Newbie 871 - Game Over Town Win

[boberz]

I acknowledge what you say is a possibility Yankee, in fact a vaguely remember someone else saying it before we even did any kind of claim. I think to many people completely wrote off the no-NK possibility though, so that is why i dont put as much stead in it as you.

[Zorblag]

@Yankee, I have seen what you have to say about your suspicions. They don't really matter in determining what the correct move to make in this situation is. Regardless of whether ksen is scum fake claiming or the actual cop our best move today so long as Evilgorrilaz doesn't claim scum is to no lynch. We've got a spare half lynch based on the lack of a kill last night. The best way to use that (especially now that everyone but one player has fully claimed and we know that the scum have the ability to block or kill any power role before they do anything else that can help us) is to force the scum to simplify the equation for us by killing someone. That's one less thing (their alignment) that we have to get right. At this point if we make any mistakes at all then we've lost the game. We should be playing this defensively and forcing the scum to take as many opportunities to make mistakes as we can.

Patrick is right, it probably won't make a difference in this game. That doesn't mean that it's not the plan of action we should follow. We should be using the structure of the game to our advantage as much as possible. The scum starts out with information which the town doesn't have. The town starts out with control over the days; our choices of when to lynch should always be made to maximize our chances of winning even if it's only a matter of giving ourselves a very slight advantage by no lynching like we should be doing now if Evilgorrilaz doesn't claim cop.

The reason that we don't want to talk about our suspicions any more than we already have (and in fact why I haven't said anything about my own suspicions this game) is that if we do make the ideal move here and no lynch then we don't want to give the scum any extra information when they're deciding who to kill. The better they know what everyone's thoughts are the better chance they have of making a kill that manipulates us into make the wrong decision based on their knowledge of our current assessment of the state of the game.

We don't want to talk any more about theory than we already have because the scum might or might not realize what their best move is in this situation. If one of the town comes up with a great move for scum to make and and blurts it out then they've done that work for the scum. We want to make the scum work and sweat as much as we can and at this point that means getting this claim done without going over our theories.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Yankee]

No, I have no problem with Evil claiming, what I have a problem with is that when he doesnt claim cop then everyone is just going to take ksen's cop claim seriously because noone CC'ed. And is it just me or did i just interpret Zorblag saying that we should make scum work hard during the day, and the town has full control of the day, but suggest ending the day with a no lynch (inferred soon).

[boberz]

Nobody is going to accept that ksen is cop whatever happens. I still think, particularly as it is a newbie game, that we should be discussing stuff. That said i wouldnt mind the discussion going somewhere other than claiming/tactics.

So, as I dont expect zorb or patrick to participate (the perils of conventional wisdom) I wonder what you think yankee about me, am i safe and if so why? just because some people said it in day 1?

[Patrick]

I'm not sure where you got that idea. Personally I think ksen is scum because his choice night 1 looks suspect and his responses read more like scum who doesn't have any good answer than a town cop in lylo. This isn't conditional on Evilgorrilaz claiming cop, and I think I said that if ksen is fakeclaiming scum, I expect it's because he knows there isn't a cop.

[ksen]

So . . . how does a no-lynch work? Do we actually vote "no-lynch" or do we do nothing and let the deadline for the day expire with no action?

[Yankee]

you have to actually vote no lynch, and no lynch must be the majority.

[Zorblag]

@Yankee, you've almost got what I was trying to say. I'm trying to make the scum work hard tonight rather than today actually. The town does have control of the day in that unless scum reaches equity (and have won) we've got the option to make the decision to lynch or not lynch that best serves the towns purposes. Most days that means lynching. In this case, barring a cop claim from Evilgorrilaz that is a no lynch. That hopefully forces the scum to eliminate some of our potential confusion about alignments for us.

@ksen, as Yankee said, we would need to vote for no lynch as though we were voting for a player. If that happens it ends the day just like a lynch would. In theory we could achieve a no lynch by not voting and letting the time run out but that would be a much more tedious way to go about it.

@Evilgorrilaz, how's your read coming? It would be good to at least hear how much of the game you've looked at so far so that we have more of a timeline.

Mod: just so it's out here where everyone can see it and so that it won't sneak up on us when exactly is the deadline for this game day?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[Evilgorrilaz]

I'm on page 23 ATM. almost caught up finally......

[Evilgorrilaz]

I should be caught up by tonight or tomorrow.

[starkmoon]

Yankee
boberz
Zorblag (Annachie) 1
ksen 1 boberz, Yankee
Ether
Patrick 1

Not Voting

Zorblag (Annachie)
Ether
Patrick
ksen

With SIX alive it is FOUR to lynch. Day 3 Deadline is Jan 27th at Midday GMT.

Sorry for the lack of posting for two days, I have the obligatory post xmas flu, not helped by the weather we've been having lately.

[boberz]

caught up yet...

[ksen]

vote no lynch

Unless something changes between now and deadline.

[Zorblag]

@Evilgorrilaz, we're now past the deadlines that you gave yourself for getting caught up with the current state of the game and I see that you've been posting in other games since then. I grant that the other games might have more pressing things happening (I haven't looked and I couldn't talk about them as ongoing games even if I had) but this game is currently not making progress because we're waiting for you to finish your read and either claim or explain why you're not going to claim.

I know that I'm the one who said that you shouldn't be expected to make your claim before you had familiarized yourself with what was happening but I did so with the expectation that you'd be interested enough in this game to get caught up reasonably quickly (as you were willing to replace in.) I'm hoping that you'll be ready to start participating very soon. In particular I'm hoping that you'll claim your role so that we can get past our current bottleneck.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[boberz]

Just claim, i dont car eif you know whats going on or not, if you are town alligned you should just claim and let us work it out.

[boberz]

If you commit to a game of mafia, you should be able to read 7 pages in 3 days, cmon!!!

[Yankee]

lol, yeah. I dont think there is much else i can say without a claim from evil.

[Zorblag]

Mod, could we please get a prod for Evilgorrilaz?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[boberz]

It is easy to see why so many people end up flaking isnt it, logging in every day to find nothing has happened is extremely tedious. This hasnt just happened during the mass claim thing which isnt necessarily a claim thing anyway cos most of us have done it, and ether was safe to most of us anyway, and as Patrick said (and i have no reason to disbelieve it) it is a neutral tell, so she hasnt changed much.

[starkmoon]

Yankee
boberz
Zorblag (Annachie) 1
ksen 1 boberz, Yankee
Ether
Patrick 1
no lynch 1 ksen
Not Voting

Zorblag (Annachie)
Ether
Patrick

checkin prods

[Patrick]

Response to prod. Still not much to do until Evil claims - you don't need to catch up to do that.

[ksen]

Responding to prod.

Is the plan to go forward with a no lynch?

[boberz]

My plan is to kill you.

[ksen]

My plan is to kill you.

No big surprise, that's been your plan since day 1.

[boberz]

I wish I had stuck to my guns then, we would be winning now.