Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over
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Peabody Mafia Scum
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ZazieR Jack of All Trades
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ZazieR Jack of All Trades
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BigBear Goon
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ConfidAnon Mafia Scum
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Looker theStenographerthe
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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That's what I was trying to suggest to IK.nook wrote: I have a wild speculation that he's a Jester out to get lynched as quickly as possible.
@IK
I thought you might pick up on the fact that I said "non-mafia motivations," when I normally use "scum" almost exclusively to refer to the mafia. By non-mafia, I was trying to imply third party (perhaps one that wanted to be lynched or accumlate votes).
Of course, best play with a jester is probably not to mention it and to just lynch the person anyway. Why? Glad you asked!
Jester=insta-lose in lylo via self-vote. Therefore we can't bring a jester to lylo. This means that if we find ourselves one mislynch from lylo, unless we're sure someone is scum, we're forced to lynch the jester and put ourselves in lylo, which is an unfortunate prospect. We can continue this reasoning down the line, with the conclusion that a jester becomes more and more dangerous to the town the longer (s)he's left alive. Optimal play is (probably) to lynch immediately, without mentioning the possibility and try to gain some tells off the wagon. A jester wants to be lynched and (as much as I would love to spite a jester by refusing to lynch him/her), it's in the town's best interest to lynch a jester. That's of course why jester is a stupid role in most games.
Optimal play by EC right now (theoretically) if he were a jester is probably to claim jester right now and get himself lynched. However, having the lynch already determined has a tendency to take the town out of scumhunting mode. If EC is a jester and decides to do this, I would strongly push to lynch someone else out of spite.
Keep the possibility in mind now that it's out in the open, but right now, we have to play as though EC isn't jester (most mini normals don't have jesters and he probably isn't one...).
@ZazieR
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Sanjay Mafia Scum
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If the town is going to lynch the jester no matter what, wouldn't the best way to deal with the possibility of a jester be to declare that we lynch all jesters and if you'd like to be lynched then come on down and we'd be happy to oblige you?
I assume we don't have a jester so it's not really that important, but what's with all this "best play with a jester is probably not to mention it". Mention it and have an easy lynch choice that day.Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk.-
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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Skim Day 2 of this game if you get a chance (the link is to the start of Day 2). Near the start of the day, the cop (CoCo) announced that he had a "not town" result on someone (but didn't say who) and that was enough to prevent most people from wanting to scumhunt (we ended up lynching scum anyway and not even the one CoCo caught). Having an obvious lynch lined up almost completely ruins that day discussion-wise, which is particularly bad Day 1 and even more so if we don't lynch a killing role in the process.-
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BigBear Goon
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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That assumes we have a vig, since no mafia team in its right mind would NK a jester. If EC is a jester and claims it LATE IN DAY 1 WHEN IT WON'T HURT THE TOWN, I would prefer if we lynched him. If we don't have a vig, it would mean wasting a non-mafia lynch and probably losing a lot of Day 2 discussion.BB wrote: if there really is a jester, which I doubt, i think they should be either vig'd or night killed.
Nook brought it up (I quoted it a few posts ago ).BB wrote:Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy, I forget who brought it up, but it's scummy.-
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Idiotking Mafia Scum
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I don't ever assume or think there's a Jester. I've never been in a game with one, and if I did indeed play one, I'd question the mod and refuse to ever play under that mod, or play with that person, in a game ever again. Jester is a horrible, horrible role and shouldn't even exist. As such, I won't ever accept that there is one.
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BigBear Goon
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why should we lynch a jester? His win condition is being lynched!DeathRowKitty wrote:
That assumes we have a vig, since no mafia team in its right mind would NK a jester. If EC is a jester and claims it LATE IN DAY 1 WHEN IT WON'T HURT THE TOWN, I would prefer if we lynched him. If we don't have a vig, it would mean wasting a non-mafia lynch and probably losing a lot of Day 2 discussion.BB wrote: if there really is a jester, which I doubt, i think they should be either vig'd or night killed.
Nook brought it up (I quoted it a few posts ago ).BB wrote:Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy, I forget who brought it up, but it's scummy.-
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"Oh! Look at the cute little bear!", says ZazieR as she runs over to tug on the noose around BigBear's neck.
"Hey, who is this guy and why is he pulling on my noose?", asks BigBear.
At this point a lightning bolt strikes right next to BigBear, singeing his tail.
HOW CAN YOU MISTAKE ZAZIER FOR ANYTHING BUT A SUPER_HOT_CHICK! FAIL AGAIN AT YOUR PERIL! booms a voice from the sky. (Its good to be the mod)
"Anyway...", says DeathRowKitty, "I think we need to consider the possibility that EC is a jester."
"No we don't."
"Sure why not?"
"I am not a Jester!" says EtherealCookie as he hides a jester hat behind his back. "I was just swamped and wigged out for a bit!"
"Jester's are stupid!", says Idiotking.
"Fine, I am just saying but will shut up now", says DeathRowKitty.
Vote Count
BigBear (1) - ZazieR
brothernature (1) - Sanjay
EtherealCookie (5) - Looker BigBear ConfidAnon nook Idiotking
ZazieR (3) - Peabody DeathRowKitty Shrinehme
Shrinehme (1) - EtherealCookie
Not Voting - brothernature
With 12 alive it take 7 to lynch.Kreriov
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Shrinehme Goon
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Why?BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
I mean, there's decent grounds for it. EtherealCookie's play has been extremely outlandish. It initiates sure WIFOM, sure, but I don't see how it would tell scum. If someone hadn't brought it up by now, I would have.
We should note it if EtherealCookie flips Scum though. I could see a one protecting a partner with "What If Jester?"-
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BigBear Goon
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Well, that, or promoting a mislynch. I've only seen a mention of a jester in one game. And the one that suggested Mastin was a jester, was Mafia Godmother. If Nook flips scum, I would consider it a scumslip then.Shrinehme wrote:
Why?BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
I mean, there's decent grounds for it. EtherealCookie's play has been extremely outlandish. It initiates sure WIFOM, sure, but I don't see how it would tell scum. If someone hadn't brought it up by now, I would have.
We should note it if EtherealCookie flips Scum though.I could see a one protecting a partner with "What If Jester?"-
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Yay! Can't wait to see what you think about all this!ZazieR's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1901912#1901912]Post 205[/url] wrote:
Fixed, btw. The replacement has already arrived.Peabody wrote:Grrrr. FC is replaced???
EtherealCookie's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1902739#1902739]Post 216[/url] wrote:Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not Jester. I'm just a guy who got swarmed with too much shit, said a few stupid things, and is in a deep pile of shit right now and is too busy to get out of it currently. Give me till the weekend, guys.unvote
I'm in no hurry to kill you, and I'd hate it if you were lynched due to playstyle. Besides, how do you tell the asylum employees that you're not crazy? How can you convince them?
I don't like that "extremely outlandish" part. If it were that bad, surely you could have used an example instead of "extremely outlandish". That just sounds like "he's different". [/not an argument, just pointing it out]Shrinehme's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1903497#1903497]Post 221[/url] wrote:
Why?BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
I mean, there's decent grounds for it. EtherealCookie's play has been extremely outlandish. It initiates sure WIFOM, sure, but I don't see how it would tell scum. If someone hadn't brought it up by now, I would have.
We should note it if EtherealCookie flips Scum though. I could see a one protecting a partner with "What If Jester?"
Yeah, I'd kinda be more willing to interrogate the accuser before we take this jester thing and run with it. Who said it? Nook? (I know, I know, I'll go back and read...)BigBear's [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=1903546#1903546]Post 222[/url] wrote:
Well, that, or promoting a mislynch. I've only seen a mention of a jester in one game. And the one that suggested Mastin was a jester, was Mafia Godmother. If Nook flips scum, I would consider it a scumslip then.Shrinehme wrote:
Why?BigBear wrote: Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy
I mean, there's decent grounds for it. EtherealCookie's play has been extremely outlandish. It initiates sure WIFOM, sure, but I don't see how it would tell scum. If someone hadn't brought it up by now, I would have.
We should note it if EtherealCookie flips Scum though.I could see a one protecting a partner with "What If Jester?"
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