Sanjay wrote:Ha ha, welcome to the game, BigBear. Thanks for replacing in.
If you thought my day one case against you was extremely scummy, why are you just voting for me now?
Because when I was MIA for a while it was mostly from the beginning of day two, I hadn't posted much of anything, so i figured i'd review some end of day 1 activities. Also at the beginning of Day 2, I was suspicious of DRK for his end of D1 activities.
Sanjay wrote:
Here's the timeline I see:
I post a case against BigBear that BigBear considers "very scummy".
I suggest people vote for BigBear instead of DJ.
DJ flips scum.
BigBear votes DRK and ignores me.
What?
Your time-line is off. I didn't even look at your case against me until after I voted DRK.
Sanjay wrote:
Also, bullshit on that case being "very scummy". Why? Because it was stuff that happened early in the game? That's real funny for someone who was trying to policy lynch DRK yesterday because of jester speculation on page 8. I think your stance as a jester speculation policy lyncher is totally wacky given how freely you yourself talked about jesters, and I don't think because it was early in the game you get to just magically wave it off.
When I "Freely" talked about jesters it was mainly me saying that we should lynch players that suggest jesters, and me saying that we should lynch DRK for bringing up jesters. Every time someone brought up the idea of a jester in a game that I have played, they were scum. I'm just saying.
Sanjay wrote:
The reason I didn't bring up that stuff at the time is because I didn't notice it as weird at the time. I didn't want to lynch DJ after he caught up, especially after he claimed power role, so I was looking for other lynch options.
So what made me stand out as opposed to other players?
Sanjay wrote:
Why didn't you talk about that very scummy post until now? Did you miss it or something?
See above.
Sanjay wrote:Also, BigBear, I thought I made it clear why I thought you were suspicious for attacking my attacker. Because I don't see town doing it. Why are you having such trouble wrapping your head around that concept?
I'm playing rather reckless this game, in that i'm not really keeping track of some of my previous actions. Mainly because I've been so absent, and it's a rather long game.
Sanjay wrote:
I probably was reading a bit into that post, but the fact remains that this offense against me is coming much later than I would expect from town.
So because I didn't attack you earlier for this, it seems anti-town? Hope fully my above post explains this. I'll say it again I guess, I was rather lurking, and hadn't paid much attention to this game. Because of that, i hadn't gotten to anyone's posts really. yours stood out to me. It seemed like you wanted to distract the DJ wagon.
Sanjay wrote:
BigBear wrote:Sanjay wrote:I am calling him suspicious because he isn't suspicious of me.
Are you expecting me to vote you or something?
This smells of baiting.
I guess I might as well say something Sanjay, -
Are you really open to any wagon other than yours?
Could you clarify this? The tone is as if you discovered some amazing scumslip or something, but I really don't see what is remotely suspicious about me trying to attract players to a wagon I'm supporting.
It felt as if you wanted me to vote you, and because I didn't vote you, you became suspicious of me. Since I thought your case against me at the end of D1, you would presume that I would vote you for it at the beginning of D2, right? Well since I didn't actually look at that post until mid day, that idea of yours is false. And since you would have expected me to vote you, and I didn't, you called me suspicious. It just feels as if your initial case was baiting me to vote you, either at the end of day 1, or the beginning of day 2.
semioldguy wrote:
Wondering about BigBear since he was apparently on site near deadline, but not in thread (until hammer time). When I have been scum before with a buddy being the top wagon in a deadline crunch I feel like avoiding the thread as to not make matters worse for my team. This could apply to others in this game as well, BigBear was just pointed out as doing so in thread.
I'm not sure if this solves the statement against me, but I'm modding a mini-normal, and I was probably working on that during deadline, and forgot about the deadline here.
Sanjay wrote:
I can see reasons why a town power might want to soft claim instead of full claim.
I disagree, a "town" player soft claiming and refusing to full claim at L-1/L-2 is scummy in my eyes.
Sanjay wrote:Basically I just thought he was an idiot.
Then why did you look at me as another lynch candidate?
DeathRowKitty wrote:@BB
I linked this post because it's too long to reasonably quote. In this post, your only comment about my defense is that you didn't like part of it, yet by the end of the post, you unvoted me and voted SJ. Is there something there I'm not getting? Also, it'd be nice if you could elaborate on what you didn't like about my post.
Would you like me to explain why I didn't like the answers? On the second one, could you point out posts where you thought CA was likely to be cop? Because I find that second answer to be more of a cop-out since we know that CA was a cop. As for the first one, its like your saying "oh I didn't want to look scummy, so I had to act confident." I just don't like that, it's like your trying to look like a town player.
archaebob wrote:Looker, my problem with lynching Sanjay is that
he is a rather costly mislynch.
I think that this game is extremely convoluted right now, and we're going to be better off in the long run cleaning up the town than trying to hit scummy players who are active posters. I don't see Sanjay as scummier than KoC, but i see KoC-town as way more useless than Sanjay-town.
There is no such thing as a
costly
mislynch. All lynches, even mislynches can yield important information.
archaebob wrote:
A costly mislynch is one that hurts that the town in ways beyond simply being down another town player. This game suffers from a lack of cohesion, focus, and activity. From what I can tell, Sanjay has been instrumental in keeping this thread alive, simply because he posts coherently, and often. An environment without any players like Sanjay favors scum, because there is no organized structure by which you can measure a player's actions. They can slip by. SO...I'm saying that I'd rather keep Sanjay around because I'm not positive that he's scum, and I think the town will benefit more in the long run from narrowing itself down to a core of consistent players than it will from stabbing at who they think
might
be the scum right now.
I guess my question is, in this game-type, will
you
ever be certain that someone is scum, before you vote for them?
archaebob wrote:alright, i think KoC is really deserving of the wagon right now. Can we get the heat up?
Town or scum, he's the best lynch today,
and I think it's not implausible that he's scum. That last post was totally pointless, and looks like a text-book case of disinterested scum.
Can you give another example of a text-book case of disinterested scum? Or match it with some form of meta? So, in loo of your earlier posts, you think that this player is more likely to be scum than Sanjay?
-And a note towards the bolded, That doesn't fit with your earlier statements. specifically
post 1207.
Looker wrote:
@BigBear, DRK, Semioldguy, & havingfitz: Content with the current situation or no?
No, I'd rather have Sanjay be the leading wagon. Duh.
Sanjay wrote:BigBear was a fan of KoC avoiding the question for no reason, as I recall.
I think that's even weirder than KoC's question dodging.
But speaking of question dodging, KoC, did you ever get back to
post 1072?
I'm a fan of gambits in general.
Sanjay wrote:By the way, I'm totally down with archaebob being under some fire for his opinion, if only because I'm little taken aback with him not being totally down to lynch me. He knows why.
Why do you want everyone to be suspicious of you? This reminds me of DTM self voting and putting a case against himself at the beginning of day 2 of Battle Mafia. hmm....
AB activated my gut with the end of this post.
Looker wrote:
@ Sanjay
- What'd holding you up on BigBear? Why don't you vote KoC like everyone else?
- Are you not voting Eleven right now because you don't want anymore votes on KoC to compensate for your
insurgency
?
I guess those two could be put together if either flipped scum.
archaebob wrote:If you want a faster response from KoC, looker, I suggest you hop on board.
@ KoC-
C'mon, cut the crap, and post something. Don't waste your time, or time will waste you.
You seem to be rather aggressive now that you're on the leading wagon. In your own words can you explain the change of attitude that I have found in you?
Why I don't like Furry's post and vote against me.
-He gives his "top 3" suspects
-Votes his third suspect, while his first listed one is the leading wagon, his second suspect is in 2nd place for a wagon, and his third place (me) has 1 vote I think.
- While he votes me he suggests that KoC should also vote me for self preservation, and then suggests that remaining scum vote as well to "contain" me.
-Yet you say you don't like being confined to this idea.
I don't see how town would vote for their third suspect, while their first is actually leading a wagon.
Granted KoC's recent posts have been anti-town, i'm happy with my vote for now.