I can see where MM is coming from on theDizzle wrote:That's an attack or an attempt to incriminate you?Manzcar wrote:Why does it matter Monkey what roles are out there?
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potentialimplication of this question. I do not read any sort of attack here, though. I likewise don't see any direct attempt to incriminate.-
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I didn't mean it was a direct attack. I meant that he was being over-antagonistic towards a player trying to get information that would be useful to the town.d3x wrote:
I can see where MM is coming from on theDizzle wrote:
That's an attack or an attempt to incriminate you?Manzcar wrote:Why does it matter Monkey what roles are out there?potentialimplication of this question. I do not read any sort of attack here, though. I likewise don't see any direct attempt to incriminate.-
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Wait. I just went back and reread this interaction and it went as follows...
p8 MM- 'No Scum Power Roles.'
p11 Manz- 'Why does it matter?'
p14 MM- 'This is why I think it matters.'
p15 MM- 'Vote Manz b/c you're concerned about the Town knowing the Scum make-up.'
*disclaimer- These are paraphrases
That doesn't look right to me. You just said that you Voted because he was being 'over-antagonistic towards a player'. To me it reads as a player asking for clarification. You Votedbeforehe made his supposedly scummy comments. Can you give me a bit more information about the initial Vote?-
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No, I don't think you get it.d3x wrote:Wait. I just went back and reread this interaction and it went as follows...
p8 MM- 'No Scum Power Roles.'
p11 Manz- 'Why does it matter?'
p14 MM- 'This is why I think it matters.'
p15 MM- 'Vote Manz b/c you're concerned about the Town knowing the Scum make-up.'
*disclaimer- These are paraphrases
That doesn't look right to me. You just said that you Voted because he was being 'over-antagonistic towards a player'. To me it reads as a player asking for clarification. You Votedbeforehe made his supposedly scummy comments. Can you give me a bit more information about the initial Vote?would be worried about theScumknowing about scum roles, which is what Manz expressed concern over. Town would be in favor of gaining scum-related information.town-
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He is attacking me because I asked a question. I asked because something seemed off to me. His response was quick and defensive and his vote was OMGUS. He is now trying to say I am scummy for asking a question on something that concerned me. To me asking questions is scum hunting not scummy. He is either a paranoid townie or a scum who feels that I am cornering him. I still haven't made up my mind.Scien wrote:@Manz
What are your current thoughts about Monkey's concerns? Do you think his swift attack/defense means something to you?
I wasn't trying to attack nor incriminate only find out whether the intent was town leaning or scum leaning in rolefishing. The response after is what caught my eye.d3x wrote:
I can see where MM is coming from on theDizzle wrote:
That's an attack or an attempt to incriminate you?Manzcar wrote:Why does it matter Monkey what roles are out there?potentialimplication of this question. I do not read any sort of attack here, though. I likewise don't see any direct attempt to incriminate.
again I ask who was going to give you this information that would be benefical to the town? Was scum going to come out and say hey here I am?MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I didn't mean it was a direct attack. I meant that he was being over-antagonistic towards a player trying to get information that would be useful to the town.
So a protown player shouldn't ask questions when they see something that seems off to them? I never said nor implied that you position was anti-town with that question. Where did I do that in that question? Can you point it out?MonkeyMan576 wrote:
My point is I don't think a pro-town player would have asked the question, or implied my position was anti-town.Fuzzyman wrote:I don't even think it was antagonistic.-
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No you still don't get it. I would love to know the scum set up that would be great. But as town we do not know the set up and the Scum are not going to drop breadcrumbs as to what the set up is.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
No, I don't think you get it.d3x wrote:Wait. I just went back and reread this interaction and it went as follows...
p8 MM- 'No Scum Power Roles.'
p11 Manz- 'Why does it matter?'
p14 MM- 'This is why I think it matters.'
p15 MM- 'Vote Manz b/c you're concerned about the Town knowing the Scum make-up.'
*disclaimer- These are paraphrases
That doesn't look right to me. You just said that you Voted because he was being 'over-antagonistic towards a player'. To me it reads as a player asking for clarification. You Votedbeforehe made his supposedly scummy comments. Can you give me a bit more information about the initial Vote?would be worried about theScumknowing about scum roles, which is what Manz expressed concern over. Town would be in favor of gaining scum-related information.town
Role fishing of any kind only benefits scum BECAUSE scum are not going to tell you how many there are. OR do you think that scum will tell you?-
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I understand and agree. When I said 'you' in my paraphrase of p15, I was speaking in the first person as you. Notice I said 'I' in the same manner in p14. To put it another way, I was saying that you Voted Manz because he seemed concerned about the Town finding out about the Scum roles.
Regardless, my point stands. You claim that he was being over-antagonistic towards you while you were trying to find out potentially beneficial information for the Town. I'm saying that him asking 'why' in the context and timing of the discussion doesn't seem antagonistic to me.
Above you said that you don't think a proTown player would ask 'the question'. The question was 'why'. I am looking for clarification regarding your Vote against him.-
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Clarification- p59 was directed at MM's p56.
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I think the question shows his anti-town position regarding the issue.d3x wrote:I understand and agree. When I said 'you' in my paraphrase of p15, I was speaking in the first person as you. Notice I said 'I' in the same manner in p14. To put it another way, I was saying that you Voted Manz because he seemed concerned about the Town finding out about the Scum roles.
Regardless, my point stands. You claim that he was being over-antagonistic towards you while you were trying to find out potentially beneficial information for the Town. I'm saying that him asking 'why' in the context and timing of the discussion doesn't seem antagonistic to me.
Above you said that you don't think a proTown player would ask 'the question'. The question was 'why'. I am looking for clarification regarding your Vote against him.-
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So to clarify, you Voted him because you felt that his asking...
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Seems like I have a lot of choices. Hmm.....
Well I wouldVote: Hero764for being the last to confirm.....
Or I couldUnvote. Vote: Sweepfor confirming at the same time as me.....
Perhaps I will evenUnvote. Vote: d3xfor that awesome play on Fuzzywuzzy.....
But wait! I am definitely voting MonkeyMan576 after he mispelled my name.
It's ZEEnon, get the capitalation correct or else you are referring to someone else.Vote: MonkeyMan576.-
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Manzcar, your post #11 is mildly scummy because you are subtly trying to pin suspicion on MonkeyMan576 for a pro-town move. Why wouldn't we want to know what kind of powers the mafia have? I mean, anormaltown-aligned player would have read through the rule set provided. They are very unclear. I asked the moderator via PM whether there is two mafia, since the mafia PM makes it seem like there is only two, but he said that he was not going to give me a direct answer. So the rule set could potentially mislead us that there is two mafia, but since he did not give an exact answer, there very well could be more. Anyways, off topic. MonkeyMan576 was talking about a scum role, and you asked him why he was rolefishing. I don't understand why you would consider him asking about a scum role a form of negative role fishing.-
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You do know that we're not in the RVS anymore, right?ZEEnon wrote:Seems like I have a lot of choices. Hmm.....
Well I wouldVote: Hero764for being the last to confirm.....
Or I couldUnvote. Vote: Sweepfor confirming at the same time as me.....
Perhaps I will evenUnvote. Vote: d3xfor that awesome play on Fuzzywuzzy.....
But wait! I am definitely voting MonkeyMan576 after he mispelled my name.
It's ZEEnon, get the capitalation correct or else you are referring to someone else.Vote: MonkeyMan576.-
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MonkeyMan576's post #15 seems town-like. Although I don't agree that it is enough to tell Manzcar's alignment, MonkeyMan576's quick vote makes me lean town on him for multiple reasons, one being that mafia are less likely to be the first person to exit the RVS, another being that he doesn't seem to be held down by the chains that cautious mafia members usually seem to have on them.-
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I'm leaning that way, I wouldn't say I was "very confident". His position is scummy, but town can have scummy positions.ZEEnon wrote:MonkeyMan576 wrote:My point is I don't think a pro-town player would have asked the question, or implied my position was anti-town.So you are very confident that Manzcar is scum, correct?
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