The flavor is odd for a vigilante, as others have said. I also think the SK (assuming we have one that likes Ziploc bags) realizes if they hit town, they'd lose, too.MeMe wrote:Why would an SK kill Nai? I think itmuchmore likely that it was the work of a vigilante.
Reasons posted below. I've quoted all of his posts. It's also worth noting that he really hasn't contributed anything constructive towards finding scum.MeMe wrote:1) Why do you think Phoebus is mafia?
Joins the mlaker bandwagon, defends Nai, but still claims to keep an eye on him. Wishy-washy, wants both sides of the fence.Phoebus wrote:I'll raise a toast to MeMe and vote: mlaker
Nai has been acting more jumpy than a rabbit on crack but for now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Think it's his first big game here? He seems eager to please.
That might account for his behaviour.
I'll still be keeping an eye on him though.
Setting up a scapegoat. I personally didn't see the big deal TradaPIB's comment, and found it less likely something scum would have said at the time.Phoebus, re: TradaPIB's post about watching rather than participating wrote:Hmm.
It just sounds extremely out of place when no one was talking about you, nor demanding you post or whatever.
Also, you say you'll try to be around more.
That talks to me as you being unavailable/not able to get on scum much.
That's a valid excuse if you called on posting less.
However, you come out of nowhere and claim a "waiting game" with especial emphasis with the quotes?
It just looks fishy and pre-emptive.
Wishy-washy again, wants both sides of the fence.Phoebus, re: TradaPIB's self-defeatist attitude wrote:Stam's attitude does not help...
he seems resigned to a fate he seems to have decided/accepted for himself.
It's so easy to get circular on this...is the frustration because he's town? or because he's scum caught?
Can we have a vote count on this page please?
Tries to get another player in trouble.Phoebus wrote:*sigh* Yes.
That's what I get for keeping multiple games open in multiple tabs.
Phoesbus??
That should really count towards your three word limit!
Wishy-washy again. Stalling.Phoebus wrote:I've been dwelling on this for all of yesterday now and this is poor my play.
I dither on calling the poor play deserves to lose card but i might just do it.
It's so circular! *sigh*
And crola, I was kidding, hence the
I'm beginning to think that the scum may also have their own list of abilities they can buy from, separate from our list. Notice how the ability SpeedyKQ had, which was slightly tweaked to stopMeMe wrote:2) Why do you think my points claiming idea is a bad one?
This is a good one. What's notable is the timing of it, that it happened while there was still significant pressure on Nai, whom we know to be scum. My vote was placed for two reasons: because of how he claimed and appeared to stall, and because if he wasn't scum, at the time my not voting him wouldn't stop him from being deadlined lynched and if he was scum, I'd get a point. I acknowledge that it could just as easily appear that I hopped on to get the point were I scum.MeMe wrote:3) Why do you think "swaying" people to mlaker was a bad idea? He sure looked scummy to me and, apparently, to several others (including you, as you ended day one with your vote on him).
Actually, half the town has posted, aside from myself, this is misrepresentation. It also appears that Yggdrasil is inclined to use mass claim as a last resort to today, MeMe believes a different method of claiming is preferable, and Phoebus appears to be trying to skirt addressing the issue alltogether. I'm still weighing the worthiness of mass-claim to out the rest of the mafia, but at this point I'm pretty convinced Phoebus is one of them.MeMe wrote:4) Why have you abandoned your "mass claim time" idea in favor of a vote with very little discussion -- before half the town has even posted this day?
No, this is a misunderstanding of my meaning, though I get how it could be read either way. What I meant was that three players (about half of who's left) have yet to post, so you're abandoning your initial idea before half (the second half, that is) have gotten here. And despite the misunderstanding, you still didn't answer the meat of the question -- which is "why vote so fast when you seemed to prefer claiming earlier?"Thesp wrote:Actually, half the town has posted, aside from myself, this is misrepresentation.MeMe wrote:4) Why have you abandoned your "mass claim time" idea in favor of a vote with very little discussion -- before half the town has even posted this day?
I believe that if we can come up with a way to keep town abilities hidden while catching out scum, that'sThesp wrote:It also appears that Yggdrasil is inclined to use mass claim as a last resort to today, MeMe believes a different method of claiming is preferable
In light of SpeedyKQ's death scene, I think this is a good theory...but if the scum do have things they can buy, I'd hope they're limited to "one of each" like we are (making others who've invested in "unkillable at night" safe).Thesp wrote:It makes sense to me to think that scum may be able to purchase an unstoppable kill. It also makes sense to me that scum would want to hide that under the guise of "just claiming points".
We're just short two players, if I'm not mistaken, CoolBot and Stewie. My vote also comes after re-reading the thread. My first post was a reaction to the death scene, before a re-read. Things make a lot more sense going back, knowing who's town and scum at this point. I think I'm convinced enough in Phoebus's scumminess to put that vote down. What do you think of my thoughts on Phoebus?MeMe wrote:No, this is a misunderstanding of my meaning, though I get how it could be read either way. What I meant was that three players (about half of who's left) have yet to post, so you're abandoning your initial idea before half (the second half, that is) have gotten here. And despite the misunderstanding, you still didn't answer the meat of the question -- which is "why vote so fast when you seemed to prefer claiming earlier?"
Why is the points-claiming theory at all useful? That's what I don't get. I'd much rather no-claim than merely points-claim.MeMe wrote:I believe that if we can come up with a way to keep town abilities hidden while catching out scum, that'scertainlypreferable, yeah.
Hmm...so how is this speculation helpful? Aren't there ~3 different mafia people? Couldn't they each buy one? Wouldn't the possibility of multiple purchases of such balance out the possibility of multiple people purchasing body armor?MeMe wrote:In light of SpeedyKQ's death scene, I think this is a good theory...but if the scum do have things they can buy, I'd hope they're limited to "one of each" like we are (making others who've invested in "unkillable at night" safe).
Gah. You're right. I still had TradaPIB as "yet to post" in my spreadsheet. My point still holds, just change it to "one-third" rather than "half." Well, I guess the fact that we have six players left rather than the seven I had listed makes my theory that there could still be three mafia rather unlikely unless one of them's taken a disability that makes winning outright today less than sure.Thesp wrote:We're just short two players, if I'm not mistaken, CoolBot and Stewie.
I think there's something there (which I thought was clear from my "nice answers" earlier), but there's no way I thinkThesp wrote:What do you think of my thoughts on Phoebus?
How could itThesp wrote:Why is the points-claiming theory at all useful? That's what I don't get. I'd much rather no-claim than merely points-claim.
Um...well how is that speculationThesp wrote:Hmm...so how is this speculation helpful? Aren't there ~3 different mafia people? Couldn't they each buy one? Wouldn't the possibility of multiple purchases of such balance out the possibility of multiple people purchasing body armor?MeMe wrote:In light of SpeedyKQ's death scene, I think this is a good theory...but if the scum do have things they can buy, I'd hope they're limited to "one of each" like we are (making others who've invested in "unkillable at night" safe).
So, basically, why are you arguing with me? My speculation was correct and your counter was wrong. Question is...was itarmlx wrote:You may only buy each ability once, and the mafia can only buy an ability once.
I wasn't looking for a fast day, I was looking for people's thoughts and votes. And while I would disagree that there are times when fast daysMeMe wrote:I think there's something there (which I thought was clear from my "nice answers" earlier), but there's no way I thinkanyoneshould be voted (unless by a cop with a guilty investigation...though your "85%" tells me this isn't the case) when we could be in endgame and before everyone's checked in. Fast days don't help town. Ever.
If we points claim, the scum still gets a very good idea of who is a power role and who isn't. I don't see how it gets us closer tof inding scum, since the usual point of mass claims is to verify everyone's stories check out with each other.MeMe wrote:How could ithurt? If we don't get enough information from it then we could move on to a fuller claim. What about my suggestion worries you?
Derf. My mistake. You are indeed correct on the "mafia only buys once" mechanic.MeMe wrote:Um...well how is that speculationharmful? Regardless, I just went and read through the front post and it says this...So, basically, why are you arguing with me? My speculation was correct and your counter was wrong. Question is...was itarmlx wrote:You may only buy each ability once, and the mafia can only buy an ability once.intentionallywrong? I'd think mafia would want to go out of their way to appear as though they havenoidea how the mafia team works...
Nai has been alive for long, so there's probably plenty to work with out there. Right now I don't find anyone extremely suspicious, but I will look extra close at the people that took disabilities, since it makes it very hard for others to determine scumminess.Not much to say about this.Stewie - high on my list of probable mafia. Nai defended him in post # 10, he didn't add anything into the discussion about Nai being scummy (other than a "me too" to put him on the side that saw Nai's actions as scummy, and when given the chance by Phoebus' proxy vote, he immediately jumped on mlaker's counterbandwaggon, which eventually got mlaker lynched and spared Nai.
I agree with the first part of this, and look forward to the second.Stewie wrote:Two kill mafia is completly different from unstoppable kill mafia. Two kill mafia is broken because it would be overpowered, but unstoppable kill is not, specially if it it one kill.
I will reread and post something better tomorrow after I reread, that's if I find enough time to do so. Yes, I will do a post by post, so I'll ask for your forgiveness in advance.
Apparently, you're still skirting the issue.Phoebus wrote:Heh.
Skirting from addressing the issue altogether? Wishy washy?
You can call it that if you like.
His reason not to vote Nai sounds crappy. Also, MeMe starts the bandwagon without adding her vote until mlaker has 3 votes, making it four. This is not so suspicious since we had a deadline when she voted, and I assume she was trying to get the game moving.Phoebus wrote:Nai has been acting more jumpy than a rabbit on crack but for now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Think it's his first big game here? He seems eager to please.
...that could also be read as a partner telling Nai to get in here and say something convincing. Nai posts within 40 minutes of CoolBot's threat, but CB waits four days to come back in...CoolBot wrote:I agree we should pressure Nai. Not only did he assume MeMe wasn't scum, he was pretty jumpy for getting a vote instead of an fos from Yggdrasil and went so far as to vote him for it. I'd add a vote to the bandwagon, but that leaves him one vote away from a lynch. If he doesn't explain himself, I will change my vote to him.
...and, in hindsight, I wonder if it was to let the heat cool on Nai so he'd not be looked at askew for not voting him as promised.CoolBot wrote:I think we can let Nai go for now. I wasn't aware he was so new to the game, and his comment about fos procedure is something someone new to the game would think.
Which was in response to me using the smiley code Speedy put together. Was he hoping the mod would shut it down?CoolBot wrote:I guess we're not worried about a penalty for skirting around a post restriction.
