Newbie 838 (Game Over!)

[Nikanor]

@Mod: For whom was BlueRaven voting yesterday? Your final vote count lists him twice.

his final vote yesterday was for Ash

[Nikanor]

For one, I think that startransmission is pretty much cleared, thanks to the BS vote rusty put on him at the beginning of day one.
I'm going to look over voting patterns to see if I can find anything. Until then... wait, I guess.

[Nikanor]

Until then... wait, I guess.

Unless you actually want to do something. That's good, too.

[My Milked Eek]

Until then... wait, I guess.

Unless you actually want to do something. That's good, too.

Well, if you don't mind...

[purple princess]

Welcome to the game Nikanor.

VOTE Nikanor

Wow that was a quick lynch, and a very lucky one aswel. I think that it was a little unfortunate that Carrick16 asked for a replacement when he did, if he was david-villa-7's scum buddy surely he would have stuck up for him a little bit towards the end of the day, no one wants their scum buddy to be the first to lynched.
Also looking back on Carrick's post's I have noticed someting which unsettles me a bit.

Rustyshark - Extremely shaky first post which points towards him being a goon unless he has friggin aspergers syndrome.

Imo this seems like he is distancing himself towards Rusty/david saying that he must be scum so early on in the game, I guess if anything was going to be bought up later on in the game he could refer back to this that he had always had his suspicions towards his scum buddy.

Also I am guessing that RayFrost was night killed as it was only myself and him that had suspicions towards Carrick16, but as I had drawn a lot of attention to myself on day one, I would be #1 suspect for day 2 and would be pointless if I was dead.

[My Milked Eek]

Wow that was a quick lynch, and a very lucky one aswel.

Quick? We used up 18 of the 21 available days.

I think that it was a little unfortunate that Carrick16 asked for a replacement when he did, if he was david-villa-7's scum buddy surely he would have stuck up for him a little bit towards the end of the day, no one wants their scum buddy to be the first to lynched.

So, is this one of the reasons you're voting nikanor?

Also looking back on Carrick's post's I have noticed someting which unsettles me a bit.

Rustyshark - Extremely shaky first post which points towards him being a goon unless he has friggin aspergers syndrome.

Imo this seems like he is distancing himself towards Rusty/david saying that he must be scum so early on in the game, I guess if anything was going to be bought up later on in the game he could refer back to this that he had always had his suspicions towards his scum buddy.

Let me go out on a limb here and assume that he didn't mean "goon" as in "mafia goon" but as in idiot. Keep grasping.

Also I am guessing that RayFrost was night killed as it was only myself and him that had suspicions towards Carrick16, but as I had drawn a lot of attention to myself on day one, I would be #1 suspect for day 2 and would be pointless if I was dead.

Wrong again, I too suspected carrick16. Not as much as I suspected you, ash or blue. Also, can you point out the post(s) where RayFrost accused carrick? Or to put it better, where he suspected carrick more than Blue/ash.

[purple princess]

Also, just notced that rustyshark's vote in RVS is for Carrick, maybe nothing but the reason for voting for him seems a little odd to me.

Vote: Carrick16

for trying to make it look like you're

not

trying too hard.

Maybe nothing, But I am unsure why you would say something like that, it reads to me as he is saying try not to lurk. kind of like a hidden message to his scum buddy.

@ MME, sorry, yes reading back other people have been suspicious towards Carrick16, I am just trying to find reasons to why RayFost was night killed, also sorry that you are so quick to disguard my ideas.

[My Milked Eek]

Also, just notced that rustyshark's vote in RVS is for Carrick, maybe nothing but the reason for voting for him seems a little odd to me.

Vote: Carrick16

for trying to make it look like you're

not

trying too hard.

Maybe nothing, But I am unsure why you would say something like that, it reads to me as he is saying try not to lurk. kind of like a hidden message to his scum buddy.

OR he could be saying that to reference this post:

vote RayFrost

for trying a bit too hard.

You sure use a lot of "if's" and "would have's" in your accusations towards the now-replaced carrick. It's ok to speculate about what could have happened, if it's relevant to the situation, but it's not ok if you base your whole (or most of it) suspicion of carrick/nikanor on it.

@ MME, sorry, yes reading back other people have been suspicious towards Carrick16, I am just trying to find reasons to why RayFost was night killed,

Meh. Useless speculation at this point. If you want to analyze nightkills, do it on a later day when killing patterns and scum motivations are more clear and present.

also sorry that you are so quick to disguard my ideas.

I'm bored. Sue me.

[My Milked Eek]

Maybe nothing, But I am unsure why you would say something like that,

it reads to me as he is saying try not to lurk.

kind of like a hidden message to his scum buddy.

Can't believe I overlooked:

Not to lurk? On page 2? When carrick's last post was made +-12 hours before that post?

[startransmission]

Ah, always nice to bag scum right off the bat. So we have a 50/50 chance of there being a cop and doctor.

If we have a cop, he should reveal himself now. We pretty much automatically win in that case, as the doc will protect him every night without fail.
The doctor SHOULD NOT CLAIM, however.

Welcome Nikanor. I have to disagree with you here. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think it's wise to give the mafia anymore info than necessary. If there is a cop then a claim should only be made when they are at L-1, or if they have a guilty result that would end the game.

I'm leaning towards MME and Tubby's opinions regarding PP. None of her arguments against Carrick have convinced me... and her vote against Nikanor rubs me the wrong way. I noted how she seemingly distanced herself from Ash when the votes started to go against him- though to be fair she was busy debating with MME.

I'm mostly concerned with Blue though. I don't like his vote, it seems he saw which way the wind was blowing, and wanted to avoid being the hammer. I usually analyze the L-2 vote more than the hammer, depending on circumstances. His reason for voting Blue was borrowed, he didn't really discuss or mention the Ash wagon before he voted for him, and in fact that post and most surrounding it are little more than fluff.

FoS: Blue Raven

It's worth noting that Ray (rip) while voting for Ash, also FoSed Blue in the same post. Blue never responded to that. Blue never really responds to anything. And 263 bugs me to no end.

[tubby216]

^i agree with your post. But i feel PP is the correct lynch for today, but we definately need to hear more from ray and we need to hear it soon

[PorkchopExpress]

pp's start of the day is not promising. So far she's tried to excuse he absence on a bandwagon by calling it a "quick lynch", gone out on a precarious limb, and tried to introduce WIFOM into the discussion.

I think that it was a little unfortunate that Carrick16 asked for a replacement when he did, if he was david-villa-7's scum buddy surely he would have stuck up for him a little bit towards the end of the day, no one wants their scum buddy to be the first to lynched.

This doesn't make any sense to me. You seem to be saying that it's unfortunate that Carrick asked for replacement because it suggests his not scum, and then you vote for that slot anyway.

[startransmission]

^i agree with your post. But i feel PP is the correct lynch for today, but we definately need to hear more from ray and we need to hear it soon

I'd like to hear more from Ray too, but I wouldn't hold your breath, Ray is dead.

[Nikanor]

Welcome Nikanor. I have to disagree with you here. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think it's wise to give the mafia anymore info than necessary. If there is a cop then a claim should only be made when they are at L-1, or if they have a guilty result that would end the game.

Actually, it's much better to have the cop claim at this point. Think of it this way: the cop investigates someone every night. Even if the doc dies tonight, if the cop saves his investigation until tomorrow, we'll have two confirmed innocents. How is that not beneficial?
The thing I'm worried about is that if we have a cop, he might not get doc protection and he might die before giving us his results. That's why I think it is better for the cop to claim now.

[Nikanor]

I just popped in to say that, now I'm going to bed.

[tubby216]

^i agree with your post. But i feel PP is the correct lynch for today, but we definately need to hear more from ray and we need to hear it soon

I'd like to hear more from Ray too, but I wouldn't hold your breath, Ray is dead.

sorry to many games and gawd damn ray is in all of them.

what i meant to say is i would like to hear from blue, damnit i suck

[PorkchopExpress]

Yeah, I'm not liking that Blue has dropped off the face of the earth since pp stuck her head out.

Vote: BlueRaven.

[BlueRaven]

Sorry guys, been realy busy recently. Im organising a party too. I'll get bk to you tomorrow or the day after.

[tubby216]

^le sigh

[PorkchopExpress]

As frustrating as it is, pp's silence is scummier.

[purple princess]

Sorry for my silence, but I don't really have much to add right now. I would like to ask Nikanor though, Please could you post your opinions on all players, also who you think is scum right now.

[startransmission]

Sorry guys, been realy busy recently. Im organising a party too. I'll get bk to you tomorrow or the day after.

Not holding my breath.

And Nikanor, I agree with PP. A LoS or something of the like would be helpful.

[purple princess]

Sorry guys, been realy busy recently. Im organising a party too. I'll get bk to you tomorrow or the day after.

If you don't have the time for this game, maybe you should ask for a replacement?

[PorkchopExpress]

Blue, pp has a point. If you can't actually make time for the game then you are doing a serious disservice to everyone else in it. Play or replace out.

[My Milked Eek]

Sorry for my silence, but I don't really have much to add right now. I would like to ask Nikanor though, Please could you post your opinions on all players, also who you think is scum right now.

Yeah, sure, you don't have to reply to post 307 and 308. It's not as if I directed those two posts solely at you.

Nice deflection onto Nikanor, though. I appreciate the move.

And do the same as you requested from Nikanor, because I do not see any opinion on your end at all.

Ah, always nice to bag scum right off the bat. So we have a 50/50 chance of there being a cop and doctor.

If we have a cop, he should reveal himself now. We pretty much automatically win in that case, as the doc will protect him every night without fail.
The doctor SHOULD NOT CLAIM, however.

Welcome Nikanor. I have to disagree with you here. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think it's wise to give the mafia anymore info than necessary. If there is a cop then a claim should only be made when they are at L-1, or if they have a guilty result that would end the game.

If there is a cop, then he

should

claim. It eliminates a player and an eventual other player. It also makes sure the doc will protect the cop during the night. The downside to this is that the scum knows who is cop and sub-sequentially who isn't the doc. This is a small sacrifice imo.

I'm leaning towards MME and Tubby's opinions regarding PP. None of her arguments against Carrick have convinced me... and her vote against Nikanor rubs me the wrong way. I noted how she seemingly distanced herself from Ash when the votes started to go against him- though to be fair she was busy debating with MME.

Doesn't mean anything unless it's proven that pp's attention span is really small.

I'm mostly concerned with Blue though. I don't like his vote, it seems he saw which way the wind was blowing, and wanted to avoid being the hammer. I usually analyze the L-2 vote more than the hammer, depending on circumstances. His reason for voting Blue was borrowed, he didn't really discuss or mention the Ash wagon before he voted for him, and in fact that post and most surrounding it are little more than fluff.

FoS: Blue Raven

It's worth noting that Ray (rip) while voting for Ash, also FoSed Blue in the same post. Blue never responded to that. Blue never really responds to anything. And 263 bugs me to no end.

It's not because Rayfrost is a townie, that he is right in his suspicions. But yes, we do need to hear from blue or he needs to replace.