Mini 880 - Mini Quick and Dirty - Game Over

[Scien]

BigBear, how quickly would you force night actions? Would you force night actions the first night after a no-lynch vote? Or second?

[crypto]

Lol @ how PZ keeps throwing himself at Troll's feet.

[Scien]

Oh! Nevermind Bigbear, just saw your 3 day thing. Thanks!

[BigBear]

BigBear, how quickly would you force night actions? Would you force night actions the first night after a no-lynch vote? Or second?

Well, there was this solution that an anonymous player suggest to me,

There is a standard rule that says if 3 days go past without a kill or lynch the game ends as a draw.

I would probably wait those three days. Force actions, if they refused. I would call the game a draw.

Unless there are some sincere objections, I would probably stick to this method.

[Papa Zito]

Lol @ how PZ keeps throwing himself at Troll's feet.

Oh pshaw. I've been trying to get him lynched all game.

You are obv partner.

One more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we just wait to see if Ojanen has any new info before voting? I've already stated how I felt about claiming power roles, especially with guilties, in LYLO. Not to be believed....I had a town read on charlatan because of his large contributions to the game, but I have to re-think that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not super sure of Zito's reaction either. More in-depth stuff later.

[Papa Zito]

Sigh.

Now I have to stay up late to deal with this crap.

Thanks a lot charlatan.

[crypto]

Actually, my town read on charlatan and scum read on PZ were/are both losing steam while rereading. But I'm inclined to believe the power role in this situation. I feel like fake-claiming as scum isn't worth the risk.

Re: PZ. Sorry, missed the sarcasm.

[crypto]

Actually, my town read on charlatan and scum read on PZ were/are both losing steam while rereading. But I'm inclined to believe the power role in this situation. I feel like fake-claiming as scum isn't worth the risk.

Re: PZ. Sorry, missed the sarcasm.

[charlatan]

lol charlatan. Sure, you're the only power role in the game.

Obviously we are in a mylo situation if scum are pulling this.

I know it must be frustrating, but that's just how it is. I'll respond to you in case it helps anyone else -- I may not even be the only power role in the game, for all anyone knows yet. Nor do I know what kind of powers scum may or may not have for balance purposes. Frankly, setup speculation is not one of my strong points and playing a straight-forward game has served me well in the past.

If anyone has questions that I can answer, ask away.

Can we just wait to see if Ojanen has any new info before voting? I've already stated how I felt about claiming power roles, especially with guilties, in LYLO. Not to be believed....I had a town read on charlatan because of his large contributions to the game, but I have to re-think that.

Hypothetical, Ramp: Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that I am telling the truth. What would my correct course of action have been, in your opinion? To lie? To withhold my result until a different time, so it seems less fortuitous?

[Papa Zito]

They're going for the win. He (?) only needs to convince two townies.

[Zorblag]

For now Troll's take on the developments be that we should finish the mass claim before we discuss what has happened or start voting.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well why didn't you claim straight away before we even started mass claiming? You waited and waited until everyone claimed before you did. That right there is not very pro-town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

For now Troll's take on the developments be that we should finish the mass claim before we discuss what has happened or start voting.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Ojanen is V/L/A, traveling and performing.

[crypto]

Time for sleeping.

Unvote.

[Zorblag]

Hmm, where did we learn that about Ojanen? Troll no seems to have been aware of it from what she said but perhaps Troll has forgotten it?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Albert B. Rampage]

She also plays in another game with me, where she posted about it. I think it was still Night while she had to go so she never had the chance to post that here.

[Zorblag]

Yeah, Troll took a look at recent posts of hers just now and sees where she says that.

She seems to indicate that she'll have access to the internet at least briefly as soon as tomorrow morning if Troll be reading what she said and the times of the posts correctly. Troll no thinks that be too long to wait.

Ojanen, if you be skimming we have done a mass claim. Yours be the last claim to be made. If you could claim when you get on that would be ideal.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Papa Zito]

Yay I can go to bed then.

zzzzzzzzzzzz

[charlatan]

Well why didn't you claim straight away before we even started mass claiming? You waited and waited until everyone claimed before you did. That right there is not very pro-town.

I will explain to you why I disagree wholeheartedly with that assertion tomorrow, as well as expound upon some other things. I agree with Troll that the best thing would be to wait for Ojanen's claim before continuing. Plus, I also need to sleep.

In the meantime, a great use for this time is re-reading Papa Zito, to those of you who have not in a while. Tomorrow I believe that I can make a strong case for his guilt even independently of the track result.

[Ojanen]

I'm vanilla.
Sorry for holding you up! (In Japan, traveling, forgot laptop adaptor, jetlag.)
Pressed for time now, but have substantial access later tonight to post.

[VP Baltar]

Frankly, I'm inclined to believe charlatan given PZ's scummy play for most of this game and the fact that charlatan is the only person I have seen who is recognizably town from their play. We also have two dead townies that we have no clue what they were, so it is possible this game had very few PRs.

It could be mountainous, but I hate mountainous setups. So there.

[Papa Zito]

Oh look, charlatan's the only PR.

What we really have is a 9-3 mountainous setup with limited reveal so we don't realize we're in a mountainous.

Tomorrow I believe that I can make a strong case for his guilt even independently of the track result.

Yes, you have to come up with this

after

you figured out I was prob scum and a good track candidate, amirite?

Let's review what charlatan's said about the Big Z.

Iso 1 - Takes my side about the lying debate w/WWVPD
Iso 4 - Sees ODDin's point about the SC bandwagon ...
Iso 6 - ... but it's a silly thing to attack someone over
Iso 7 - Agrees with me re: Troll
Iso 11 - NK talk doesn't help
Iso 12 - Lists ODDin and ABR as top suspects; actually defends me in the ODDin piece
Iso 15 - Defends me vs. crypto; agrees with me that something is up with Scien
Iso 17 - Gets where I'm coming from re: Scien

And that's it. Other than a couple mild criticisms, we have a lot of agreeing and defending (buddying). Why would townie charlatan decide to track a player he wasn't suspicious of at all?

Well why didn't you claim straight away before we even started mass claiming? You waited and waited until everyone claimed before you did. That right there is not very pro-town.

Exactly. Townie charlatan would have argued against a massclaim and given a result to prevent another PR from being outed. Instead (s)he's quite content to find out what other jewels can be had in case the gambit goes south.

Eagerly awaiting the case on me.

[Scien]

Even after this claim, speculation on setup is speculation on setup.

Saying we're mountainous (I learned a new term!), is nothing but an assumption. Are you suggesting that it is more likely mountainous than other possibilities Zito?

Also, I take it that you are holding to your VT claim Zito? Not holding anything back?

Charlaten, why did you want me to claim first? I want to hear you say your reasoning.