Mini 892 - Mayor Mafia (GAME OVER)

[xRECKONERx]

@nhammen: MIC changed his support off of me, and I was jokingly-upset-and-pleading for him not to do so.

@MIC: You talked about me and Socrates - what makes you support me over nhammen for mayor?

[nhammen]

More from my reread:

Very contradictory.

Vote: SaintKerrigan
Support: Moai Interceptor Cannons

Why?

@ MIC: Okay, consider argument dropped. Right now, I'm a little wary of Monkey. He just seemed to jump straight on to the Post 66 argument, blindly agreeing with what you said.

I didn't blindly agree. I actually thought about it.

Give us your thoughts.

[nhammen]

Dumb quote tags. I deleted Socrates' quote to save space, but didn't delete the [quote] tag.

[MonkeyMan576]

More from my reread:

Very contradictory.

Vote: SaintKerrigan
Support: Moai Interceptor Cannons

Why?

@ MIC: Okay, consider argument dropped. Right now, I'm a little wary of Monkey. He just seemed to jump straight on to the Post 66 argument, blindly agreeing with what you said.

I didn't blindly agree. I actually thought about it.

Give us your thoughts.

I think he actually was indicating he wanted to be mayor, and then later said that he didn't want it after realizing there could be implications to overtly campaigning yourself.

[nhammen]

Do people really not see the discrepancy between answering Serial's mayoral test thing and then claiming he doesn't want to be mayor?

It looked to me like Serial wanted everyone to comment on it. Commenting and showing why he is not a good candidate looks like he didn't want to be mayor to me. Your argument looks like pure BS. And the fact that Monkey is willing to agree with such a BS argument is a bit odd.

So, Monkey, can you quote specifically where he was "indicating he wanted to be mayor"?

[nhammen]

!! Especially considering that Serial did the SAME THING in the post where he asked the question. Why are you two attacking Saint for this but not Serial?

[charter]

Ok, I've identified another townie.

[charter]

Oh, simul post there.

unvote, vote MOI

I think both MOI and Monkey are scum. This latest shadiness is enough to tip the scales on to a MOI lynch.

[charter]

To be clear, I think nhammen is town.

[MonkeyMan576]

If charter thinks someone is scum, I would take it as evidence they are town...

From Muppets mafia...

Kirbyoshi is scum. Slam dunk.

vote Kirbyoshi

Kirby was town

Well, looks like I can't nail you(monkeyman576) to a cross due to a technicality (not talking about my catch up post), but I'm still really sure you're scum.

I was town.

[Col.Cathart]

Eh? What kind of argument is this? I was wrong on my scum reads many times, but I had a pretty decent amount of correct reads as well. In Commie Mafia, Charter was wrong on several reads (Coco/Raskol, me, Serial) but he was also correct with Peabody.

This is not an argument. This is bullshit.

Actually most of your posts are bullshit.

unvote

vote: MonkeyMan

I still have a scum read on Reckoner, but now he takes the 2nd spot.

In other news:

unsupport

support: Socrates

Socrates seems obvtown to me, and uses very good logic all around. Hoopla is a good player as well but with her problems with Internet, I cannot really get a good read on her.

[charter]

Monkey, if you're going to try and use ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE arguments such as this, at least put a little effort in to it. That was referring to Elvis, WHO WAS SCUM. Really don't know why you'd try this, even if you had your facts straight, it's astronomically scummy.

I changed my vote too soon. Apologies. Anyone not voting Monkey, please explain why.

unvote, vote Monkey

[MonkeyMan576]

It is an argument. Charter is a tunneler and is wrong more often than not on his reads. I have firsthand experience of him being wrong on me specifically.

[nhammen]

Because the fact that I was sure he was scum in Day Night, and he happened to be a townie, is causing me to hold back. But, I am letting the fact that I was wrong once give him a free pass, and that is bad play.

Vote: Monkey

[nhammen]

Also, I kept forgetting about the rules of this game (at least Day 1) until just now, when I voted for him.

[charter]

Also, there is really no chance that that was an honest mistake on Monkey's for fairly obvious reasons if you read the game or were in it.

[nhammen]

Yes, but he played that bad in Day Night as well. Horrible arguments, and not backing down when everyone else said his arguments were horrible. I've seen this before. Bad logic is not always a scumtell.

But after saying that, I cannot let the fact that he plays badly give him a free pass. If he's scum it would let him get away with anything.

Additionally, he never answered these questions:

So, Monkey, can you quote specifically where he was "indicating he wanted to be mayor"?

Especially considering that Serial did the SAME THING in the post where he asked the question. Why are you two attacking Saint for this but not Serial?

[nhammen]

Oh I see. You mean if I had read the game he is quoting. OK

[SerialClergyman]

nhammen, I assume charter is so keen to push my mayorship because the last three games I've been in I've played quite well in, and had good scumreads for the most part. I'm also very active and very into the game, as he learnt when he read the dead player's quicktopic for our last game and saw how much of my hair I ripped out while watching the final day's play.

If it was anyone else I'd be utterly suspicious, but in this case I think it's an example of charter reverse tunnelling


Some thoughts:

1) Why SC doesn't like Monkey.

Essentially obvious. Originally the reaction to the wagon, which is looking less sound given his play. It's possible there's bad play not scum here, and I've certainly seen little evidence of defence for him apart from MIC.

2) Why SC doesn't like Socrates.

Oh well. I am ready to drop this. The point is this: I want to be mayor, and it is not scummy for me to say so, contrary to what multiple players in this game have said.

This looks to me like the goal of the entire bit of play. I don't have much problem with the statement itself, it's the grandiose nature of what he's said that makes me somewhat suspicious.
It is roughly equally important to get mayor for scum and town. Thus both scum and town have a reason to try to get themselves elected to the position.

However if scum refuses the mayorship, then the chances that the mayor will go to their team are greatly lessened. If a town member refuses the mayor role, the chances remain high it will end up in the hands of a townie.

So on the face of it, before WIFOM is introduced, it looks to me like scum would be more likely to want it than to not.

Now, I accept that there is town motivation to want it as well, which is why the action is not scummy. But to call people not wanting the mayorship scummy, when in fact it hurts scum more than town to be in this position, is a bizarre argument that takes a fair bit of WIFOM to even approach. (Scum want to be seen to do things that hurt scum so they refuse the mayorship to be seen to be more town).

As such, I think I'm coming ot the opinion that I don't want Socrates to be mayor. He's just made too big a deal out of his proposition. I dont' necessarily think he's scum, but he has me uneasy because of it.

Finally - what's with ignoring the meta you have on me Socrates? You know exactly how I play and you've seen me deliberately take a lynch because I thought it was the best thing for my team. You know that I have a heavy team-first attitude, so why ask me?

3) Why SC doesn't like DDD

DDD is even more abrasive than usual. He's done little to nothing to help out yet still is on a high horse. I think he's going for a untouchable town look, or it's just his time of the month. Either way, a DDD lynch would draw no tears from me at the moment.


I'm actually more and more keen about Hoopla's plan to lynch the mayor.

[SerialClergyman]

EBWOP

nhammen, I assume charter is so keen to push my mayorship because the last three games I've been in

with charter

I've played quite well in

[charter]

I don't really get why you don't like Socrates, Serial. You kind of start out saying you think he's suspicious, but then at the end, you don't know whether he's scum or not. If the reason is gut, that's fine, but I don't know if that's why or what the reason is.

Can we tone all this mayor theory stuff way down. It seriously is not a huge deal today. I'm quite uneasy about Hoopla, because that's all she's been doing lately, even though she recognizes this. Inundating everyone with mayor theory isn't helpful and is pretty much textbook scummy active lurking.

[Hoopla]

Can we tone all this mayor theory stuff way down. It seriously is not a huge deal today. I'm quite uneasy about Hoopla, because that's all she's been doing lately, even though she recognizes this. Inundating everyone with mayor theory isn't helpful and is pretty much textbook scummy active lurking.

I understand. Please give me until tomorrow, and I will make some non-mayor theory game posts. I will have the opportunity then.

If you (or anyone) have any major issues you want me to address, let me know and I will get to them first before I type up some more thoughts.

[SerialClergyman]

Charter - i think most of socrates' play so far, including his suspicions on who is scum, stem from the assumption that town should want to be mayor.

I think this is at the least a flawed piece of reasoning as outlined above, scum have even more reason to want it.

So the question is whether he is doing this as justification for his own hard push for the job, or if he is genuine but wrong.

I don't know at the moment but I'm far from comfortable giving him the major role.

[MichelSableheart]

Fifth support count of day 1:

charter (0)

kyle99 (1)

Hoopla

Moai Interceptor Cannons (1)

MonkeyMan576

Debonair Danny DiPietro (0)

SerialClergyman (0)

Hoopla (2)

SerialClergyman, kyle99

* Socrates (4)

Socrates, Debonair Danny DiPietro, charter, Col.Cathart

MonkeyMan576 (0)

xRECKONERx (0)

nhammen (2)

nhammen, Moai Interceptor Cannons

Col.Cathart (0)

SaintKerrigan (0)

Not supporting anyone (2)

SaintKerrigan, xRECKONERx

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to elect someone as mayor.

an * marks who would become mayor if the day ended right now.

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Fifth vote count of day 1:

charter (0)

kyle99 (0)

Moai Interceptor Cannons (0)

Debonair Danny DiPietro (0)

SerialClergyman (0)

Hoopla (0)

Socrates (1)

xRECKONERx

MonkeyMan576 (6)

Socrates, SerialClergyman, Hoopla, Col.Cathart, charter, nhammen

xRECKONERx (0)

nhammen (0)

Col.Cathart (0)

SaintKerrigan (3)

Debonair Danny DiPietro, Moai Interceptor Cannons, MonkeyMan576

Not voting anyone (2)

kyle99, SaintKerrigan

With 13 votes available, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone. However, noone can be lynched before a mayor is elected.

[MichelSableheart]

kyle99 will be prodded.