Mini 855: Colorless Rainbow Town (Halted for list mod error)

[d3x]

Why does it matter Monkey what roles are out there?

That's an attack or an attempt to incriminate you?

I can see where MM is coming from on the

potential

implication of this question. I do not read any sort of attack here, though. I likewise don't see any direct attempt to incriminate.

[MonkeyMan576]

Why does it matter Monkey what roles are out there?

That's an attack or an attempt to incriminate you?

I can see where MM is coming from on the

potential

implication of this question. I do not read any sort of attack here, though. I likewise don't see any direct attempt to incriminate.

I didn't mean it was a direct attack. I meant that he was being over-antagonistic towards a player trying to get information that would be useful to the town.

[Fuzzyman]

I don't even think it was antagonistic.

[MonkeyMan576]

I don't even think it was antagonistic.

My point is I don't think a pro-town player would have asked the question, or implied my position was anti-town.

[d3x]

Wait. I just went back and reread this interaction and it went as follows...

p8 MM- 'No Scum Power Roles.'
p11 Manz- 'Why does it matter?'
p14 MM- 'This is why I think it matters.'
p15 MM- 'Vote Manz b/c you're concerned about the Town knowing the Scum make-up.'

*disclaimer- These are paraphrases

That doesn't look right to me. You just said that you Voted because he was being 'over-antagonistic towards a player'. To me it reads as a player asking for clarification. You Voted

before

he made his supposedly scummy comments. Can you give me a bit more information about the initial Vote?

[d3x]

Or is that not what you're saying?

[MonkeyMan576]

Wait. I just went back and reread this interaction and it went as follows...

p8 MM- 'No Scum Power Roles.'
p11 Manz- 'Why does it matter?'
p14 MM- 'This is why I think it matters.'
p15 MM- 'Vote Manz b/c you're concerned about the Town knowing the Scum make-up.'

*disclaimer- These are paraphrases

That doesn't look right to me. You just said that you Voted because he was being 'over-antagonistic towards a player'. To me it reads as a player asking for clarification. You Voted

before

he made his supposedly scummy comments. Can you give me a bit more information about the initial Vote?

No, I don't think you get it.

Scum

would be worried about the

town

knowing about scum roles, which is what Manz expressed concern over. Town would be in favor of gaining scum-related information.

[Manzcar]

@Manz

What are your current thoughts about Monkey's concerns? Do you think his swift attack/defense means something to you?

He is attacking me because I asked a question. I asked because something seemed off to me. His response was quick and defensive and his vote was OMGUS. He is now trying to say I am scummy for asking a question on something that concerned me. To me asking questions is scum hunting not scummy. He is either a paranoid townie or a scum who feels that I am cornering him. I still haven't made up my mind.

Why does it matter Monkey what roles are out there?

That's an attack or an attempt to incriminate you?

I can see where MM is coming from on the

potential

implication of this question. I do not read any sort of attack here, though. I likewise don't see any direct attempt to incriminate.

I wasn't trying to attack nor incriminate only find out whether the intent was town leaning or scum leaning in rolefishing. The response after is what caught my eye.

I didn't mean it was a direct attack. I meant that he was being over-antagonistic towards a player trying to get information that would be useful to the town.

again I ask who was going to give you this information that would be benefical to the town? Was scum going to come out and say hey here I am?

I don't even think it was antagonistic.

My point is I don't think a pro-town player would have asked the question, or implied my position was anti-town.

So a protown player shouldn't ask questions when they see something that seems off to them? I never said nor implied that you position was anti-town with that question. Where did I do that in that question? Can you point it out?

[Manzcar]

Wait. I just went back and reread this interaction and it went as follows...

p8 MM- 'No Scum Power Roles.'
p11 Manz- 'Why does it matter?'
p14 MM- 'This is why I think it matters.'
p15 MM- 'Vote Manz b/c you're concerned about the Town knowing the Scum make-up.'

*disclaimer- These are paraphrases

That doesn't look right to me. You just said that you Voted because he was being 'over-antagonistic towards a player'. To me it reads as a player asking for clarification. You Voted

before

he made his supposedly scummy comments. Can you give me a bit more information about the initial Vote?

No, I don't think you get it.

Scum

would be worried about the

town

knowing about scum roles, which is what Manz expressed concern over. Town would be in favor of gaining scum-related information.

No you still don't get it. I would love to know the scum set up that would be great. But as town we do not know the set up and the Scum are not going to drop breadcrumbs as to what the set up is.

Role fishing of any kind only benefits scum BECAUSE scum are not going to tell you how many there are. OR do you think that scum will tell you?

[d3x]

I understand and agree. When I said 'you' in my paraphrase of p15, I was speaking in the first person as you. Notice I said 'I' in the same manner in p14. To put it another way, I was saying that you Voted Manz because he seemed concerned about the Town finding out about the Scum roles.

Regardless, my point stands. You claim that he was being over-antagonistic towards you while you were trying to find out potentially beneficial information for the Town. I'm saying that him asking 'why' in the context and timing of the discussion doesn't seem antagonistic to me.

Above you said that you don't think a proTown player would ask 'the question'. The question was 'why'. I am looking for clarification regarding your Vote against him.

[d3x]

Clarification- p59 was directed at MM's p56.

I love how quickly this game is developing!

[MonkeyMan576]

I understand and agree. When I said 'you' in my paraphrase of p15, I was speaking in the first person as you. Notice I said 'I' in the same manner in p14. To put it another way, I was saying that you Voted Manz because he seemed concerned about the Town finding out about the Scum roles.

Regardless, my point stands. You claim that he was being over-antagonistic towards you while you were trying to find out potentially beneficial information for the Town. I'm saying that him asking 'why' in the context and timing of the discussion doesn't seem antagonistic to me.

Above you said that you don't think a proTown player would ask 'the question'. The question was 'why'. I am looking for clarification regarding your Vote against him.

I think the question shows his anti-town position regarding the issue.

[d3x]

So to clarify, you Voted him because you felt that his asking...

Why does it matter Monkey what roles are out there?

...was anti-Town?

[MonkeyMan576]

So to clarify, you Voted him because you felt that his asking...

Why does it matter Monkey what roles are out there?

...was anti-Town?

Yes, since it implies that he is against the town getting that sort of info.

[ZEEnon]

Seems like I have a lot of choices. Hmm.....
Well I would

Vote: Hero764

for being the last to confirm.....
Or I could

Unvote. Vote: Sweep

for confirming at the same time as me.....
Perhaps I will even

Unvote. Vote: d3x

for that awesome play on Fuzzywuzzy.....

But wait! I am definitely voting MonkeyMan576 after he mispelled my name.
It's ZEEnon, get the capitalation correct or else you are referring to someone else.

Vote: MonkeyMan576.

[ZEEnon]

Manzcar, your post #11 is mildly scummy because you are subtly trying to pin suspicion on MonkeyMan576 for a pro-town move. Why wouldn't we want to know what kind of powers the mafia have? I mean, a

normal

town-aligned player would have read through the rule set provided. They are very unclear. I asked the moderator via PM whether there is two mafia, since the mafia PM makes it seem like there is only two, but he said that he was not going to give me a direct answer. So the rule set could potentially mislead us that there is two mafia, but since he did not give an exact answer, there very well could be more. Anyways, off topic. MonkeyMan576 was talking about a scum role, and you asked him why he was rolefishing. I don't understand why you would consider him asking about a scum role a form of negative role fishing.

[MonkeyMan576]

Seems like I have a lot of choices. Hmm.....
Well I would

Vote: Hero764

for being the last to confirm.....
Or I could

Unvote. Vote: Sweep

for confirming at the same time as me.....
Perhaps I will even

Unvote. Vote: d3x

for that awesome play on Fuzzywuzzy.....

But wait! I am definitely voting MonkeyMan576 after he mispelled my name.
It's ZEEnon, get the capitalation correct or else you are referring to someone else.

Vote: MonkeyMan576.

You do know that we're not in the RVS anymore, right?

[ZEEnon]

MonkeyMan576's post #15 seems town-like. Although I don't agree that it is enough to tell Manzcar's alignment, MonkeyMan576's quick vote makes me lean town on him for multiple reasons, one being that mafia are less likely to be the first person to exit the RVS, another being that he doesn't seem to be held down by the chains that cautious mafia members usually seem to have on them.

[ZEEnon]

Reading through some more of their back-and-forth posts, I currently see the MonkeyMan576 and Manzcar argument as town vs. town, with MonkeyMan576 leaning the more likely town. My mind may change after reading it a couple more times.

[ZEEnon]

I think his intentions were clearly to incriminate me.

This was my thought too while I read that post of his.

[ZEEnon]

You do know that we're not in the RVS anymore, right?

Oh, I fully realize that.

[ZEEnon]

Scien's questioning can both be seen a pro-town and scummy, in my opinion. I have a null tell on him/her.

[ZEEnon]

My point is I don't think a pro-town player would have asked the question, or implied my position was anti-town.

So you are very confident that Manzcar is scum, correct?

[ZEEnon]

I wasn't trying to attack nor incriminate only find out whether the intent was town leaning or scum leaning in rolefishing.

So you think that mafia would ask about their own roles for the purpose of rolefishing?

[MonkeyMan576]

My point is I don't think a pro-town player would have asked the question, or implied my position was anti-town.

So you are very confident that Manzcar is scum, correct?

I'm leaning that way, I wouldn't say I was "very confident". His position is scummy, but town can have scummy positions.