The one where you act town when you are town and the one where you act scummy when you are scum.Kill-kill wrote:But, would you rather I say it when I first come in, or when I am pressured? Which of the two would be more pro-town?
But seriously, I know what you are talking about with the hyper analytical style of play. The other forum I played at is much more off the cuff and laid back.
Not much, I don't usually dwell on NKs unless there is a good reason to. Scum often target ICs, but I do usually take a gander at who the person NKed was most involved with. In fgads case it would be Pyro, and that gives me little to work with. If it says anything I would imagine that the fact that scum went after the IC may indicate that they aren't getting alot of pressure from anybody else.xvart wrote:startransmission- what do you think of the fhqwhgads NK?
Besides Annachie, whom are you debating placing the vote on? And, as I've said several times, I am suspicious of Annachie; so would you care to enlighten me/us on why you are not sure?startransmission wrote:Argh, I'm debating on where to put my vote. I have issues with Annachie (most of which have been pointed out), but after a reread I'm not too sure.
I misread--I thought the other two had unvoted at some point. I suppose this is what you get when you read a thread late at nightDarthRandal1138 wrote:I'm still here, folks.
@Kill-kill: Thanks for the link. I'm reading through your part of that game now. In the meantime, any comments on why you were misrepresenting me as having the "first vote on the eventual mislynch" of Pyro?
. I apologize, and withdraw the statement.
I personally wouldn't really have a problem with such a quick vote, but the reasoning and justification does not sit well with me since it is based on nothing at all except timestamps and lack of conversation right out of the gate. Highly suspicious.Annachie wrote:Jeez fhqwhgads gets mafia ganked, the guy who had voted for me, and then you launch a vote on me right away, AFTER saying that your normal play seems scummy.
What is this, you're going to vote for me before I log in and press you on anything?
vote kill-kill
I'm still anxious to hear this response. I'm leaning toward Annachie for my vote, but maybe I've missed something so before I place my vote I want to hear what you have to say.xvart wrote:Besides Annachie, whom are you debating placing the vote on? And, as I've said several times, I am suspicious of Annachie; so would you care to enlighten me/us on why you are not sure?startransmission wrote:Argh, I'm debating on where to put my vote. I have issues with Annachie (most of which have been pointed out), but after a reread I'm not too sure.
xvart.
Huh.xvart wrote: I personally wouldn't really have a problem with such a quick vote, but the reasoning and justification does not sit well with me since it is based on nothing at all except timestamps and lack of conversation right out of the gate. Highly suspicious.
I'm not sure how to take this. On the one hand, I'm pleased that Hitogoroshi has decided to vote before we're up against a deadline, but I'm obviously not happy with his decision. I don't see a case, so was this some kind of a pressure vote or do you actually believe that I'm scum?hitogoroshi wrote:Well this game is quiet.
I'll go ahead andVote:Hackerhuckuntil he posts his analysis. I think we need to be a bit more loose with our votes to force scum to participate.
Now, he's starting to act a little off at the beginning of this day, but I'm much happier targeting Startransmission - or even Hitorogoshi right now. I'm holding off on my vote though, to get a little more information from Hitorogoshi.Annachie wrote:hitogoroshi wrote:No, because the entire bit he's referring to isn't a scumtell! Donderro is saying "You're referring to me FOSing but not voting pyro, and justme voting pyro. That's not any sort of scumtell, thus, we'd have to be a pretty inept scumpair to do that!" The crucial difference is that the initial thing that's being 'attacked' actually has no bearing on alignment. Unless you think the random vote WAS actually a calculated response to Don's FOS, in which case, uh, what? that doesn't make sense.As I've said before, and will no doubt say again, it was Just Me's first two posts that made me suspicious. His seemingly excessive concern about Don being late to start (due to being a replacement and all that).Is that seriously - SERROUSLY - why you're voting Dondero? Because Justme voted someone that Dondero was skeptical about, ergo, they are both scum? Please tell me there's some other part to this whole mess I'm missing.
Given my belief then the following statements and voting et al, especially Don's Laurel and Hardy one, also seem suspicious.
One thing I have noticed is to pay atention to the first few posts as players seem to be more inclined to express too much information or too much concern.
Now honestly, if I believe that two people are scum, rightly or wrongly, does it matter which one I vote for or even if I swap between them?
Our goal as villagers is to lynch the scum, I believe that two people are scum so ergo I vote whatever way I need to to get them lynched.
You are seriously going to post a town read on someone who claims to have not only identified both scum on Day One based on what amounts to marginal defending at best, but refuses to either scum-hunt them or entertain other possibilities? Other than a complete WIFOM, I see absolutely no justification for a town read there.HackerHuck wrote: Annachie is a little less scummy in my eyes. Although he's also being quite timid in his actions and not scumhunting, I really got a good town feel from this post:
I will not deny what you are saying in the sense that I do feel somewhat responsible for the Pyrogen lynch and do not want to tunnel again (because at this point nobody is clearly acting acting anti-town like Pyrogen) and have taken a more backseat role this game day. I what others have to say about the people I suspect. I won't apologize for it, but I also don't want to get stuck in the same predicament I was in yesterday, especially if I get tunneled on someone who is just playing a bad game. I think I am totally justified in asking for someone to prove me wrong, and anyone that thinks otherwise is looking for a mislynch.HackerHuck wrote:xvart is starting to trip my scumdar too. He starts off the game pretty strong, but recently has begun to try and lead things a bit while staying behind the scenes. I'm also not sure how I missed the whole roleblocker discussion early on. There seemed to be way too much discussion about it.
As more and more time goes by without him posting I feel the same way. He seems to really be only posting to avoid the prod; and even then he is only posting little sniglets of information that give the appearance of scum hunting with no real content, which is exactly why I'm pressing him for more information. He's a hairs breath from receiving my vote.HackerHuck wrote:Startransmission really sticks out to me. He's playing everything too safe for my liking. Even his vote on Pyro was initially a cop-out and he somewhat contradicted himself when I asked him what all of Pyro's scummy behaviour was. His only real scumhunting was his analysis posts, which essentially claimed everyone to be town - even pyro.
Yes, I remember; but I was just pointing out that you seemed to only based your current vote on the reasons listed in your first post of the day. You made no mention of anything in the previous day. That was what I was pointing out. And, I think I've said before that I would be happy to explore this relationship, but you have to convince me, and just saying "because I wanted it yesterday should be sufficient enough." Obviously it is not, otherwise we all would have followed immediately after your vote.Annachie wrote:Huh.xvart wrote: I personally wouldn't really have a problem with such a quick vote, but the reasoning and justification does not sit well with me since it is based on nothing at all except timestamps and lack of conversation right out of the gate. Highly suspicious.
kill-kill == Just Me
and I've been sus on Just Me since the first page. The person targeted by the mafia, and Kill-kill's day 2 posting does nothing to make me doubt my original suspicions, hence ...
Neither of these. I just noticed that, seeing as you've been here since 06, this would be a good opportunity to keep you honest. I haven't posted too much in this topic; I'd be an easy target to bandwagon. I figured that throwing out an unsubstantiated vote would make me tempting for scum to go after. Apparently, neither you nor anyone else went for it. Of course, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence (or to put it another way, someone here has to be scum) but I certainly don't have particular reason to think you're scum and that vote has served it's purpose, soHackerHuck wrote:I'm not sure how to take this. On the one hand, I'm pleased that Hitogoroshi has decided to vote before we're up against a deadline, but I'm obviously not happy with his decision. I don't see a case, so was this some kind of a pressure vote or do you actually believe that I'm scum?
Dondero did basicially nothing before being replaced, so I don't think there's anything that Hackerhuck COULD be held responsible for. As for justme, we can use his D1 actions at least to some extent, but if you want to talk about those you better use supporting quotes and be clear why it's an alignment tell and not a quirk of the old person.xvart wrote: I would also like to hear what the IC and SE have to say about Annachie's reasoning based on the replacement stuff, from a learning experience perspective because I have a hard time holding kill-kill and hackerhuck to the same standard as the previous players. How do you guys typically handle these situations?
HackerHuck wrote: Kill-kill - There is a difference between a town-read and a little less scummy. I said that I got a town feel from one of his posts, so I find him less scummy than the others on the wagon. I'm not really sure what kind of hay you're trying to make with that post so maybe you could explain yourself a little better.
Does not say "less scummy," sorry.HackerHuck wrote: I really got a good town feel from this post:
Man, there is something about this thread that seems to be preventing me from reading things correctly. My apologies.HackerHuck wrote:Way to quote snip.
Kill-kill wrote:HackerHuck wrote:Annachie is a little less scummy in my eyes. Although he's also being quite timid in his actions and not scumhunting, I really got a good town feel from this post:
I was really looking at the last bit. He's pretty much laying it all out there that he's got two suspects in mind and is happy if either one is lynched and is willing to move things around to do so. It's a pretty blatant post for scum to make, since they typically don't want to seem eager to lynch, nor do they want to give any appearance of wagon-hopping.Kill-kill wrote:In any case, can you explain how that post was in any way townie?