secretive information. They also do a superb job helping you transport your luggage to and from your room. It's a dirty operation.

Vote Nuwen

Where are you?

[Battousai]

My activity is going to be pretty limited for the next week or so. My laptop needs repaired. I'll probably be on once every other day until I can get it fixed. Sorry for the inconvience.

[Battousai]

Just so everyone knows where I stand right now, my primary suspicion is on Nuwen.

No, the NK discussion/analysis isn't the reason, but it does support Nuwen as being scum.

The reason I find Nuwen suspicious is her defence of Elmo yesterday. I'll elaborate on it more when Nuwen gets here/I have more time.