Newbie 871 - Game Over Town Win

[Incognito]

How to twiddle your thumbs

[Incognito]

They look like toes. x_x

[Ether]

Did you draw it? I remember your style being fuzzier.

Tyrope's getting close to 48 hours.

but one thing I learned from my first two games. When people are certain, it's for one reason only. They know.

I didn't see this. On top of everything else, I want a link to scum acting remotely like I am.

[Incognito]

Yeah. I didn't draw it the way I normally would.

[Annachie]

Annachie, talk to me, do you think that you have looked more scummy in the first six pages or the second six pages, if you acceot a change what explains it.

After trying for a while, I find I cant seperate from myself to give a proper answer.

Not sure of my availability over tommorow/weekend. But should be able to pop in at least.

[Ether]

What do you think of RayFrost?

In fact, List every player in the game.

[Ether]

Oh. By "separate," you were referring to Boberz's question.

In that case, answer my other stuff, too.

[starkmoon]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 5

Annachie

- 1 - herd456 - (L-4)

herd456

- 1 - Patrick - (L-4)

ksen

- 1 - boberz - (L-4)

RayFrost

- 3 - Ether, ksen, Incognito - (L-2)

Players not voting: Annachie, RayFrost, Tyrope

As Incog said, the vote count thingamy I am using didn't take too kindly to RayFrost replacing DarthRandal... this HAS however encouraged me to get my coding boots back on and make one that CAN deal with player replacements!

[Ether]

The order's wrong now, though.

What's the status on Herd?

[ksen]

Yarmond should be changed to Tyrope I believe. [/nitpick]

[starkmoon]

Don't start ksen! You saw what happened when I changed one person's name :-p

[Ether]

Did Herd pick up his prod?

[ksen]

Don't start ksen! You saw what happened when I changed one person's name :-p

Aye! Aye! ;^)

[Incognito]

Mod:

Annachie's voting Ether too. Also, what Ether said: has herd456 picked up his prod? We could probably do with a Tyrope prod too by the time you see this message (assuming he doesn't post in between that time).

[Ether]

Boberz: what are you struggling to answer, exactly? Are you trying to explain the train of thought you had on the fate of the Herd- and Ksenwagons, or to justify that it's still valid? If it's the latter, have you considered that it isn't?

[Tyrope]

I'm reading this topic very activly, just not posting every time because i think it will only clutter the topic with too much useless info, if this is a bad thing please say so

I find RayFrost suspiciously silent, but then again, he might be silent because of the same reason...

[Ether]

It is bad. Don't lurk.

RayFrost has been perfectly up-front about the fact that he hasn't actually read the thread because he doesn't want to commit to positions and help us find his scumbuddy before we put him out of his misery in a week. I'm not even worrying about him anymore, really.

What do you think of the Annachie stuff? Didn't you say you were planning to go back over us?

[boberz]

Boberz: what are you struggling to answer, exactly? Are you trying to explain the train of thought you had on the fate of the Herd- and Ksenwagons, or to justify that it's still valid? If it's the latter, have you considered that it isn't?

I look like a lurker I realise, I have played three ultimate games today and it is now midnight, I need a shower. I will do it once that is finished. I have not looked at it since my last putting it off post I am not necessarily stuggling and can certainly give you the logic i had i still believe it. I am sorry it will get done.

Meanwhile yes Tyrope that is bad, please provide info.

Annachie has seemed more scummy to me in the last few pages, I remember my very early notes being very slightly town.

[Ether]

You haven't actually answered my question. Which are you trying to do?

[boberz]

Sorry ether I was trying to find the time to explain my thinking about the ksen/herd wagons and their dissapearence and I will, since it has been a while evaluate whether it is still valid.

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Question: Why both?

Answer:

Assumption - scum were involved in some way with the pressure mving away from herd and ksen. NB// this may not just be votes moving, but focus as well.

Justification for assumption - firstly i have since admitted that this is not necessarily true and was in part at least just a hunch. However there was pressure which I think was not adequately dealt with I feel to some extent this pressure has gone and especially with ksen seems to have completely dissapeared, I am not convinced town would let this happen, this is now a new reason for me not moving my vote, but I am now considering it.

If scum were in some way involved in the relaxation of pressure on herd or ksen, I argue it would be in their interests to remove it from both. This is so in later game when one was revealed as scum this peron would not look like a partner.

Caveat: Whilst I definately consider this (this game sounds ever more like an eco essay now) a scumside factor it could still be town who do it, because they would not want to incriminate themselves by removing pressure from one person, and remove it from both. I think this is a bad idea for town but could see why they would do it.


In terms of "somebody noticing" that is more with reference to a later period of the game when one is revealed as scum. The whole point I was making is that I think one of them is scum, if neither is scum then my point is completely wrong. I did not try to incriminate incog in this moving of pressure in a scummy way, several people were involved in this moving of pressure. As I said I was to then examine who was to blame if anyone, this can only be done properly once one is revealed as scum but it is usefull to see scenarios now, I would not lynch based on this hypo scenarios but awarenees of them is usefull.

Equally i dont incriminate ether for similar reasons (i mnention this second becaus ei am going through in cronological post order and you were mentioned later)

Is it still valid: it is valid untill both herd and ksen are cleared, it cannot be as effective as I originally believed untill one or other of their roles is found, I accept that my highlighting it was not so effective now. But it is not untrue, and not invalid logic.

Did I miss any specific things levelled at me, it will not be a case of me not reading them just overlooking them for this post???

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As promised some more new stuff...

Actually this gonna make me sound like a broken record, but ksen on vote count/ vote counter/ name confusion is more white noise and I dont like it, he also gave no info in response to an 'anything to say' question which I dont like. My vote is there for this post still

As some may have sensed from my recent posts Annachie has beguin to look more suspicious but there is nothing he has done that I dont think a bad town player would do.

Ray Frost accusing me on pg 1 seemed fair enough and he was more coherent in his criticism of me than anyone was at the time (easy when reading back I know). However it seemed to take him a very long time to get to page 1, if I was replacing in I would know I have spare time so it confuses me a little but he could just be overeager.

Tyrone cannot be dropping out already can he, if not his dissapearence is strange.

[boberz]

Sorry tyrope isnt dropping out, you can tell it is late, in which case post more about your thoughts.

[Incognito]

omg thew scumz are totaly boberz and ray. this is so ez
i met this girl named noah tonight lol get it? like tha ark hahahaha

[Annachie]

Did you draw it? I remember your style being fuzzier.

Tyrope's getting close to 48 hours.

but one thing I learned from my first two games. When people are certain, it's for one reason only. They know.

I didn't see this. On top of everything else, I want a link to scum acting remotely like I am.

Can you honestly tell me that no-one has ever questioned you for using definitave statements about someone being town. Especially when based on a players say so?

Incog, as our resident IC and therefor 'source of wisdom', can you onestly tell me that someone using definitaves like Ether did isn't at least slightly scummy?

[Incognito]

Wow I was pretty wasted last night... I don't even know if I agree with what I said.

Annachie: Yeah, I think it could be scummy but that depends on the player who's using the definitive. In the case of Ether, I've seen her use definitives as town before, so I think it's either a null tell or a slight town tell for her (it's more likely to be a town tell for her if she's using the definitives to "clear" people as town -- a her-scum would want to keep her options open and would be less inclined to clear peoples as town).

I'll make a more coherent post later - I feel kinda funny.

[starkmoon]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 5

Annachie

- 1 - herd456 - (L-4)

Ether

- 1 - Annachie - (L-4)

herd456

- 1 - Patrick - (L-4)

ksen

- 1 - boberz - (L-4)

RayFrost

- 3 - Incognito, ksen, Ether - (L-2)

Players not voting: RayFrost, Yarmond