Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Bogre]

Ok, some things in which I discuss RVS:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12274 - My first newbie game.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12744 - My research project that is underway
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12305 - A MD discussion in which I propose another system other than RVS

There are 3 more games that I am thinking of - one is entering its last day, so I can post the link to it once it finishes up. The other two are still on-going, though.

Why are you back to discussing theory? Or...talking about you talking about theory?

[Netopalis]

Neto says that he usually ends up talking about the RQS things and I'd love to look into that as well for comparison.

[Ellibereth]

Hai, I'm

12

15.

Vote Gayle

After reading your post I found myself at a complete loss as to how to respond. Luckily, I was connected to the internet and so was able to search google for an answer. After reading many examples posted on these most informative internets, I have gathered that the accepted way to respond is

Proper Response

Hai, I'm 12 15.

Vote Gayle

DERP DERP

If you are not satisfied with this response, please notify me and I will search again, though I believe that the above is the proper and most accepted way.

Also,

VOTE: Ellibereth

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The internet informs me that this is called an OMGUS and is an indispensable tool of the scumhunter. There is little reason for the vote, but if there is one thing I have learned from your fine example good sir it is that it is fine to vote and then make up reasons later. Please call me out so that I might make a misleading summary of your posts.

[Incognito]

Vote Count #4 of Day 1

Maemuki (2) <-~ Netopalis, Glork
Netopalis (2) <-~ Haylen, Zachrulez
Netlava (2) <-~ SaintKerrigan, Kmd4390
Zachrulez (1) <-~ Bogre
Gayle (1) <-~ Ellibereth
Ellibereth (1) <-~ Gayle

Not voting (4) <-~ Annachie, camn, Netlava, Maemuki

With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.

Saturday, January 9th at 2 P.M. EST

[Netopalis]

Astonishing post, Ellibereth. Your little cartoon explains everything.

Everything.

Unvote, Vote: Ellibereth

I said it last game, and I'll say it again - shape up, take the game seriously and post original content or face the noose.

[Ellibereth]

I knowz, Garfield rocks.
Is your vote on me because you think I've contributed the least original content?

[Netopalis]

My vote on you is because I feel that you are intentionally attempting to impeded the progress of the game by not posting content and by distraction.

[Bogre]

I believe the above vote is valid, and Neto's feelings on the matter make me think a bit more favorably towards him.

It seems frustrated, his past posts have indicated him taking a logical approach, and thus the above shows continuity with his past feelings- continuity of expression is a town tell, imo. Shows he hasn't been making up his feelings.

[Ellibereth]

My vote on you is because I feel that you are intentionally attempting to impeded the progress of the game by not posting content and by distraction.

A) Compare my content to Gayle, Hayl, and Net's.
B) What is different between my comic Gayle's last post and Glork's last few posts.

[Netopalis]

The problem isn't just the comic, it's the combination of the comic, your basic assertions that "X is scum", "Y is town" etc, without backing up and your cryptic PBPA which really doesn't elaborate on anything other than whether each of my posts pushes me further towards town or scum. You need to explain why you feel something is scummy. That was and has always been my problem with you.

Glork has explained himself. Gayle has as well. You have not.

[Netlava]

Yeah, Gayle and Haylen have been joke posting and haven't been saying anything serious yet.

[Ellibereth]

The problem isn't just the comic, it's the combination of the comic, your basic assertions that "X is scum", "Y is town" etc, without backing up and your cryptic PBPA which really doesn't elaborate on anything other than whether each of my posts pushes me further towards town or scum. You need to explain why you feel something is scummy. That was and has always been my problem with you.

Glork has explained himself. Gayle has as well. You have not.

Scummy as hell ^^^
Methinks Neto/Gayle are scumz.

[camn]

VOTE: Ellibereth

[Netopalis]

Thank you for making my case for me, Ellibereth. Would you mind voting for yourself next?

[Annachie]

Why are you back to discussing theory?

My fault.

Neto, I was looking for the game where you and Elli were interacting, not theory in general, though from the way you talked I assumed there would be some. I think I found it though, and goodness you were scum too. Tell, tell, tell

[Netopalis]

I was in the game with Ellibereth. However, my points stand against him as scum or as town. Ellibereth fails to use logic or reasoning and is generally dead weight to any town, if not outrightly scummy.

[Glork]

Has Elli used said playstyle to success in past game?

BabyJesus's playstyle would have made your eyes explode, Neto, but he was one of the finest scumhunters MafiaScum has ever seen.

[Netopalis]

Used the playstyle to success? He might have ended up on the winning faction, but I would argue that it is probably due more to luck than to skill.

[Glork]

I'm not asking if his side won or lost. I mean, were his own ultimate suspicions more or less accurate?

[Netopalis]

In his game with me? Yes, eventually, but we had to coax him for the better part of 6 pages to get him to actually say who he suspected. I haven't read his other games, but it is an interesting question. Regardless, there's a difference between being right for the right reasons and being right for the wrong reasons. If I am right for the wrong reasons, I consider it to be a loss. Further, even if Ellibereth is right, the town should not follow unless the reasons are right, no matter how vaunted his claims to scumhunting fame might be.

[Netopalis]

Just did a bit of research - Ellibereth has only 2 completed games on this site, so I don't feel that there is enough to really determine whether his techniques "win" or not.

[Ellibereth]

I'm not asking if his side won or lost. I mean, were his own ultimate suspicions more or less accurate?

Not much of a sample.
4 games that I've died in, two were town, two were scum.
I think I dead pretty well in an ongoing one. Go to my wiki page.

[Glork]

Do you think that Elli's reasons were "wrong" in the previous game where he ultimately found/voted/lynched/whetevered the scums?

[Ellibereth]

Do you think that Elli's reasons were "wrong" in the previous game where he ultimately found/voted/lynched/whetevered the scums?

Ongoing game, Neto was the scum.

[Glork]

Bleh, didn't realize it was ongoing.



Neto, the point I'm trying to circle around to is that there's a very reasonable chance that Elli has a method to his madness. Like I said, go look up some games that BabyJesus played. You would HATE his posting, his playstyle. But he was uncanny at being able to find scums while looking like he was just randomly labeling people "town" or "scum."

That's not to say that I believe Elli is protown, or that his suspicions are correct here. But Elli has piqued my interest. I think there will be pressure for him to be accurate here, else he's going to have a noose around his neck soon enough.