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Benmage 22 wrote:Vote Viobvious scum.Vote: Benmage(L-6)
Clearly a wannabe mage.
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About the only thing I can come up with for a Western I've both watched and remember the title of is this
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Benmage's questioning of ConfidAnon's questioning is obvfake.
More votes thattaway please. Pay no attention to the Ectomancer trying to distract the Town from playing Mafia from the very beginning.
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VP Baltar 38 wrote:Lone StarThere's only one person who would give me the raspberry... LONE STARR!
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While I disagree with Nachomamma's attitude, I do like the vote.
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We're not getting anywhere and I'm blaming you, etc.
What would make you think that?d_j 48 wrote:looks like rvs is over?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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d3x - I didn't vote Ectomancer until after Nacho because that was when I got around to posting in this thread. I won't deny that Nacho's vote made my mind up about doing it tbh.
Ectomancer - There's trying to end the RVS, and then there's completely sidetracking the discussion. Unless there's something you can tell me about how knowing everyone's favorite Westerns can help your reads on people, of course. Have you used similar methods to begin games before? (I don't recall it in any of the games we've played together)
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You mean you've never tried to do this? (Yay learning essential life skills in marching band)Ectomancer 63 wrote:I don't have to participate in a zombie ritual that is practiced by those who also protest that they hate it.
On Nacho - If his current style of posting continues, it would be no great loss to see him dead before N1.
On don_johnson - See "On Nacho".
On Sotty7 - More transparent please.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Notice that you boldedEctomancer 71 wrote:As for what can be derived from questions, it generates the type of conversational hooks that you lamented were missing from the game when you first posted. I also cast serious doubt as to whether these types of questions from your own games are any more effective:
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Yes, I bolded #6. Don't be hypocritical. My questions are way more interesting and accomplish the exact same thing.Vi wrote:If I could have everyone's attention, please. I would like for everyone to fill out a quick survey for future reference.
1. How many games have you played to completion on this site?
2. Do you play Mafia on other sites? If so, what is different about those sites vs. here?
3. Do you consider yourself an experienced player?
4. Which other players in this game have you played with in the last six months?
5. Do you prefer to be Town, scum, or third party? Why?
6. Who is your favorite fictional character, and why?
7. How many scum do you think are in this game?
8. Why are you filling this survey out?
9. Do you think this survey will be useful in finding scum?
10. Am I more likely to be Town or scum in creating this survey?
11. Is English your first language?oneout of eleven questions...
In addition, I would believe that a question like that would provide insight into a player's mindset, which I find valuable for assessing character and therefore how I would expect people to react in various situations.
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"hmm, Ecto is being scummy"d3x 72 wrote:Why did his Vote make up your mind?
Nacho: *vote*
"actually that was a good idea, let's do that"
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@Nacho: Trim quotes to live. Trim quotes or die. I literally cannot read that post, and I think I was implicitly accused of something in there.
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Less waiting and more doing something else while you're waiting comes to mind.d_j 73 wrote:vi: please explain what's wrong with my six (now seven) posts? i am still waiting on an answer to my first two questions. is there something else i should be doing?
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I like d_j's list, but not because they haven't explained their RVS votes so much as because they're already flying under the radar.
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Let's see, VP Baltar, Sotty7, Amished, maybe ConfidAnon and PorkExpress... Oh hay, may as well go with the statistically probable one.
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The ConfidAnon wagon is lame and it has all three of the people I just listed as good scum candidates on it back-to-back-to-back. Amished 124 looks like the kind of post I would make to force a weak wagon on someone.
d_j is also on the wagon but he's playing so badly that I'm less interested in him.
I like my vote but would freely switch to whichever of VP, Sotty, and Amished has the largest wagon.
This unfortunately has the side effect of alienating half of my fan club at once, but etc.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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I could say the same thing to express my view on ConfidAnon, and that's why I'm against the ConfidAnon wagon.ConfidAnon #4 wrote:
You've done scummy things in the thread, but doing scummy things don't neccessarily mean you are scum. Town and scum alike do scummy things, and my gut's telling me to hold off from voting you at the present time.Nachomomma8, 91 wrote:ConfidAnon, why so hesitant? If I'm OBVIOUSLY scummy, then I OBVIOUSLY deserve a vote. Right?
If you would like it in my own words, ConfidAnon's responses to your accusation (do not think there is more than one accusation) make sense from the standpoint of a newish Townie, which I have every reason to believe ConfidAnon is.
In the meantime, I do not think that that single statement is worth lynching the guy over (which at the rate we're going we will).
I'm not sure what to make of Benmage putting ConfidAnon at L-2 tbh... for the same reason as everyone else... after acknowledging everyone on the wagon having the same reason.
Finally, I will be shocked and/or astounded if all four of the people on the wagon are Town. It jumped up from nowhere from three people who made fluffposts (if any substantial posts at all) prior to their golden opportunity to hate someone. (To VP Baltar's credit, at least he's trying to look busy)
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I laughed IRL.Benmage 149 wrote:VP Baltar wrote:Unvote, Vote: Benmage
whatsup girl...why u make me ask...just state why, you know i'm gonna ask
boy dont u be talkin like this.............if u dont know whats goin down LOL!!!!!!!!
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ConfidAnon has already clarified that statement. I even quoted where he did it.Benmage 147 wrote:Its a decent, illogical offence no?
L-2 isnt exactly a death sentence...but it'll make Con forced to come in and clarify (not lurk it off) and if he/she doesnt, or messes up it'll be a fast D1.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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If I call within the next sixty minutes do I get another vote absolutely free?VP Baltar 154 wrote:Vi, wanna take a seat on the benmage wagon? Space is limited.
Before I make a decision there I would like to ask if and how post 153 changes your mind about ConfidAnon.
It's not that you or anyone was wagoning him for pressure, because you already got the answer you were looking for!
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I don't mind the Nacho wagon as much tbh. I like Admiral D3X, I can go with what Ectomancer is doing, the jury is out on PorkchopExpress, and Benmage is already in front of me.Sotty7 155 wrote:[Nacho]had four votes by page three you had nothing really to say about that. What do you think about the two wagons side by side?
Do you have any solid insight you would like to contribute to the conversation?
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Are you suggesting that scummy Townies are somehow rare?Benmage 156 wrote:He said he reads scummy town, not scummy scum...What is your interpretation of scummy town?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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People who act scummy, and yet happen to be Town (or are probably Town).Benmage 158 wrote:Again, how do you define "scummy townies"?
I have no idea why you think it was too early for that suggestion to be tossed around.
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@Benmage: You're making this into much more of a Burden of Proof argument than it needs to be. You don't need a long history of posts to be able to see the intent behind what people say and do.
I seriously don't think this is the first time you've ever run across the distinction between "scummy" and "anti-Town".
I see your question about the Nacho wagon as a deflection. I answered and asked if you had anything else to add. You provided reads that were pretty much all opposite mine, and ended the conversation with a sentence saying were still "sorting" my alignment. Etc.Sotty 166 wrote:How am I avoiding you when I have answered every question you have thrown my way and asked you some of my own?
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Well, it partly was...VP Baltar 174 wrote:
If I had seen her actually make a case for any of those people, this might hold some credence. Hell, I assumed Vi's vote on me was just part of a running gag we have about me "always" being scum.Confid wrote:She did give a reason . . . the people she thinks are scum jumped on my wagon.
I see your 123 and while I have some reservations about it I don't think pressing on them will do much.
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Ectomancer 175 is horrible. I didn't ask for what d_j has done; I asked for yourreadon the gunmonkey.
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Well, ISotty7 176 wrote:Deflection how? This is still me not avoiding you which was your reasoning for voting me in the first place. So I scum because I have opposite reads to you? I don't buy that. I disagree with plenty of people but that doesn't make them auto scum in my book. But it's nice to know how to get on your good side quick (agree with you at every point)dolike having followers... :vain:
I'm reading your question about the Nacho wagon as an attempt to steer the conversation away from the ConfidAnon wagon, which was part of why I was talking to you in the first place.
Meanwhile, while you aren't avoiding me, all you're doing is defending yourself. You said you were still in the "sorting" process for finding my alignment, but you didn't bother asking me anything to help yourself out on that front.
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I'd love for you to elaborate on this, especially considering I don't suspect "everyone". (although it's true that I don't have much to any obvious Town reads)Amished 179 wrote:Vi is neutral to me, which has me worried. I've been able to read her better in other games than I have here.The rapid vote switching and suspecting everyone doesn't seem like a good setup to the game either.
Similarly, listing posts that are scummy without bringing up any justification neither helps nor convinces anyone.
Why are you so confident - or evenbringing up- that d3x could be third party?
I've also an eyebrow to raise about how you jumped on the ConfidAnon wagon and then off it in favor of the equally large Benmage wagon - each time for reasons thatjust happento have already been mentioned by others.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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I didn't know you found either of us scummy. (Preview edit: Actually not true, but your previous suspicion of me consists of a one-line accusation tucked inside a larger spat with d3x.)
I didn't even know that there was a dichotomy between Vi and Amished, i.e. there's a winner and a loser and one is scum. That seems to be what you're implying with "the choice".Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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I would be more inclined to go along with this if you mentioned anything about WHY you wanted to vote either of those people at the time.Amished 187 wrote:@Vi: I was the first to actually vote for CA, so good detective work on that one. In that post (93) I also expressed my wish to vote for Benmage, so this isn't a new development. At that point, Benmage didn't have a vote on him either.
And again. I read through all of your posts again, and the only thing you have to say about d3x is that he didn't vote or accuse anyone of anything. You keep alluding to a grander case against d3x that you're shying away from saying outright. The fact that you're suggesting third party is odd in itself and I'm not sure how you would come to that kind of specific conclusion.Amished 187 wrote:For d3x, he's acting like I would suspect a 3rd party to act. I didn't expect anybody to be swayed by my post against benmage, I was pointing to why I feel he's scummy, and if anybody wants to question those reasons, we both have a good starting point to work out why I feel he's scum; and I can clarify further instead of having to rehash everything.
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How does that contradict anything I said?Sotty 193 wrote:That's not how I remember it happening. My question on the nacho wagon wasn't a response to anything you said to me, it was me questioning you and your read on the confid wagon.
STOPSotty7 193 wrote:If I haven't been avoiding you,
GOVi 178 wrote:Meanwhile, while youaren'tavoiding me[now],
What is your opinion of BentheMage?
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The point - you're missing it -Nacho 196 wrote:Now, in the special of Amished v.s. Vi, both of them have made some fairly pro-town votes (in my opinion, at least), and both have been explaining said votes well. However, the little argument they have (over d3x's third party status) seemed strange; I don't like how Amished said that Vi suspected everyone, especially considering most of her vote-hopping was in the beginning of the game, but I don't have a very good feeling about Vi's vote on you. Basically, the only thing that set them apart was activity, which I feel to be anti-town at best.
Why are you obligated to make adecision betweenthe two of us?
In addition, what IS that decision right now? Are we both Town? scum? one vs. one? more so than anyone else in the game? If you can't tell, what are you doing to find out?
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Amished's 3rd party speculation is approaching ungodly levels of bad, especially since third party hunting is theMafia'sjob and it's not like we're not supposed to kill all nonTown ASAP. Further, it's not like d3x has had any chance to respond to the snowballing accusations. And trying to rolefish based on thepossibilityof a third party? Seriously?
The only thing that stands to change my mind - and it probably shouldn't - is Amished's advertisement to "try something". I can see it coming, but I don't know if it's something scum is capable of doing.
d_j needs to come out of his own little world and say something about just about anyone except ConfidAnon.
Similarly, ConfidAnon needs to come off d_j and join the rest of the people bickering. The only people you've voted for are each other, essentially for a single post on Page 2.
Ectomancer can stay in his own little world and continue to be scum.
I'm not sure what to think of P-Express at the moment considering he's going right down the list of people I expect are Town while merely sniping at the people who are more likely scum atm.
Benmage, why the Veep-Beep vote? I can respect it on an intuitive level, and there are a number of nice reasons to vote him just based on this thread, but I would like for you to explain yourself.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Ah well, I'm burning out on Mafia anyway.
I was (somewhat) obvious Town. At the rate you're going, Mafia's going to win this easily. d_j had no reason to shoot me aside from doing what I could to mix things up, and I'm half-tempted to return the favor since he's not going to be of any use to the Town at best.
VP Baltar's last two votes have been for astonishingly weak reasons, especially considering he was the third on both the ConfidAnon and Benmage wagons. Still leaning toward scum.
I don't have a scumread on pwnz.
I don't have a scumread on d3x.
No read on Nacho.
Townish read on Sotty7.
Townish read on Benmage.
No read on PorkchopExpress and a bad intuitive feeling.
One of Amished and Ectomancer is virtually guaranteed to be scum for the third party speculation. Since VP Baltar just called out Amished and since Ectomancer has done even less for scumhunting, please do me a flavor and kill Ectomancer.
If scum have guns in this game - and because of the wounded status that bad shots give, they probably do - there is no reason whatsoever to let d_j live.
I'm not sure if ConfidAnon is Town or not.
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lol, I thought I was acting really scummy in this game - good for my meta!d_j 242 wrote:vi is one of those players that always reads town imo. only way to know for sure is investigate,vig, etc.
Thanks for the policy vigjustas you happen to come under pressure though.
d_j 242 wrote:their alignment won't be confirmed until then so i suggest holding off on lynching at least until then.This is how scum will win if they have guns.
Use my vote and lynch Ectomancer please.
If they let you get away with it,don_johnson 242 wrote:i really didn't think that was going to work. in regards to not letting me live, daykilling on day one in broad daylight is obviously not scum play. so whatever.yes it is.
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Ectomancer: Everyone has a gun. I think that has been made rather apparent by now.
Even so, are you claiming game-related knowledge about "another faction"? The idea is that we kill all nonTown. This is standard in every Mafia game.
Last, Amished's speculation is based on things that d3x hasn't had a chance to respond to for ~7 pages, and the accusations have only snowballed over time. (Which reminds me, his V/LA should be up today.) Even if the third party has "inside information", that player has no ulterior motive in revealing it when we're supposed to kill him anyway. Scum is scum.
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I care less about getting taken out of the game earlier - burnout, remember - and more aboutVP Baltar 247 wrote:
I know it's sour grapes to get knocked out of a game early, but dj's right about it being unlikely for scum to daykill like that. Not saying he gets a free pass or anything, but doesn't seem like a scum move to me.Vi wrote:VP Baltar's response doesn't do anything for me but solidify my previous read. Please kill him and add another scum game to his collection.getting fired on for terrible reasons with no suggestion anywhere that he wanted to do it.
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Actually, Amished obviously hinted at having one when talking about Benmage... and my response crumbed that I did too.Ectomancer 249 wrote:
Apparent by now being the operable phrase. Prior to don shooting you, it was apparent only that I had one.Vi wrote:Ectomancer: Everyone has a gun. I think that has been made rather apparent by now.
I'm not even going to bother with the rest of the argument. Arguing with you is an exercise in futility (although the smiling cat avatar blunted that a little).
You just always read as scum to meEctomancer 249 wrote:BTW unlike Don's assessment, you always look like scum who might be town to me, not the other way around.
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That's not whatdon_johnson 253 wrote:we really should be careful about lurkers here. with a few of us content to be center stage scum can easily hide in the shadows.i still think there's a good chance vi is scum here, so we'll have to wait and see.Iremember you saying a while ago... I remember something about not being able to read me and shooting me as a precaution.
That would be becausedon_johnson 259 wrote:please note: vi's posts have been completely devoid a roleclaim. one would think that the first words out a persons mouth when shot in broad daylight in the game of mafia would be something along the lines of: "what the fuck are you doing? i'm the goddamn doc(or cop, watcher, etc.)." vi just dropped a small AtE and an obligatory "thoughts" post.I'm the goddamn Vanilla* Townie, you goddamn moron!
As for asking what you're doing, I wasn't terribly surprised tbh <_<
*Note: "Vanilla" is somewhat of a misnomer but you get the idea.
Fixed.don_johnson 253 wrote:why don't you shoot him?
While the thought has occurred to meI need grounds to continue complaining about never being a dayvigI DON'T think that turning this game into a gunfight is the way to go... although with how terrible ~half this Town is I may be wrong. Shooting you, for instance, would only not be a loss because you're now coming into the center of discussion like I wanted in the first place, and places you on the low end of the tier of "gee it would be nice if I could vaporize these people because they're not playing transparently", joining basically everyone except Sotty, Benmage, and maybe d3x. On the plus side, your jokes on Benmage's name are redeeming you somewhat
The "oh you can't make any judgments about Vi until the flip" argument is terrible at best and scummy at worst, but see previous sentence.
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More like I knew I wasn't being seen as obvTown and wasn't inclined to do much about it. This point is pathetic.Amished 279 wrote:Also, I believe Vi said she was playing deliberately scummy this game, how did you happen to get a town read on her?
I did not get a scum read on him based on the posts he madeAmished 275 wrote:@Vi (again): How the hell do you get a "transparent" playstyle from d3x? You've said yourself that he's been V/LA; you can't get a read on a player from that.beforeV/LA.
But notice that you haven't done anything to KILL this supposed third party role except openly speculate on him. You never voted d3x; you've kept your vote on the two most recently huge wagons. You've never even mentioned killing d3x untilAmished 275 wrote:@Vi: If the third party is an SK (typical 3rd party; and given flavor, not unreasonable), why would they decide to go after scum if the town will be likely to look for them during the day and try to lynch them? If we can out them and kill them, we prevent one anti-town kill per night, extending the game and gives the scum more of a chance to screw up and get them lynched.this post, where you talk about what a huge boon it would be if the SK was killed.
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If we were in LyLo then I would see your point. At the beginning of the game, getting rid of a night-kill is a priority (especially since if this game is 8-3-1 that sounds like the setup's fault).Amished 283 wrote:@Vi: If d3x is SK, then he's a threat to the mafia; and if I can lynch a mafia while also adding another suspect (or even not) then there's a chance that d3x hits mafia, mafia goes after the "other" killing role; two anti-town killing roles dead and three mafia dead in a cycle. Obviously a lot of things have to fall in place, but it's not outlandish. Mafia has always been my priority.
Further, notice what you're doing -making excuses to avoid lynching someone you're calling out for scumwithout providing a suitable alternative that you are as confident in.
Benmage is a MonkeyMan alt?Amished 283 wrote:Yes, you *weren't* seen as obvtown; yetMMansaw you as obvtown. I'm wondering why and where did he come to that conclusion.
Take a look at what I said after getting shot ->Amished 285 wrote:Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with Ben's vote; VP's activity this game (content, not necessarily number of posts) is awful (both in content and driving the game forward).Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Vi #23 wrote:VP Baltar's last two votes have been for astonishingly weak reasons, especially considering he was the third on both the ConfidAnon and Benmage wagons. Still leaning toward scum.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Contrary to popular belief, I don't post to see my own avatar...Ectomancer 311 wrote:
I think it makes sense that we don't shoot VP, better to get a lynch and keep the extra killings to a minimum, but do I take this as an endorsement to take this to lynch?Vi wrote:Vi #23 wrote:VP Baltar's last two votes have been for astonishingly weak reasons, especially considering he was the third on both the ConfidAnon and Benmage wagons. Still leaning toward scum.
(in other words, yes)
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Wait, does that heal actually count? *sets out mod bait*
You don't like anything anyone says except for third party speculation. Or would you rather I die?Ectomancer 318 wrote:I didn't like this much when you wrote it Vi. We don't know the number of power roles and cant exactly take a poll. I had planned to wait until your alignment flip to see where your allegiance lies to evaluate the earnestness of the idea, but if you've been healed, I'd like you to re-evaluate this and either elaborate on why it would work for us, or snuff it as not useful.
Simply put, unless there's a role that gives Town an advantage that outweighs a Mafia night-kill (by which I meanCop) there's no point innotkilling the day away.
While there is a decent possibility for there to exist a Cop in this setup given the flavor, the number of places left to look for one is getting smaller considering there have been two claims so far, so that Cop is already in heightened danger.
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hahaha and also noVP Baltar 336 wrote:Also, the crux of this argument somewhat seems to be "why isn't VP Baltar leading the town to victory"
Why is Sotty obv obv Town? For defending you...?
d3x, would you like to actually take stances on people?~ (i.e. who's Town and who's not)
I'll grant that you weren't playing poorly in that game. And you were quite likable tooVP Baltar 334 wrote:Also, your assessment of Mafia 91 is clearly biased. I did not lurk at all that game, nor did I "play bad". As far as I recall, most people thought I was town in that game and I simply got busted by a Vi investigation. I encourage anyone to look at that game and see how much crap you are pulling out of your ass.
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Not entirely.ConfidAnon 342 wrote:I like the VP case, but the fact that it's coming from benmage makes me skeptical. After all, the case boils down to "When VP's town, (s)he plays awesome. (S)he's not playing so awesome this game. (S)he's scum." It would be a fairly easy case for scum to notice and use to get heat off of them, and benmage did have a decent wagon on him, if I recall.
Also, my new avatar is cute. (It needs saying =p )Vi 241 wrote:VP Baltar's last two votes have been for astonishingly weak reasons, especially considering he was the third on both the ConfidAnon and Benmage wagons. Still leaning toward scum.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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My initial thought was "of course now that I'm dying someone listens".Sotty7 346 wrote:Vi, what do you think of Amished's vote on VP?
If anyone's vote is purely based on meta, it's Amished's. And he jumped off the Benmage wagon to make it, also in a somewhat abrupt disappearance of suspicion. The posts surrounding the change of pace involve saying things like the whole third-party thing was "testing the waters", I'm obviously playing scummily this game so I can't be read as Town, and all kinds of other things that make me wonder how bad it could be to just have everyone shoot each other.
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I wasn't comparing those two games.VP Baltar 347 wrote:Well, I'd hope there's a difference. I was scum in that game and I'm town here.
Well, you'll notice that everyone's NOT lynching ConfidAnon, we're not doing a great job of lynching Benmage, and attention is on... you. What's the difference now?VP Baltar 347 wrote:Also, Mafia of Order is a unique situation where I was actually the only townsperson alive who was playing the game. Plus the scum were being so frakking obvious it was hurting my head to even look at that game and not see them getting lynched. As I stated in that game, mafia is a game about teams and no one person should have to do all of the leg work to find the scum. I'm not about to go through that experience again.
Also, are you sure you're not a Tarhalindur alt? He's the only other person I know who fraks.
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Based on my expectation of Benmage's experience I want to call Town, albeit a very misunderstandable Town.
I read him as doing his best,
tho' it be love's labor all but lost,
and besides, his scumtell is
one of mellifluous diction.
Your vote on him is basically for reasons that were already stated by other people (though they did apply at the time). Likewise with your ConfidAnon vote. And that's... *checks* all of your votes.
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Frankly, your opinion is incorrect.d3x 354 wrote:I don't like making Town/Scum lists because it gives Scum a lot of information, imo.
Is Nacho the best place for your vote right now?
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It wounds my soul to move my vote from Ectomancer-scum, but I can hop onto an Amished wagon.
Unvote: Ectomancer(L-5)
Vote: Amished
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Benmage: Nobody likes ZazieR's posting style except maybe Zazie.
It would be more accurate to say that I keep changing back to Ectomancer due to him providing new and increasingly more awesome reasons to be lynched while providing essentially no redeeming value.ConfidAnon 395 wrote:Any particular reason for changing back and forth between these two?
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Hypocrisy goes here.
If you're talking about your case on VP Baltar - and if you're not, oh well - then you absolutelyBenmage 398 wrote:
I brought up meta...you playing this game?ConfidAnon wrote:
Yea, I've read the thread. 360 doesn't do anything for me. Coasting is just as much a scumtell as it is a lazy towntell. *waits for ben to bring up meta* And meta on it's own isn't a case.benmage, 382 wrote:Clearly you didnt understand post 360, nor bother to read 370...But hell i'll indulge you...What about 367 stuck out as particularly good, suddenly so convincing you want to vote me?didbring up meta.
With that said, meta itselfcanmake up a case.
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On someone else's computer.
Skimmed briefly.
Ectomancer's case is reaching and selective to such an extent that it's not worth responding to (omfg, I'm so scummy becauseI don't participate in the RVS and voted the mod before I even got a Role PM).
If there are any good questions for me (again) ask them soon, because this shot was conveniently timed for the period when I wouldn't have regular access.
I don't think you need my shot at this point. Please let this game go to heck in a handbasket as soon as I flip; if this is what it takes to get everyone involved so be it.
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Okay, so why are there two mods and no updates? I've been ambiguously dead for three days now.
I'm preeeeeeetty sure Benmage is being scapegoated.
d3x, why do you think I would want to shoot you without any further consideration if I can ever get confirmation on if I'm alive?
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Notice that you haven't stopped "floating" with this post.d3x 465 wrote:
Well, that's a pretty easy one, unfortunately. I've been floating through this game for a while now {I've had a bit of a difficult time getting back into the game since my V/LA, appologies}. On top of Amished's 3rd party speculation, I've also been connected with Ecto who everyone has fairly strong negative feelings towards.Vi wrote:d3x, why do you think I would want to shoot you without any further consideration if I can ever get confirmation on if I'm alive?
With that said, with me being ambiguously dead I feel like shooting a different low-activity participant who's not actually adding anything to the conversation. Even if it doesn't count it'll be a good start.
Daykill: Sotty7
I don't understand Ectomancer 466, but it really doesn't matter tbh.
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If Ectomancer's claim is correct, my shotPorkchopExpress 473 wrote:@Vi: What do you think of Ecto's claim?should not have counted... and if Ectomancer was bluffing, that will become apparent as soon as someone with mod powers shows up.
That's not what I remember...Sotty7 475 wrote:She also hopped on the Armished wagon with me when I have been the one pushing on him.
As for what changed my mind, while I don't care much about what people think of Ectomancer's case considering I've already been shot at, notice the tentative language of Sotty's approval in 467 (never mind the reversal from her previous post) there and elsewhere. I had a gut Town read on Sotty after our little back and forth but I could easily be wrong. Sotty is hard to read.
So am I Town, or scum?Sotty7 475 wrote:Pretty much looks like a bitter reaction to my comment on ecto's case on her.Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Well, you said earlier--PorkchopExpress 478 wrote:I'm more concerned with what it might say about his alignment.
--which isn'tPorkchopExpress 455 wrote:I’m thinking it might be a good idea to shoot, or lynch, Ecto at this point. I’m not against his case on Vi but his claim is a little troubling. I have a feeling that if scum can daykill they wouldn’t be bad shots and his claim could be cover for that.themost convincing argument ever for suspecting someone.
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I forgot the sarcasm tags.Sotty7 481 wrote:So I am not allowed to call you hard to read Vi and have " tentative language" but that's A-OK for you?
Asking the important question again.Vi 476 wrote:So am I Town, or scum?Everything you say and do matters. People will respond in ways you may never see. May those responses be what you intend.-
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Starting... when?VP Baltar 491 wrote:Yeah, that is basically my concern. Anyone who shoots without consent should be lynched immediately because if we just get all reckless, it is going to end very badly.
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Speaking as the Grateful Dead, being very pissed is a gamewide sentiment. Just imagine how I feel reading d_j 501.VP Baltar 500 wrote:I do think you're town Vi, but very pissed that you're just shooting.
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Hi everyone, I'm replacing d3x; give me a moment and I'll be caught up.
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Actually, I'm going to be another backup moderator for a while. Yes, I've been approved by MiteyMouse. So--
Vote Count:
VP Baltar (4) ~ PorkchopExpress, Ectomancer,don_johnson,Benmage, don_johnson
Ectomancer (3) ~ pwnz, Amished,Sotty7,VP Baltar,don_johnson
Benmage (1) ~ Nachomamma8
pwnz (0) ~Benmage
ConfidAnon (0) ~don_johnson, Benmage
Sotty7 (0) ~don_johnson
Not Voting:VP BaltarPorkchopExpress, Ectomancer,
-Amished has been prodded.
-ConfidAnon has been prodded.
-d3x has been prodded.
-Nachomamma8 has been prodded.
-pwnz has been prodded.
-As all of these prods are way overdue, each of them have until about 2100 EST on Monday to come back to the thread, or there will be mass replacement.
-(If none of them show up, this may be grounds for player abandonment, as they almost entirely prevent a lynching majority.)
--With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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Benmage 669 wrote:I think its wack Vi is replacing in...but thats just me, with the deadline so close, i guess i understand...whatever MM's doing their best.Read Post 666 ( ) again until you understand the joke.
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Vote Count:
VP Baltar (3) ~ PorkchopExpress,Ectomancer,Benmage, don_johnson
(3) ~ pwnz, Amished, Sotty7Ectomancer
Benmage (1) ~ Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 (1) ~Ectomancer
Not Voting:VP Baltar
[size=0]Ami VLA | Benmage 0 | d_j 1 | Ecto 0 | Nacho 0 | PExpress 1 | pwnz 0 | Sotty 0 | VPB 0[/size]
-Ectomancer will die in about 53 hours!
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-Ectomancer has been capped in the ass! It's a fatal wound! (Um, that's awkward.)
--- Ectomancer ---Cowboy--- ASCAP'd Day 1!
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Vote Count:
VP Baltar (3) ~ PorkchopExpress, Benmage, don_johnson,Ectomancer
Ectomancer (3) ~ pwnz, Amished, Sotty7
Benmage (2) ~ Nachomamma8, ConfidAnon
don_johnson (1) ~ d3x
Nachomamma8 (0) ~Ectomancer
Not Voting:VP Baltar, pwnz, Amished, Sotty7
[size=0]Ami VLA | Benmage 0 | ConfidAnon 2 | d_j 0 | Nacho 0 | PExpress 2 | pwnz 0 | Sotty 0 | VPB 0[/size]
-d3x and ConfidAnon were not on the last vote count because they weren't on the vote count I was previously working with.
-d3x and ConfidAnon are being replaced. Please hold...
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