Newbie 873 - Game Over.

[Crimmy]

/Confirm

I suddenly feel the need to see things in a sepia spectrum.
Like an old movie.

[Crimmy]

Vote: Foilist13

Random voting.

[Crimmy]

Unvote: Foilist 13

Yeah, you're right.
I'm used to fast paced weird Werewolf games, but this is new to me...

[Crimmy]

EBWOP: What is SE?
I seem to have missed that while reading.

[Crimmy]

SE = Semi Experienced.
Okay, noted.

Well, seems I'm getting lynched, unless somebody changes his/her mind.

And that avatar came from Deviantart.
I shall try my Order of the Stick avatars.

[Crimmy]

@Cades - I'm a little confused by your post. You're voting him for defending me, then lurking?

He posted yesterday, I think that's obvious, and I don't see anywhere in his post "if you disagree with me you are scum."

@Crimmy - Your vote was clearly not a random vote. You put me up to L-1 on a "random vote," which there is no excuse for. Either you didn't read the thread

at all

, or you had some kind of conscious thought behind your vote. Can you please explain what that line of thought was?

Because it's the point I wanna talk about.

Maybe it's not clearly random for you, but you forget I'm a newb, and I still don't quite get the rules of this particular forum style of the game.

As for putting you up for L-1, I didn't mean to.

If you still feel like lynching me, I won't be mad, 'cause I did put you in danger.

Well, anyway, other than that, I still don't know who to vote for, since all I see is suspicion, but I can't find me a suspect.

[Crimmy]

Well, whatever you do, I'm okay with it.
I mean, yes, I gave a lot of suspicion by voting for foilist, but that doesn't mean
I'm a scum.

I have no excuse for the bandwagon, except that I was following the wagon.
I simply jumped in because I had nothing to work with.

As for the previous post by Jackabomb, I just realized going with the herd is indeed dangerous.

[Crimmy]

Vote Crimmy

For sounding very suspicious to me, and after realizing how suspicious

became inactive.

Seems scummy to me. Personal opinion. Sorry Crimmy, but in this game you can't trust anyone.

Oh sure.
I can't have personal life, because I'm always in front of a PC.
I can't have my life because I need to be here so I'm not suspicious, is that it?

Well, have it your way. I'm sure this is THE most scummy thing I've seen so far. I mean, you only say "sounding suspicious", and then you say you'll get me for "absence". I went away, what, 7 hours? Maybe you don't eat, or do homework, but life happens.

So, basically, you vote for one person because they "sound suspicious" without giving the specific quote where it sounded suspicious; not to mention people who go out to eat, instead of sitting in front of a PC are scummies.

People, go figure. I'll just raise a Finger of Suspicion on McGriddle.

IGMEOY McGriddle.

[Crimmy]

EBWOP - No, I'm not trying to get you guys sorry for me, but that thing McGriddle said was indeed weird and suspicious.

[Crimmy]

McGriddle, it seems you have forgotten you simply jump at bandwagons "without" an apparent reason, and when you start bandwagons, you don't give reasons, just "gut feelings" as one could call them.

As such, it could be that you're simply thinking of bumping people off without any reason, other than the fact that they either are inactive, or because they "sound suspicious".

In this game, it's almost hard evidence, or nothing. You seem to give nothing, and as such that's why you have jumped to the top of the scummy list for me as well.

[Crimmy]

So, based on all my observations (yeah, that's another reason why I stayed low for a bit), it seems Cades and McGriddle are the most suspicious ones. They're basically playing the "No, you're the scum" game.

McGriddle gives silly reasons to kill Cades, and he retaliates with even sillier reasons. However, it seems McGriddle is the most suspicious one, since he's the one who has been jumping around, throwing votes everywhere he goes.

The most suspicious thing about him? Whenever danger rears it's ugly head to him, he withdraws his vote, and goes for another one. Once more, silly reasons.

Cades, however, could have the newbie factor working against him. However, given the post he made, in which he accuses and votes for McGriddle, I can see he's saying random things to shake off the attention.

I can see him saying "you voted for me so they won't believe we're a team. Then I shall do so, too, and nobody will ever believe we're partners in crime."

The last, but not least, is that Cades also AtE a lot. Post 76 was a really huge AtE, but post 89 was an even bigger one.
"I was killed during night and I was a townie." Remember each game is a different one, and as such, that kind of defense is quite scummy.

So, I'm suspecting both of you, and though McGriddle is on top of the list, Cades is also rising in the ranks.

I shall post more on the subject when I can observe them better again.

And I'm keeping my vote until the very end, 'cause I really need to think.

[Crimmy]

EBWOP: Sorry if my sentences are confusing. I'm not a native english speaker, so I still get a bit confused with building of sentences.

[Crimmy]

McGriddle, it seems you have forgotten you simply jump at bandwagons "without" an apparent reason, and when you start bandwagons, you don't give reasons, just "gut feelings" as one could call them.

As such, it could be that you're simply thinking of bumping people off without any reason, other than the fact that they either are inactive, or because they "sound suspicious".

In this game, it's almost hard evidence, or nothing. You seem to give nothing, and as such that's why you have jumped to the top of the scummy list for me as well.

Lol I'm not trying to persuade anybody, nor am I band wagoning. I thought the post was scummy, and I even said that, I can't explain it to you people if you're just going to accuse me of bandwagon riding every vote I give.

What do you mean, you can't explain it if we're accusing you? Is that some sort of blackmail/threat?

"Either you stop accusing me, or I won't explain why it's suspicious"?
You're digging an even bigger hole for yerself. This is, by far, the most scummy thing I've read right now.

[Crimmy]

Lol way to read it out of context. It was meant as in if you can't understand why I vote someone after I explain it then it's your problem, and then you accuse me of riding a bandwagon because of it.

I didn't read it out of context. If you wanna support the town, you give the information you have.
If they don't understand it, give it again in simpler terms.

What do you say?
"I can't explain it to you people if you're just going to accuse me of bandwagon riding every vote I give."

Maybe I said it wrong, and I meant to say: "Unless you guys don't vote for me, I won't explain why I'm doing what I'm doing".

Once more, if you're pro-town, give information.
You said it yourself: "If you don't understad [...]"
So, if we don't understand, fetch the bone in a simpler way, so people WILL understand..

[Crimmy]

Crimmy, you aren't voting anyone.

On that note, post 104 is the most scummiest thing I have ever read in this game, so

Unvote; Vote: McGriddle

McGriddle, you are now at L-1. Claim.

I remember saying something about that, yeah...
"And I'm keeping my vote until the very end, 'cause I really need to think."

There's still lot's of time until the deadline comes, and I really don't wanna rush things, especially since we could be lynching a townie. I still want to think (and I want others to think as well.)

[Crimmy]

EBWOP: Unless somebody gives me a really good reason to vote, I'm keeping it till the near end of this day One.

[Crimmy]

Wait, wait, wait.
First of all, both CSL and Jack were too eager to go for the kill.
I said I wanted to go easy BECAUSE I needed to think, and I wanted others to think as well. The deadline was Dec. 20, so why rush it?

Also, your text said "if you wish...". But the context indicates you gave Jack

permission

to hammer. Also, you specifically waited until Michel, Foilist and myself were off to go for the kill, forcing the twilight to start.

And now you're trying to save your own rear by throwing Jack in front of the bus?

Both you AND Jack are fingered.

FoS: Jackabomb and CSL

[Crimmy]

The problem, good sirs, is that you're looking at dimaba, who has stayed low for quite a while, and looking away from CSL and Jackabomb.

Sure, if you wanna go for dimaba, you've got an enormous WIFOM. I'm still thinking we should worry about Jack and CSL. They were too eager to end the day, one of the two is now being contradictory, and apparently, the other follows the first's orders.

Now, I hope you won't hate me for this, but I beg of all of you to WAIT, and I mean

WAIT

until at least the 27th to post your votes. Otherwise, this will happen again.

[Crimmy]

[quote="CSL"]Crimmy, I made a mistake I never seem to get off of. I will indeed wait until the 27th to vote.

But, Crimmy,

begging is scummy

. If you said ask, instead of beg, it wouldn't look as scummy.[/quote

I'm sorry, what?

I can just sense it. You're trying to take the heat off from yourself by throwing (if you'll excuse me) stupid accusations at me. This does indeed reek of scumminess, since you just made a completely illogical and random post to make me look guilty.

[Crimmy]

EBWOP:
I deleted a "]" thing. (I don't know what it's called.)
Here's what I meant to say:

Crimmy, I made a mistake I never seem to get off of. I will indeed wait until the 27th to vote.

But, Crimmy,

begging is scummy

. If you said ask, instead of beg, it wouldn't look as scummy.

THAT is scummy?

[Crimmy]

So, you're saying we should just vote and get another quick-lynch, like last day?
No, sir.
This day is gonna be of simple talk, we've got to read in the most logic way how people react to simple talk. Otherwise, somebody might get vote-happy, and end up making a total catastrophe.

Once more, we're shouldn't vote just like that. Fingers of suspicion, however, could be the best way to get some reaction.

[Crimmy]

Hey, begging got me lynched on Day 1.

Maybe you didn't beg in the right way. Since you said begging is scummy, and you begged, I assume you're then scummy.

THAT is an instant rebuttal of you previous statement.

[Crimmy]

I haven't begged this game, haven't I?

Therefore, you have.

(if you don't understand what I meant, re-read the sentence.)

[Crimmy]

You negated a negative. Thus, you have just said you have begged in this game.

[Crimmy]

As the Lt. Colonel Frank Slade would say:
"Calm down, Charlie, calm down."

[Crimmy]

Good, now that we're cool, I suggest we wait until everybody else has had time to post and think a bit more.

[Crimmy]

Vote happy? It takes 4 people to lynch. We are not going to get there quickly, unless someone chooses to act unbelievably scummy, which town are not going to do,

and scum are not going to do either because (at least I'd like to believe) they are not idiots. FoS'ing is worthless. Probably about half of all players never do it, and HoS'ing is even more useless. Saying I suspect you is just as useful.

CSL, your idea is not a good one, but you seem genuine.

Crimmy, you seem to be buddying. You aren't scum hunting, you're having a pleasant comrade-like discussion with Crimmy, which while it is not damning evidence it is something scum would try to do.

I still find you scummy from yesterday, so for now,

Vote: Crimmy

but I may change it after I finish my reread.

So, you're basically saying that waiting is bad, but voting fast is also bad.
It's either one or the other, so take your pick. Remember that if you want to start making

logical

conclussions, you need something to base it on, and that means we need more talk to analize, not just voting.

You say Fingers of Suspicion is worthless, right?
Soo... your post 100 says:

"Im going to unvote because Crimmy is no longer my top suspect. That honor now belongs to McGriddle, but only just. I'm not ready to put him at L-1 yet though, so I'll be content with putting him at the top of my scum list. ".

Foilist, I ask you: What's the difference between that post and FoS'ing?
Not to mention the fact that you said "Saying I suspect you is just as useful", in a context where you mean it's useless.

So, care to say which of those is you?
Both? You, my boy, are making such big mistakes, contradicting a lot.
First, at Day One twilight, you didn't even care about the death of McGriddle, yet, the next morning you go against what happened, and call CSL a hypocrite. That's one big contradiction, too.

You either don't give a ship about it, or you feel it's wrong, or you go in favor. As far as I remember, I was against voting him

yet

, and that gives me a reason to keep going against it.

You? You are contradicting yourself over and over.

[Crimmy]

What do you mean, contradictions on game policy?

[Crimmy]

meh, who am I strying to convince? You guys do whatever you want, I still stand on the ground of not voting until it's close to deadline, to avoid quicklynching.

On a side note, Jack, you should really get a replacement if you're having a long absence.

[Crimmy]

Who the hell is McGrill?

[Crimmy]

Don't you mean "McGriddle"?

[Crimmy]

Oh.
So, basically, you're all gonna call me Crummy, just like Foilist did one or two pages ago?

Niiiiice.

[Crimmy]

I've been re-reading, and all I see is CSL negating the fact that he indeed told Jack to hammer, and Jack giving bull facts.

I beleive that foilist was the only one not aware of the current situation at the time of the hammer. Also, at the time that I posted, I had been reading through the previous posts. This made me feel like each post had come right after another like a building wave, if you will, against mcgrill. It is only logical that the suspense be finalized.

Given the fact that nobody but Jack and CSL were posting, EVERYBODY ELSE was unaware of the situation. And that is quite obvious, so don't try to blame it on others.

Also, end the suspense by making a hurried hammer against a guy who could still be townie? Because I clearly remember, once more, that I said I wouldn't vote until I was sure McGriddle was, in fact, scummy.

So, why did you simply ignore that, and waited until NOBODY else was on to get a quicklynch? There's no townie logic in what you said.

In hindsight, I realize that we might have gained more from an extended D1, but I kind of doubt it. What might we have gained? Most of the time, a townie claim isn't exactly going to save you. Rhetorical question: If you had been a doublevoter, how many of the other members of mcgrill's wagon would have hammered?

I'm not sure I get your question.

As for what we could have gained from an extended D1, we could have avoided a townie kill, and maybe gained some more information. It's not about how the townie claim can save you, it's about how we could have had more info on the mafia, had

somebody

not killed him first, ending our first Day.

[Crimmy]

Do remember, however, that cades wasn't much help D1 either. I'm not sure he realizes that his "Oh, woe is me. I'm just a lowly peasant speaking out against the egomanic, power-hungry, arrogant dictators. I'm going to die for this statement, but look how brave I am to do it anyway. Anything worth my life to say MUST be true!", attitude is Appeal to Emotion. I'm not sure he realizes that it doesn't work, either.

Even though I suspect both Jack and CSL, I must say this is quite true.
Cades, you're doing more and more mistakes by the minute...

[Crimmy]

Why thank you for the compliment, crimmy. I'm glad to see you don't let your suspicions get in the way of your logic. *cough*-unlike SOMEBODY we know-*cough*

Yeah, well, I learned the hard way that, when truth is told, nothing must matter to you. Not even the fact that you don't trust the other.

Now, on to the little rant.

As you said, yeah, cades has not once tried to give facts. Only AtE.

Yes, you also did defy him.
And the only defense was an even bigger AtE.

Also, post 115:

that is partly true, when I voted McGriddle I was thinking of saying, I wonder if they will take their votes off me now, and they did, which is why I'm suspicious of Jack and CSL still.

CSL keeps following Jack, and when I voted Jack he voted me, and when I voted someone else he took his vote off. That is suspicious.

But for now, McGriddle is on the hot seat, so if I he shall die,

and I die in the night, my guess is CSL and Jack as the mafia.

The first is partially true, but then again, Jack also made a good post about how it's not his fault CSL voted against cades. 'Cause it's true

only if he's not scum

, which, of course, right now is impossible to tell for sure. And for those Emotionals, I said

For Sure

, I'm not defending, nor accusing.

Now, another thing playing against him is the fact that he's also absent for too long. Even though I, y no means, say that is suspicion, it could hurt him, since people could start a total mob against him, and he wouldn't realize it until much later.

Last, but not least. Cades, you're still giving off a bad impression.
Remember why I was partially against McGriddle? Because he wouldn't share the info he claimed he had.
You wanna be townie? I suggest you give your ideas and information.
Otherwise, you're bluffing, and bluffs are, IMHO, very suspicious.

___

Unrelated:
Thanks, foilist. I agree, it could be quite informative.

[Crimmy]

EBWOP:

On the second bolded thing in the quote, I was going to say how paradoxical it was.
I mean, you say that, you are painting a bullseye over yourself, since people could think you're right, and therefore bump off somebody who could still be innocent.

[Crimmy]

Off topic: I don't think you have.
I think that as well.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have used it.

[Crimmy]

True enough, but don't forget that cades has also been lurking and

rarely

Never

provides good reason for his posts/votes.

Fix'd for you.

And yeah, we could get more from a CSL lynch, but cades is indeed making too many suspicious things.

"I bet you vote me now" had no reason or townie logic in it.
In fact, it seemed like he was trying to get somebody else incriminated as scum with a STUPID idea.

cades, for the good of the town, you should also die. The only thing you're making in this game is WIFOMs and paradoxes. Either you stop this brutally idiotic behavior, or you're gonna get all of us deep in shit.

Despite how much I'd like to see cades dance the hangman's, if I'm reading correctly, we get more out of a CSL lynch, unless anyone else has a better lynch.

You don't know how much I agree with this now. With both things.

[Crimmy]

We keep it to 1 vote. 'Cause otherwise, it might get too quick.
At least, that's my motion.

[Crimmy]

Just an afterthought. If Cades is alive tomorrow, go for him, as he is detremental to our cause. Just a caution though, it'll be game over if another townie is lynched tomorrow, as it'll be lylo.

In case someone does not know what lylo is, it's lynch

or

lose.

Consider the following...

2 scum, 3 town

Town is lynched = scum win
No one is lynched = scum win due to nightkill
scum lynched, lylo next day.

2 scum, 4 town (If no lynch)

= MYLO
Mislynch and lose*

if townie is lynched = scum win due to nightkill
If no one lynched = lylo situation (see above)
If scum lynch = mylo next day

*MYLO is mislynch and lose. It's a situation where there are two town members blocking the scum victory. (I.E. 4 town, 2 scum, or 3 town, 1 scum). If a townie is lynched, scum win, because 4-1 = 3 town, 2 scum. Townie nightkill = 2 town = 2 scum = scum win.

Is that clear?

Best case scenario = No lynch. We go to day 3, under the threat of mylo.

Mylo > lylo.

Comments?

Both are the same. Lynch or Lose and Mislynch or Lose get the same ending if you get it wrong.

[Crimmy]

Zorblag, please be kind as to edit that vote count.
I'm not the one who would currently be lynched at deadline.


Also, this one goes to all:

Are we all decided it's CSL who should go?
Shouldn't we try to get a bit more info on all?

Well, I'll just wait for a reply.

[Crimmy]

He's already played that card, but he didn't offer anything up other than "see ya"

He's already at L-1, right?
Question is, should anyone hammer him? Or would it be wiser to just stay on Day 2 a bit longer?

Anyhow, I'm voting, but not for CSL just yet.
'Cause I still have doubts.

So

Vote: cades

[Crimmy]

I still say we should think this over a bit more.

We have loads of time till deadline, and we're very close to losing, so we can't risk quickening kills if we're not sure it's gonna flip okay.

Now, I insist we do something more.
cades has misteriously vanished since we started te HEAVY CSL bandwagon. I say he's anotherone to look out for.

I'm not saying let's not go for CSL, but right now, cades is being even more suspicious.

[Crimmy]

I hate to make posts like this, but I told you all to retreat your votes until we were sure.
(And I said that many times, too.)

Also, I'm really suspecting on ex-cades now. Meaning Kyiv.

[Crimmy]

Well, all I can say, right now, is that I know what precise game style we're using.
It's the F11 with the Mafia roleblocker.

[Crimmy]

First things first, I didn't just say it was F11, I said what kind of F11.

F11 with a Mafia roleblocker. Which means we've also got a sane doctor and a sane cop.
I need the sane cop to step out, for I am the sane doctor.
How do I know it?
'Cause I protected Michel tonight, and he got killed. Therefore, there's
a mafia roleblocker.

And my suspect is cades/Kyiv.
Dimaba strikes me as odd, but I can't figure it out correctly.

[Crimmy]

My first try for protection was cades.
Why?
'Cause he was stupid enough on D1 to say that, if he was killed during that night, then CSL and Jackabomb would be the suspects.
Since we know now that CSL is no scum, I suspected that somebody would try to kill him that night to get the attention somewhere else.

However, it did strike me as odd that he was untouched, and that Brother, a guy who was completely harmless, was killed instead.

[Crimmy]

I don't know what to make of this right now.

I'd love te believe crimmy's claim, but don't you dare all just take his word for it. Notice that one of the scenarios is a roleblocker and no town power roles. If that were the case, the scum tean could pull off being the power roles with pathetic ease. Normally the cop will come out on day two with his investigations, forcing the scum to look for the doctor while he is protected. Since that didn't happen, we need to sriously question whether this is real, or a gambit in lylo to get a vote. If 1 townie votes wrong here, the scum can dog pile and win with impunity. Now I ask you, what better way to get a vote on someone than by claiming cop, with a doc claim to back it up, and no town power roles to counter claim?

Another stupid move, foilist. What better way to tell the scum what to do, than giving the whole plan they should follow?

Also, I didn't ask for anything but a cop. Never asked people to trust me, never told them who to vote for, nothing at all.

As much as it would make our jobs easier, we simply cannot buy the claim and act on at this point in the game, as there is essentially a 50% chance that it would be suicide.

Who said people SHOULD work on this assumption? People can do whatever they think is right. I said so, because I wanted people to know what to look out for. And, as far as I recall, we're playing an all-or-nothing game right now, aren't we?

Now while we cannot accept the claim to be true, we also can't ignore it. We have to see who will come out as the cop, because someone will claim irrespective of crimmy's alignment, whether it is

his scum buddy

or the real cop. What we have to do then is analyse what will be both sides of the town and decide which one the scum are on, because they WILL both be on one of them, crimmy has seen to that. This is a super delicate situation here guys.

I could have claimed something else, like cop, but then that would have made the real cop complain, thus killing me, and making the mafia instantly winning.

Above all, DO NOT vote unless you are absolutely sure, because if you are wrong the scum WILL dog pile, and we will have lost our town. We have to make it through two days of lylo, so now is when it is time to employ crimmy's earlier strategy of not voting. Here it is pro-town to do so, where as then it was not.

NOW you are being quite contradictory. Why is it that we shouldn't act cautiously before, but should now? I kept saying to be cautious at all times, even at the beggining of the game. You kept saying it was stupid to do so. So why change hearts now?

Either you play cautiously at all times, or you don't.

Now for my scum list.

1) Crimmy. His doc claim was not the right town move, as he just lost the chance to pull us out of lylo by protecting accurately and lynching scum today. No good town player would even consider doing that, but he is a newbie. That only goes so far though, and for now he occupies the number one place on my scum list.

Excuse me, what part of "Roleblocker" did you not understand?
Maybe some shiny new glasses for christmas would fit you well.
I

protected

Michel, moron. The fact that you don't trust me is of no concern to me, I'm only trying to get through this game with a win on the town side. Now, since there's a Roleblocker here, it would seem

obvious

that he would analyze, just like I'm doing, who I would protect. Guess what? It JUST HAPPENED TONIGHT!

And, once more, didn't you say it was stupid to have "suspects", and the only way to make them come out would be by voting? So, why do you have this "scum list"?

2) Jackabomb. He hammered day one, and essentially took credit for hammering day two, both on townies. Not a good move, but it is explainable. His read on me could also be interpreted as blatant buddying. Maybe it's a legitimate read, but unless other people agree with it I'm inclined to think it wasn't totally innocent. For that he gets the number two place on my scum list.

3) Dimaba. He has been scum lurking since day 1. He drops in to post some townie looking content, then disappears to allow attention to settle elsewhere. Scum tell if I ever saw one. Night one brother was killed, whose sole suspect had been dimaba. Interesting at the least. For those he gets the number three place on my scum list.

4) Cades/kyiv. Lurking is only a scum tell until you get replaced. Him leaving the game shows that his mindset was not one of trying to avoid attention, but of not caring about the game. That makes it a null tell. Kyiv has some posting to do though.

The other statements are still in question, I have to do some more reading for some more info on this.

Then again, regarding Dimaba, it would be really STUPID to bump off the guy who was voting for you, don't you think? Even for a newb, it would sprinkle suspicion all over oneself, don't you agree?

So, how can it be that the Semi-Experienced player makes such a mistake, as to accuse somebody of something so silly?

[Crimmy]

Okay then, foilist.
If you're so sure of me being scum, vote me.
Now.

Do it.

Personally, if you're pro-town, you would have known NOBODY knew what CSL was.
Then, how can you prove I knew such a thing?

Major flaw, right there.

Once more, vote me.
Mafia wins if you do, so do it. That way you'll win.

[Crimmy]

@ Jack: Nope. AtE is when you want people to stop looking at you by using silly excuses. Like saying: Every time I get into a game, people vote me! I'm so friggin sad! Please!
If he is really pro-town, this'll just prove what a louse he is at playing.
If he is mafia, which is what I believe, it wouldn't change things much, since we're obviously losing right now.

So yeah, here's the lethal inyection, do it.

[Crimmy]

Also, how does foilist know kyiv is town? is it magic?

NOPE! IT'S HIS SCUM BUDDY!

Sloppy playing, foilist, you can't possibly obviate a player.
I was simply looking for something to have some proof against foilist.
He just made an obvious scum point. How can he be sure Jack is townie?
How can he be sure kyiv is townie? Truth is, he doesn't know if dimaba and I are townie, or doc, or cop. He knows we aren't scum, and that's enough for him to get us.

[Crimmy]

Not that it matters now, since somebody else is gonna scumpile me, and this game is done for.

[Crimmy]

So why is it that foilist is voting right now, when he said NOT to?

[Crimmy]

Right now, if foilist is scum, then piling can't be filled, unless one of the remaining townies falls for his accusations. Which means he's trying to get me killed by making bull statements, and hoping a townie votes, and then his buddy will finish the scumpile.

Also, everybody is under suspicion right now. however, nobody replied to dimaba's cop claim so I feel almost certain he is a cop.
I know I'm a doc, but nobody would buy it, so it doesn't matter much.

foilist is really making a contradiction right now, and making really bad arguments, because he want's to hurry the kill.

[Crimmy]

More to post tomorrow (real time), in case I'm still alive.

[Crimmy]

Crimmy, you are not paying attention.

I know you are the scum. Period. There is no danger to the town in voting you.

There has been no counter claim to either of you. That proves that the two of you are either the scum, or PRs. If another power role existed they would come out now, or sacrifice the town.

This is why Kyiv is town:

Based on the two claims, you both have to be either scum of the PRs. In both of those cases Kyiv is town, 1 because you are the scum, or two because the cop investigation was legitimate.

Since you said kyiv is town, then the read was legit. If it's legit, then I'm the other power role, and you're scum. If I'm PR, Dimaba is PR, and Kyiv is town. So foilist and Jack are scum, so there.

Once more, why rush things, foilist, when you're the one who started the day by saying we should not rush it.

[Crimmy]

Well, do whatever you want.
I need sleep, and since I'm pretty sure you'll hammer me during my sleep, then I don't care much right now.

[Crimmy]

Crimmy, saying my arguments are bad without refuting them is as scummy a maneuver as it is possible to make.

Your point about no one questioning the cop claim is also factually inaccurate.

I am saying that you and Dimaba are scum buddies, and therefore both your claims are false.

None of my arguments are based in anything other than mathematical fact and the most relied upon scum tells in this game.

Of course I want to hurry the kill, because once you are dead, we win. You are blatantly ignoring the fundamental contradictions in your arguments, and ignoring the points I make about you. There is no way you could be anything other than the scum.

And you just said I made a contradiction, what was it? Please do tell. Does 1+1 not =2 anymore?

There is a way we're not, and you said it yourself. if the read was legit.
It is legit. And the fact that people have not refuted our claims doesn't mean it's fake.
it means that the other guys are not the PR's, and therefore, don't want to make a stupid mistake of saying the're the real Power Roles.


And I did say what were your contradictions.
Please do read the thread, don't just try to refute things making silly arguments.

[Crimmy]

Well, once more, do whatever you want.
Eyes are heavy, and tomorrow is important.

And it doesn't matter if the town loses, anyway.
It's just a game.

So do it, hammer on.

[Crimmy]

In case I'm dead, there is one saying here in Mexico:

"El que nada debe, nada teme."
"He, who hides naught, fears naught."

[Crimmy]

So, those are my final words.

Goodbye, gentlemen, and nice game.

[Crimmy]

@kyiv - for the love of god unvote until te debate is done. If you want to sign away the town then feel free. Our votes aren't important, yours is.

What, now you want us to go slow again?

Decide yourself, foilist.
Now, foilist has been very much active in the game, and his posts are make-believes of logic, but right now, it's not logic.

Explain to me, foilist, how can it be that voting you is less risky than voting me?
As far as I can tell, since none of us trusts the other one, and thus, both of us believe the other is scum.

I'm pretty sure I'm not scum, but that's an invalid argument, because only I can tell that for sure, right? So why is it that you're using that as your defense? I made a claim, but I'm trying to work more by myself, not using my claim to avoid getting lynched.

Getting back to my 2nd question.
None of us trusts the other. None of us believes in the other.
Both of us are trying to convince the town to vote for the other.

So how can it be that the odds of me being a PR are lesser than the odds of you being a scum? How can it be that the odds of me being town are lesser than than the odds of you being scum?

BOTH numbers are exactly the same, so don't try that game.

Now, as far as I can tell, you're ordering kyiv to retire the vote against you. Why? He has all the rights to vote for you, just like he has the same amount of rights to vote me, or anybody else.

Explain to me why is it that both dimaba and myself have refrained from voting against you. Got the answer?
Yeah, it would look scummy as hell.

You're asking kyiv to vote me. Why?
So when that happens, Jack comes to the rescue with his all-powerful hammer, and that's the end of the game.

Asking kyiv to unvote, and wait till the discussion is over is passive gaming.

Asking kyiv to vote me, and get me lynched is fast-play.

Now, why is it that you can't decide yourself? When in danger, you go "Hey guys, let's go easy, and slow".

When action takes it's turn against somebody else that's not you, nor Jack, you go" Get that sunovabish!".

As far as I can tell, that's very suspicious.

[Crimmy]

EBWOP: After the :"As far as I can tell, since none of us trusts the other one, and thus, both of us believe the other is scum.", I was gonna continue with: "Then both of us are gonna attack the other with everything we've got."

[Crimmy]

Okay, Let's make this legal, and try it...

And hope for the best...

Vote: foilist13

[Crimmy]

Hello there, Roleblocker.
I tried protecting dimaba.

So, who's next? Jackabomb?

[Crimmy]

Okay.
For the sake of Christmas Killing:

Vote: Jackabomb

[Crimmy]

First off.
I'm a newb in this forum, but that doesn't mean I'm necesarily newb to this game.

This game was great, and had good modding (thanks, Zorblag).

As for the players:

-Dimaba: Need more appearance on the game, man.
You almost looked like a total lurker. Try sharing your thoughts a bit more. But I feel that your general way of playing is great.

-cades: You really need to start de-lurking, and using something more than Appeal to Emotion. How about making some logic?

-CSL: Nice play, but in the near future, I would avoid doing things like giving permission to hammer when nobody else is around. That was one of your fatal mistakes.

-Michel: What can I say? Completely flawless logics. Nice thinking, and overall good player.

-foilist13: Dude, you managed to tick me off

in a game

. Truly praiseworthy, you managed to make me lose it. It was only due to the help of a nice pillow, and kyiv trust that I got back. Nice scum play, man.

-Jackabomb: Another great playing, you were only uncovered because of dimaba's claim. You fooled me into thinking you were townie, and that was great. Another nice scum play.

-kyiv: Didn't get the chance to play much with you, but that long post two pages ago was good. I guess you are a good player, but I can't tell for sure until I see more of you (either on other games, or playing another one with you.).

-brother: Completely lurked this game. All I can say is, you gonna play, you better post. And not just once. Try sharing your thoughts every once in a while (at least, every day).

-McGriddle: Dude. You too have to stop using AtE's as a defense. Other than that, great playing with you.

Game was good, and it was a close call. Scum, nice work.
Town, we all did good, too!