Mini 892 - Mayor Mafia (GAME OVER)
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xRECKONERx GD is my Best Man
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nhammen Mafia Scum
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More from my reread:
Why?MonkeyMan576 wrote:Very contradictory.
Vote: SaintKerrigan
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Give us your thoughts.MonkeyMan576 wrote:SaintKerrigan wrote:
I didn't blindly agree. I actually thought about it.Socrates wrote:
@ MIC: Okay, consider argument dropped. Right now, I'm a little wary of Monkey. He just seemed to jump straight on to the Post 66 argument, blindly agreeing with what you said.-
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nhammen Mafia Scum
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Dumb quote tags. I deleted Socrates' quote to save space, but didn't delete the [quote] tag.-
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MonkeyMan576 Jack of All Trades
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I think he actually was indicating he wanted to be mayor, and then later said that he didn't want it after realizing there could be implications to overtly campaigning yourself.nhammen wrote:More from my reread:
Why?MonkeyMan576 wrote:Very contradictory.
Vote: SaintKerrigan
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MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Give us your thoughts.SaintKerrigan wrote:
I didn't blindly agree. I actually thought about it.Socrates wrote:
@ MIC: Okay, consider argument dropped. Right now, I'm a little wary of Monkey. He just seemed to jump straight on to the Post 66 argument, blindly agreeing with what you said.-
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nhammen Mafia Scum
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It looked to me like Serial wanted everyone to comment on it. Commenting and showing why he is not a good candidate looks like he didn't want to be mayor to me. Your argument looks like pure BS. And the fact that Monkey is willing to agree with such a BS argument is a bit odd.Moai Interceptor Cannons wrote: Do people really not see the discrepancy between answering Serial's mayoral test thing and then claiming he doesn't want to be mayor?
So, Monkey, can you quote specifically where he was "indicating he wanted to be mayor"?-
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nhammen Mafia Scum
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!! Especially considering that Serial did the SAME THING in the post where he asked the question. Why are you two attacking Saint for this but not Serial?-
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charter Beware of Dog
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charter Beware of Dog
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MonkeyMan576 Jack of All Trades
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If charter thinks someone is scum, I would take it as evidence they are town...
From Muppets mafia...
Kirby was towncharter wrote: Kirbyoshi is scum. Slam dunk.
vote Kirbyoshi
I was town.charter wrote:Well, looks like I can't nail you(monkeyman576) to a cross due to a technicality (not talking about my catch up post), but I'm still really sure you're scum.-
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Col.Cathart Mafia Scum
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Eh? What kind of argument is this? I was wrong on my scum reads many times, but I had a pretty decent amount of correct reads as well. In Commie Mafia, Charter was wrong on several reads (Coco/Raskol, me, Serial) but he was also correct with Peabody.
This is not an argument. This is bullshit.
Actually most of your posts are bullshit.
unvote
vote: MonkeyMan
I still have a scum read on Reckoner, but now he takes the 2nd spot.
In other news:
unsupport
support: Socrates
Socrates seems obvtown to me, and uses very good logic all around. Hoopla is a good player as well but with her problems with Internet, I cannot really get a good read on her.[b]Mini 934[/b] is [b]over![/b] Thanks to everyone participating.
[i]What the hell? That Colonel guy was awesome.[/i] - Fate-
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charter Beware of Dog
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Monkey, if you're going to try and use ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE arguments such as this, at least put a little effort in to it. That was referring to Elvis, WHO WAS SCUM. Really don't know why you'd try this, even if you had your facts straight, it's astronomically scummy.
I changed my vote too soon. Apologies. Anyone not voting Monkey, please explain why.
unvote, vote Monkey-
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MonkeyMan576 Jack of All Trades
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nhammen Mafia Scum
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Because the fact that I was sure he was scum in Day Night, and he happened to be a townie, is causing me to hold back. But, I am letting the fact that I was wrong once give him a free pass, and that is bad play.Vote: Monkey-
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Also, I kept forgetting about the rules of this game (at least Day 1) until just now, when I voted for him.-
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charter Beware of Dog
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nhammen Mafia Scum
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Yes, but he played that bad in Day Night as well. Horrible arguments, and not backing down when everyone else said his arguments were horrible. I've seen this before. Bad logic is not always a scumtell.
But after saying that, I cannot let the fact that he plays badly give him a free pass. If he's scum it would let him get away with anything.
Additionally, he never answered these questions:
So, Monkey, can you quote specifically where he was "indicating he wanted to be mayor"?Especially considering that Serial did the SAME THING in the post where he asked the question. Why are you two attacking Saint for this but not Serial?-
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nhammen Mafia Scum
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Oh I see. You mean if I had read the game he is quoting. OK-
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SerialClergyman Mafia Scum
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nhammen, I assume charter is so keen to push my mayorship because the last three games I've been in I've played quite well in, and had good scumreads for the most part. I'm also very active and very into the game, as he learnt when he read the dead player's quicktopic for our last game and saw how much of my hair I ripped out while watching the final day's play.
If it was anyone else I'd be utterly suspicious, but in this case I think it's an example of charter reverse tunnelling
Some thoughts:
1) Why SC doesn't like Monkey.
Essentially obvious. Originally the reaction to the wagon, which is looking less sound given his play. It's possible there's bad play not scum here, and I've certainly seen little evidence of defence for him apart from MIC.
2) Why SC doesn't like Socrates.
This looks to me like the goal of the entire bit of play. I don't have much problem with the statement itself, it's the grandiose nature of what he's said that makes me somewhat suspicious.Oh well. I am ready to drop this. The point is this: I want to be mayor, and it is not scummy for me to say so, contrary to what multiple players in this game have said.
It is roughly equally important to get mayor for scum and town. Thus both scum and town have a reason to try to get themselves elected to the position.
However if scum refuses the mayorship, then the chances that the mayor will go to their team are greatly lessened. If a town member refuses the mayor role, the chances remain high it will end up in the hands of a townie.
So on the face of it, before WIFOM is introduced, it looks to me like scum would be more likely to want it than to not.
Now, I accept that there is town motivation to want it as well, which is why the action is not scummy. But to call people not wanting the mayorship scummy, when in fact it hurts scum more than town to be in this position, is a bizarre argument that takes a fair bit of WIFOM to even approach. (Scum want to be seen to do things that hurt scum so they refuse the mayorship to be seen to be more town).
As such, I think I'm coming ot the opinion that I don't want Socrates to be mayor. He's just made too big a deal out of his proposition. I dont' necessarily think he's scum, but he has me uneasy because of it.
Finally - what's with ignoring the meta you have on me Socrates? You know exactly how I play and you've seen me deliberately take a lynch because I thought it was the best thing for my team. You know that I have a heavy team-first attitude, so why ask me?
3) Why SC doesn't like DDD
DDD is even more abrasive than usual. He's done little to nothing to help out yet still is on a high horse. I think he's going for a untouchable town look, or it's just his time of the month. Either way, a DDD lynch would draw no tears from me at the moment.
I'm actually more and more keen about Hoopla's plan to lynch the mayor.I'm old now.-
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charter Beware of Dog
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I don't really get why you don't like Socrates, Serial. You kind of start out saying you think he's suspicious, but then at the end, you don't know whether he's scum or not. If the reason is gut, that's fine, but I don't know if that's why or what the reason is.
Can we tone all this mayor theory stuff way down. It seriously is not a huge deal today. I'm quite uneasy about Hoopla, because that's all she's been doing lately, even though she recognizes this. Inundating everyone with mayor theory isn't helpful and is pretty much textbook scummy active lurking.-
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I understand. Please give me until tomorrow, and I will make some non-mayor theory game posts. I will have the opportunity then.charter wrote: Can we tone all this mayor theory stuff way down. It seriously is not a huge deal today. I'm quite uneasy about Hoopla, because that's all she's been doing lately, even though she recognizes this. Inundating everyone with mayor theory isn't helpful and is pretty much textbook scummy active lurking.
If you (or anyone) have any major issues you want me to address, let me know and I will get to them first before I type up some more thoughts.-
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SerialClergyman Mafia Scum
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Charter - i think most of socrates' play so far, including his suspicions on who is scum, stem from the assumption that town should want to be mayor.
I think this is at the least a flawed piece of reasoning as outlined above, scum have even more reason to want it.
So the question is whether he is doing this as justification for his own hard push for the job, or if he is genuine but wrong.
I don't know at the moment but I'm far from comfortable giving him the major role.I'm old now.-
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Fifth support count of day 1:
charter (0)
kyle99 (1)Hoopla
Moai Interceptor Cannons (1)MonkeyMan576
Debonair Danny DiPietro (0)
SerialClergyman (0)
Hoopla (2)SerialClergyman, kyle99
* Socrates (4)Socrates, Debonair Danny DiPietro, charter, Col.Cathart
MonkeyMan576 (0)
xRECKONERx (0)
nhammen (2)nhammen, Moai Interceptor Cannons
Col.Cathart (0)
SaintKerrigan (0)
Not supporting anyone (2)SaintKerrigan, xRECKONERx
With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to elect someone as mayor.
an * marks who would become mayor if the day ended right now.
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Fifth vote count of day 1:
charter (0)
kyle99 (0)
Moai Interceptor Cannons (0)
Debonair Danny DiPietro (0)
SerialClergyman (0)
Hoopla (0)
Socrates (1)xRECKONERx
MonkeyMan576 (6)Socrates, SerialClergyman, Hoopla, Col.Cathart, charter, nhammen
xRECKONERx (0)
nhammen (0)
Col.Cathart (0)
SaintKerrigan (3)Debonair Danny DiPietro, Moai Interceptor Cannons, MonkeyMan576
Not voting anyone (2)kyle99, SaintKerrigan
With 13 votes available, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone. However, noone can be lynched before a mayor is elected.There is no 'a' in Michel.-
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