Mini 891 - British Comedy Mafia (Game Over)

[Snow_Bunny]

*is running*

Vote: Fuzzyman

Me no like fuzzy logic.

[Snow_Bunny]

Thanks for making things easier, scum.

Now, die please.

More fuzzy votes, please.

[Snow_Bunny]

I think that voting for no-lynch is scummy, whatever it's in the rvs or mid-day.

And I'm not seeing how such pressure formed on Josh for those posts. I'm even more suspicious of Budja jumping in the wagon.

[Snow_Bunny]

Whatever. I guess I not only suck at theory, I just suck at Mafia.

Lynch me, whatever. I'll be back in a day or so.

AtE, not good.

I think that voting for no-lynch is scummy, whatever it's in the rvs or mid-day.

Why?

Unless there is a strong reason to go for it, a no-lynch is a problem for town. Not only town misses a chance to catch scum, but also gives scum a free kill. And thus, anyone who even suggest it (again, unless given certain conditions), clearly has not the interest of town as a priority.

And I'm not seeing how such pressure formed on Josh for those posts. I'm even more suspicious of Budja jumping in the wagon.

Why Budja and not imag or me?

What caught my attention about Budja is that this is the second time he jumps opportunistically to a wagon (first with Fuzzy). You and imag didn't just jump in the Fuzzy wagon, instead you went the right way. You gave your reasons for voting Josh. Imag just tagged alone, that's right, but it was the second time for budja. I'm not saying jumping in a wagon is scummy per se. But the second time just raises some suspicious.

[Snow_Bunny]

@Snow, I like early wagons. What the big problem with it?

Well, jumping from one wagon to another without much reason is scum. And, just jumping from one wagon to another without scumhunting is also bad. So... yeah.

[Snow_Bunny]

@Budja: Your vote might be just a bit more than a random vote, but still, it is there. I don't like "I random voted in a wagon!" either.

Why do I think fuzzy voted for a no-lynch? The hell I know. I only know that he did something I consider a scumtell. And that's enough.

[Snow_Bunny]

@Budja: Your vote might be just a bit more than a random vote, but still, it is there. I don't like "I random voted in a wagon!" either.

Why not?

When you throw in a random vote in a forming serious wagon, you are just being opportunistic.

Why do I think fuzzy voted for a no-lynch? The hell I know. I only know that he did something I consider a scumtell. And that's enough.

Does context play any role in your scumhunting?

Please explain, as currently I am not understanding what you want to ask me (and neither how that question has any relation with what you quoted.)

[Snow_Bunny]

Welcome Blood. When you get caught up, I'd like to here your thoughts on Josh Lyman issue and SB's thoughts on Budja and Fuzzy.

I'm getting a scum read on Budja. On Fuzzy, the only thing that bothers me is the no-lynch vote. I find that scummy, but it's only that.

[Snow_Bunny]

I am not liking Lyman's wagon at all. Too quick, too scummy.

[Snow_Bunny]

I am not liking Lyman's wagon at all. Too quick, too scummy.

What do you suggest then?

Unvote, vote: Budja

^More of those.

[Snow_Bunny]

Budja's 70 is pretty much exactly what I was going to say. 1)

Budja's vote on Fuzzy was clearly not random,

as he quite specifically explained why he voted. So, why was this vote opportunistic?

This post has something for you:

@Snow,

my vote on fuzzy was only a bit better than a random vote.

Josh's wagon is superior so I changed. I changed because I agreed with Macavity's case.

It was NOT clearly random. Either that, or Budja is lying at his convenience. Opportunistic in either case.

2) You said that you consider Fuzzy voting No Lynch a scumtell. Why didn't you examine the context of said vote? As Budja said, and I agree with, it was very clearly an attempt to leave the RVs.

You can believe that, but I'm not 100% sure. I say no-lynch votes are bad almost always, you say that there's no problem with that one.

Snow_Bunny, on another note, we've now had a player do the same wagon-jumping as Budja, only far more egregious. Chinaman

random

-voted Fuzzy on page 1 (4th vote), and has now jumped to the Lyman-wagon (5th vote). SB, is this opportunistic? Is it scummy? Is it scummier than Budja? Why haven't you commented on it?

(By the way, welcome BC.)

I didn't notice that (possibly because I'm getting a better vibe from his posts than from Budja's). But now that you mention it, it is quite opportunistic. However, I still find Budja the scummiest. His contradiction on his stance regarding Fuzzy's vote ("a bit better than random" and "was weak, but not random"), the questions he asks to different players (I find this a common tactic among scum), opportunistic, and general scum vibe are the major points against him.

[Snow_Bunny]

My thoughts on Lyman is that he's a town playing poorly. His wagon formed way to quick for him to be scum.

In the other hand, we have budja, obvscum, who needs to be lynched.

[Snow_Bunny]

Snow_Bunny: so you think there's more than one scum on Josh's wagon? Do you think anyone other than Budja jumped on 'too quick'?

Quite possibly, though I don't know how. Maybe China, but I'm not sure.

Lol, no I didn't. I was trying to be cute like SnowBunny, tbh. On the otherhand, don't let that mislead you....I do want JL swinging by days end.

Right. Weak excuse for an attempt of a quick hammer. And, tbh, you just can't be cute like me.

Josh's claim is just odd. I don't know, one doesn't say "I'm a Vanilla Townie, except for this ability!" I don't like that claim, and even it is testable it says nothing about Josh's alignment.

Budja, elaborate your thoughts further, please. Also, I'm twice in your list. I know you are happy trying to blend as town, scum, and imma let ya finish, but please correct that.

[Snow_Bunny]

SB:

Right. Weak excuse for an attempt of a quick hammer. And, tbh, you just can't be cute like me. Razz

Well, the first part is wrong, but you're prolly right about the second. How do you feel about those trying to link your alignment to JL's? Namely Imag and then Budja.

Meh, I'm letting they believe such nonsenses for now. Trying to link a player with another is weak and bad scumhunting. Each player defines its own actions, and the scumminess of them.

[Snow_Bunny]

Fix'd:

SB:

Right. Weak excuse for an attempt of a quick hammer. And, tbh, you just can't be cute like me. Razz

Well, the first part is wrong, but you're prolly right about the second. How do you feel about those trying to link your alignment to JL's? Namely Imag and then Budja.

Meh, I'm letting they believe such nonsenses for now. Trying to link a player with another is weak and bad scumhunting. Each player defines its own actions, and the scumminess of them.

[Snow_Bunny]

Scum is known to claim everything. Including horrible and non-easily faked claims. Just outing this.

I don't like the claim (but it can be true), but I still think Josh is town playing poorly.

[Snow_Bunny]

More Budja votes, please.

[Snow_Bunny]

Mod: I'm having serious connection problems, so I'm a bit of LA for now. I'll try to fix this as soon as possible.

[Snow_Bunny]

I felt a bit behind, so I'll try to catch up as soon as possible.

Lack of Budja votes makes me sad. Let's see if someone has taken over his place.

[Snow_Bunny]

I don't see why people are attacking Josh when he has an easily confirmed claim. And, after all, Budja is the right lynch for today.

[Snow_Bunny]

More Budja votes, please.

Do you want more votes, or do you already think of Budja as lynch-worthy?

I think he's lynch-worthy.

I have no interest in a Budja wagon right now and feel like a

Vote: Neto

is in order.

Then, what's your stance on Budja? Do you think he's town?

Wait a minute....So if someone were to NK someone you stumped, they'd then be unable to post?

1. Kill actions trump stumping, so if I target someone who is also targeted for a kill, they are

killed dead

and can't post anymore.

I'm quoting rather than rephrasing, as I just don't know how to make it any more clear.

It's hard to believe that you are quoting a message with the mod when that usually ends with modkilling. I mean, it is possible, but unless the mod confirms that quoting communication is allowed, I'll think this is false.

FoS: Josh

I don't see why people are attacking Josh when he has an easily confirmed claim. And, after all, Budja is the right lynch for today.

Snowbunny...his claim is NOT easily provable, and even if it was, I don't know if I would want him to. Read my previous post and tell me a 100% way to prove it and even if we could prove it, how it would be helpful to town in any way...

I would FOS you for this post, but I'm assuming it's because you are still catching up. If you are done catching up, let me know.

Ok, read your last posts, and the pages about Josh's claims, and I'll have to agree with the points brought up. The claim just got bad enough (I wasn't even aware it was a one-shot and had all those restrictions, so, it seems it's not easily confirmable), and I'm not buying it. I thought he was town playing poorly, but unless that crappy claim is truth, I don't think that's possible.

I still think Budja is lynch-worthy, but Josh just took his post.

Unvote, vote: Josh

[Snow_Bunny]

sorry, I know this isn't original, but I still think it's right. In fact I don't understand the Budja wagon

vote: Josh Lyman

So you will just hop on the wagon like that?

[Snow_Bunny]

Oh, sorry. IF you felt that the answer was obvious, why would you ask?

Seriously, though, I've never heard of a scumteam having a one-shot vig, even in coney island. It unbalances it too much to give them a second kill.

Try reading forbiddanlight's TTGL mafia.

[Snow_Bunny]

Everyone: We need everyone to answer these please. Do you think JL really has the power he claimed? If JL really has this power, do you think it's a scum PR or town PR? If it's a town PR, do you want him to use it N1? If yes, do you think we should collectively discuss who he should use it on, a list of a few people he should use it on one of, or just let him choose on his own?

It's possible, but I'm leaning towards he not having it. Would he really have it, I think it's a town PR. But again, I don't think he has it. Seems like a good scum gambit where he comes D2 and claims that scum just killed the same target he stumped.

My gut still says that Budja is the best lynch, but I'm happy with my vote on Josh as of now.

Also,

FoS: dana

.

[Snow_Bunny]

Again, mod, connection issues here, so I'm kind of LA for now.

[Snow_Bunny]

@MC: I stayed out of the first Lyman's wagon because it was crap. It was after his claim. Then he made that horrendous claim, and that's when I voted for him. And, what exactly are the wrong reasons?

[Snow_Bunny]

SB, what's wrong with the claim?

Well, a one-shot town stump-maker (that can be killed, btw) is just too weird. As I said, it's more likely a gambit.

[Snow_Bunny]

So close to deadline we need to define this right now. I'm up to a Budja or Josh lynch, but I wouldn't want it to be a rush decision.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ok.

Unvote, vote: Budja

[Snow_Bunny]

Can someone make the New Year miracle and hammer Budja?

[Snow_Bunny]

I wanted the lynch because I felt the game stalled. The claim is not good enough, and thus, I still support the lynch.

Nice slip, BC. But that will be looked further upon D2.

[Snow_Bunny]

If you read my meta, once I have a target, I pursue him until lynched (unless a better target appears, which this isn't the case).

[Snow_Bunny]

I find anti-town to prolong a day for too long, but well, that's just me.

[Snow_Bunny]

You.....you.....you just claimed Mason! And you're asking us to go to night

without revealing your partner

! No way I'm hammering before we hear more.

And I'll go ahead and say it - I know that your little hypothesis is false because I am vanilla and have no further information or role.

Nobody else follow up on his little rolefishing attempt here. Unless he verifies that Mason claim, I recommend lynching him. Immediately.

"You are Mason! We can't let town have confirmed townies! Quickly! Tell me who is your other partner so we can kill you during the night!"

I don't care about the line of thoughts. The mason claim was bad as hell. But you asking to reveal the other partner? That's worst.

MFOS: Net

[Snow_Bunny]

Look, China's partner can claim when they consider it best. They may not wait until LyLo.
Also China isn't guaranteed by any means to die tonight.

Let the masons sort that out.

@Snow, what about Fuzzy's reaction?

I was so shocked with Net scum claim that I ignored this. Ah, it seems we have the whole scum team down. Easy game.

MFOS: Fuzzy

[Snow_Bunny]

Net is not scum either. Scum would have hammered me and not attacked the mason.

That's assuming you are town, which you are not.

@DS: Net was asking for the other mason to be outed. That's scum as claiming scum.

[Snow_Bunny]

Because there's no pro-town reason to ask the other mason partner outed so early.

[Snow_Bunny]

Sure there is. I think China is lying about his claim.

First, if you think he's lying, why then ask for the partner? And second, that doesn't change the point that asking a mason to out his partner is scummy.

Eh, a snow bunny lynch isn't bad but I have nothing on her save a little gut.

BC, Locke and Fuzzy (his attack on China was scummy) are better IMO.

unvote, vote Snow

, I would gladly switch to lynch the above if anyone is interested.

If you have nothing on me save a little gut, how can you say my lynching isn't bad? In conclusion, you are fine lynching someone for the sake of it. Right, scum? You say that you prefer to lynch scum than die, then, self-hammer .

Net is also there with Budja. Net is bussing Budja, but that won't help. I love games where scum is so blatantly obvious! Now, please, die scums.

[Snow_Bunny]

Apologies for my AWOL, holiday craziness and travel, I have time to get properly stuck into this game again as of tomorrow.

For now:

First, if you think he's lying, why then ask for the partner?

That is a terrible question.


I think Budja is town, but with him claiming vanilla, I will vote him before deadline if it's that or no-lynch. However I would prefer a Snow_Bunny lynch.

Unvote; vote Snow_Bunny.

So... You want to lynch me based on a supposedly terrible question?

If you think Budja is town, then why not pursue somebody else? What are your thoughts on Net? On Fuzzy?

[Snow_Bunny]

Hey all, sorry, but the snow wiped out my satellite link out here in the boonies. Will catch up tonight

Wasn't me!

[Snow_Bunny]

Snow_bunny is someone to look at in future days. While she has been extremely scummy, we haven't discussed enough and it won't give us enough information tomorrow. We can debate her positions at dawn and see where they take us.

Pardon me, but, extremely scummy? Elaborate, please.

Also,

mod: Going on VLA 'til Tuesday.

[Snow_Bunny]

Hmm... Interesting theory about Budja/Mac/Imag. Though, to be honest, I'm getting more of a read of a Mac/Imag without Budja (well, I see more possible a Net/Budja team, and I hardly see 4 scums). One way or another, we have nailed the scum. Easy game.

[Snow_Bunny]

Net's lack of answer to how I'm "extremely scummy" is also noted.

[Snow_Bunny]

*sigh*

How people can miss Budja's scumminess? I have played with blind townies before, but this is the first time it's so bad.

[Snow_Bunny]

My thoughts for now: I believe China's mason claim. I'm still suspicious of Net and Fuzzy. I was suspicious of Imag based on a link with Mac, but as Mac turned town, those suspicious have lessened.

Vote: Net

[Snow_Bunny]

Fuzzy also tried outing China's partner, so if you're going to call Net on it, it's only right to call Fuzzy out on it, too

I already have. Check out my iso.

Why? You need to give reasons for your statements.

I already have. Check out my iso.

[Snow_Bunny]

EBWOP

My thoughts for now: I believe China's mason claim. I'm still suspicious of Net and Fuzzy. I was suspicious of Imag based on a link with Mac, but as Mac turned town, those suspicious have lessened.

Vote: Net

Either I can't read or weren't you the one who said that trying to link a player with another is weak and bad scumhunting? (post 122)
So why were you doing it yourself?


Also, SB and Imaginality, please help me a bit and link 3 town games and 3 scum games each.

I don't follow. My suspicious of Imag were based mostly on his link with Mac, but as you say, I don't find links between players a strong tell, and thus why my vote lays on Net.

I'm sorry if I find rude, but if I can take the time to find six past games of my own, I'm pretty sure you can as well. There's a search option in the forum, you know.

[Snow_Bunny]

@SB
Congrats. You're even better at dodging questions than Kikuchiyo. Sorry, Kik, but you've been downgraded to second place.
SB, respond to post 683.

How can I respond to 683 if it isn't towards me? What exactly do you want me to respond to?

As for post 686, my question is easy: Why would you use something that you see as weak and as bad scumhunting?

Because sometimes you don't have anything else, and you have to work with the tools you can afford, even if they are weak and bad. Also, btw, I love the twisting of words here. IIRC, I said that linking a player for the actions of another is bad. I found a link between Mac and Imag, going both ways. But as Mac turned town, guess that link is nothing worth looking at.

And about the bit of the search. You know which games you've played. And I'd think that you'd know in which games you were town and which games you were scum. That's so much easier than the search function with the issues MS lately has and my slow internet connection.
Guess I don't have to count on your help.

I don't have the time, nor I want to do it. The problem is, you wouldn't take more than an extra couple of minutes reading my games. Also, if you read my sig, you would notice that I only have one finished game as scum, and you wouldn't be asking that stuff.

[Snow_Bunny]

@SB
Thanks for noting that I referred to the wrong post number. I wanted you to respond to post 679.
And no. If you think that the reasons you're using is bad, you don't use them. Only scum do that. As for you saying that I'm twisting your words, let's look at your quotes:

Trying to link a player with another is weak and bad scumhunting.

I was suspicious of Imag based on a link with Mac

What's the difference according to you?

First of all, I'm a slow analyser as English isn't my main language. So looking at multiple games of yours won't take a couple of minutes, but a lot more.
As you're now stating that you've played only one game as scum (Though it seems you've been 3rd party once as well. Want that one as well), it shouldn't be hard to name that one, now should it? Because me having to look through all your finished games and ongoing games will take more time then you just mentioning it.
Also, my thought process when I look at a post:
-Look at avatar/username to see who wrote it.
-Look at content.
-Analysis it if needed.
-(If sig), See short black like. End of post. Continue with the next one.
In other words, I don't look at sigs.

On the first point about the link between two players, let me elaborate further on it. I find it weak if player A creates a link with player B and then A turns up scum. With Imag and Mac, it was more of a A has a link with B, and B has a link with A. Did you see the difference? One is one-way, the other is two ways. It's easy for scum to buddy to one player, regardless of alignment, and thus why I find that weak. But if two players bud between themselves, it's a whole different story, and should one of them turn up scum, then it's a scumtell for the other. See the point?

On the other point, damn it, aren't you annoying? Instead of wasting your time asking me, you could have as well used that time to find the games. Ok, I'll tell you, just because I'm on the mood for it.

Third party:
Legacy of Ancient Mafia

Scum:
Open 172 - Mini Love

Town:
Mini 849 - Return to Smalltown Y
Mini 867- TTGL Mafia
Newbie #840

There, enjoy.

[Snow_Bunny]

@SB
I don't follow something. Both Netopalis and FM have asked for the second mason claim. That's why you think they are scummy, not? So why does Neto get your vote, when you asked FM to die already after he made a no-lynch vote?
I want to hear your FM case and Neto case and why you choose Neto over FM, right now.

Asking for a mason claim is only part of why I find them scummy. It's true that I became suspicious of Net after the mason-claim thingy, but more suspicious added with time. With Fuzzy there's the no-lynch thing, and yes, I've asked him to die already, but to be honest, there could be pro-town reasons for him voting for a no-lynch, as he explained. And thus, the chain of suspicious go Net > Fuzzy. That being said, I won't get mad if either of them gets lynched today, though I prefer Net over Fuzzy.

Now, I don't follow you as well, What's exactly the problem in me voting for Net and not Fuzzy?

[Snow_Bunny]

Really, all of that seems like a very weak and obvious way to defend Net. I don't have a case against him, but, why do I need one? It's like if you are trying to find a way to go for Net and have a safe cushion where to fall should suspicious fall on you.

From all of this I've gotten more suspicious of you.

FoS: San

[Snow_Bunny]

Mod: I'm moving to a new house, and thus I'm LA until new advice. I'll at least try to keep up.

[Snow_Bunny]

Further, there's the whole "Net Scum Claim" thing that was so absolutely ridiculous. She claims that I claimed scum, without explaining why, how or where. I think she was referring to my asking about the masonry...but as others have said, that is a perfectly logical request given certain circumstances.

It's ridiculous for you, but not for me. No, asking for a mason partner is scummy. Period. You may want to hide your attemp behind pseudo protown reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that you are scum.

Finally, she utterly fails in her posts today. She claims the supposed link between myself and fuzzy as a justification for voting for me (despite her earlier statement that it's not a strong tell) and states that Fuzzy's no lynch points to

my

guilt. Illogical, irrelevant and clearly an attempt to lynch one of the more active players for little-to-no reason at all.

Learn to read! When where how did I say there was a link between you and Fuzzy? Where did I say that Fuzzy asking for a no-lynch makes you guilty?

Wow, nice attemp to discredit me. That's not how you play mafia. Unless, of course, you are MAFIA.

[Snow_Bunny]

. And thus, the chain of suspicious go Net > Fuzzy.

I though that this was referring to linking me to Fuzzy? I could be wrong.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the mason claim thing. I'm not budging from the fact that I believe that it was a logical pro-town move. Take from that what you will.

Yes, you could be wrong. I meant that you are more suspicious than Fuzzy.

Sanhora, I don't get what it's wrong with you. I am not dodging anything. You want a case on Net? Then go build it yourself. I am stating my reasons of why I'm voting him over Fuzzy, and if you don't like them, then be yourself. I'm getting tired of your annoying insistence. Really, it seems more and more to me that you are trying to distract us from going after Net. Sorry, that won't happen.

[Snow_Bunny]

Sorry for being away, but I'm still in LA.

But, it's good to know that we have the scum team narrowed.

[Snow_Bunny]

Net is scum, despise all the emotional appeal.

I'm still LA, btw.

[Snow_Bunny]

I want to wait and hear what Imag has to say for his night action. In the mean time, Fuzzy's a great candidate.

Elli, care to elaborate on DS?

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, with no more cop results, I guess I'll go with my top suspect.

Vote: Fuzzy

[Snow_Bunny]

I really don't think massclaim would help us at all. A no lynch seems like a better option. I support it.

Those two masons are acting really strange, though DS's 976 reeks scum trying to blend in as town.

[Snow_Bunny]

And I am going to need a detailed explanation of why we should even consider a no-lynch when it is the only tool we have to kill scum.

That's the part that reeks

scum

trying to blend in as town. Not town acting like town.

[Snow_Bunny]

And I am going to need a detailed explanation of why we should even consider a no-lynch when it is the only tool we have to kill scum.

That's the part that reeks

scum

trying to blend in as town. Not town acting like town.

Why specifically is the difference?

Town "acting" like town is natural. Scum acting like town isn't.

[Snow_Bunny]

Can't post much now, but I wanted to leave clear that I'm like 80% sure Faraday is scum. Call it gut. Strong gut.

[Snow_Bunny]

I'm Ben Elton, and for the wording of my PM, I assume I'm VT.

Gut tells me Faraday is scummy, but me wonders why would DGB vote for him if we are going for a no lynch. That can be seen as well as scum trying to push the suspicious raised by my post and try to win the game easily. Hmm...

[Snow_Bunny]

Ugh, DGB and her eagerness to lynch strike me as utterly scummy, but I rather see what happens after another night.

In my role pm it doesn't say "you are vanilla townie". However, I have nothing special, and thus I assume I'm vanilla.

Vote: No lynch

[Snow_Bunny]

No. No-lynch is a better idea. It is in fact, the best play to achive a town win condition.

Vote: No-lynch

[Snow_Bunny]

No. No-lynch is a better idea. It is in fact, the best play to achive a town win condition.

Vote: No-lynch

I dunt get it.

What don't you get? Our chances to win are higher if we go with a no-lynch.

[Snow_Bunny]

Let's assume the following:

9 towns, 3 scums (balanced, and lack of kills outrules third party).

We are currently 6 alive, that means 4 towns and 2 scums. If we mislynch, we lose (3 towns 2 scums enter the night, 2 towns and 2 scums begin next day, we lose). We have technically speaking 2/6 chances of hitting scum.

If we go with a no-lynch, we go 4 towns into the night, and we, if there is a kill, next day starts with 3 towns and 2 scums. We have technically speaking 2/5 chances of hitting scum.

Last time I checked, 2/5 > 2/6, and thus, we have better chances of winning if we no-lynch.

Clear?

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, still, it's the best option. Why would we hand down the game to scum?

Also, scum should be playing to win. And no-killing trying to reach a happy ending is not playing to win. Just saying...

[Snow_Bunny]

Ah, this is so confusing.

It's either DS/Faraday or the "masons." (I still prefer a no-lynch.) Though, Imag brings good points about the risk of claiming masons so early.

Hmm... I still prefer no-lynch for the moment.

[Snow_Bunny]

Mod: When's the deadline?

[Snow_Bunny]

@Faraday:
a) Because they were acting weird? Really, they give me a bad vibe. Like, scum who think they have the game on their hands and what to push town towards that end. I really don't like the feeling they give me, but it's mostly gut.
b) Probably. As I said, scum no NK isn't playing to their win condition (I remember a mod once told me that in a past game), and I would assume that is a must.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ah, I didn't want to do this, but I fear this may be the only way to bring something good for town other than a no-lynch.

I'm the doc. I protected imaginality, and thus I'm certain that he's town. That leave me with either DS/Faraday or the "masons."

If I'm killed tonight, well, I guess it falls in your hands town.

[Snow_Bunny]

I'm sorry, I was VLA, and I'm still busy as of now.

I will post something tomorrow. Sorry.

[Snow_Bunny]

what were your other protects snow?

One-shot, so I didn't protect anyone else.

Bleh there's not a whole lot from day 1 to inicate china/bc aren't masons. I know they're not, but I don't see anything from the day to indicate it.

Also in terms of possible set-up's

1-shot cop/stumper/doc/masons is way overpowered for town. That's 5 power roles out of 9 for the town. And the stumper/cop/doc are sorta provable and confirmed town masons act pretty much as a 1-shot cop by themselves. Take out the masons and it leaves 3 power roles, which is pretty much the standard for most mini games afaik.

The set-up is crazy if it's like that, unless scum have ridiculous powers, and from what we've seen they don't (iam flipped a goon)

This kind of makes sense. But, with the town roles being only 1-shot, isn't it possible that setup?

Snow_Bunny, if you're around, which pair are you leaning towards as being the scum?

Ah, I'm leaning towards the masons. I mean, it could be a huge and risky gambit, but it could be done. Why? Because, usually, and just usually, town doesn't lynch masons unless there's a strong proof against them (and this isn't the case). A cop, specially a 1-shot cop wouldn't spend his investigation in them, unless there would be lots of suspicions (though I don't think they would know that, but that it's explained by the failed attemp to kill the cop, the only one who could unmask their plan). And, if we add wifom to the soup (from "oh, scum didn't kill us last night to make town think we're the bad guys!"), we have a good gambit.

So, in conclusion, I'm leaning towards the masons. I admit that DGB often acts a bit suspicious for my standards, but I can't just get the idea of a gambit out of my mind.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ah, it's time to toss the dices...

Unvote, vote: DGB

[Snow_Bunny]

Bah! It's your fault masons for playing so scummy!