xvart wrote:
Woah. I'm not sure I like the fact that you two have already divided the town into two separate groups: you two and the rest of us. Especially since both of you seem to think that one of us is scum. That means that both of you must admit that one of you could possibly be scum, so you have already potentially set up a alliance with a scum member; which would play right into the hands of the mafia. If you two vote the same way (seems likely right now), and there is one scum member in the three you listed you have just lost the game for the town. Are you both so confident that the other is town? You two do seem rather buddy buddy in the opening of this day; and while that may seem bold for both of you to so obviously be pairing up together if you both were mafia; so I would lean towards the person that agreed with the first suspect list: hitogoroshi.
First, I don't see how it can be buddying up when I was very clear about not liking Hito's request for the massclaim. Secondly, it doesn't matter if I think he's town or scum. As
my good buddy
Hitogoroshi said, I
know
that there has to be at least one scum on the wagon. In fact, this was the same point I made at the end of Day 1 when I avoided Kill-kill, so you can be assured that I believe both scum were on the Day 1 wagon. Lastly, I don't get what you're saying at the end of that quote. If we're buddying up, what makes him scummier than me?
startransmission wrote:Like I said I think the best thing for me to do is answer questions, and weigh in on points where I see fit. Any point of view I have will be looked at/spun as an attempt to get a wagon going... so I'm going to be active but passive.
This is not a good idea. We're in LYLO, not endgame, so if you're alive tomorrow we'll be in endgame with little additional content from you. I also need to see how you're acting toward others and making cases to determine whether you're just a boob.
Annachie wrote:With only 4 people left, not counting myself, 2 of them scum and 3 of them experienced, then we must have 1 experienced player as a scum, and quite possibly both. Since the odds of both SE's being picked as scum at the outset are lowish (1/512) as opposed to 17/512 for one of them being scum)
Which means the NK is being directed by an experienced player.
HH wrote:I'll simply say that there's usually not a lot of value in pondering why the scum selected a certain person for their NK. I also don't really see it as helping the scum either, so feel free to discuss. Newbie games are a little different though, because scum though processes aren't always the same as they are with a more experienced group.
Since there's a great chance of there being experienced scum I wonder about HH's comment on discussing the NK. Something the becomes aparent at this point of the game anyway.
You have a good point here - just not about me. This is like my first time playing this newbie setup (I did start in another newbie game at the same time as this) and we previously only had one IC and no SEs. I'm not familiar with the requirements for SE, but even newer ICs are not that experienced when it comes to NK strategy. Looking at the start dates of Startransmission and Hito, I'd definitely agree with you (although Startransmission does make me wonder
)
Annachie wrote:
The other part I want to think about is the final vote counts:
If HH is scum, then he has managed to not vote the lynch in both votes.
If Hito is scum, then he hammered one lynch and not voted the second.
If Xvart is scum, then he voted in both lynches, persuaded me to vote in one (Though Pyro did more of that himself). Started one and voted 2nd. Not normally scumy vote spots from what I understand.
If Star is scum, then his hammer drops him in it a little, and he was involved in both lynches.
My gut read then is HH and Hito for avoiding votes. (HH's one
final
vote was on Hito)
This is a good way to analyse a wagon. A word of caution here. We did have rather unusual hammers in both situations. When up against a deadline (D1), or when dealing with a relatively quick lynch (D2), then the voting patterns/order should be looked at differently. I also don't get what you mean by my
final
vote on Hito. My question for you is whether you think that both scum could be so good that they essentially avoided both lynches? (Hito's vote was at deadline to avoid a no-lynch, so that means he was a reluctant hammer) That also implies that the entire town was very well snookered.
I've got two final comments about LYLO. We obviously don't want a short day, but we also don't want to run up against deadline either. Ideally you want the scum to place the first vote, but that could lead to a stalemate situation that means no votes until the very end where we're rushed. The other thing is that just because someone gets one vote on them and isn't lynched right away, that doesn't mean they're the scum. It can be hard to time the one-two punch needed to nail a townie, and I've seen scum slow play it enough where the town ends up lynching their own without scum help.
