Open 189~Trouble@Warren State Mental Hosp (Over)

[Rosso Carne]

strikethrough text fail. Also strikethrough nothing you have done. Or at least rearrange them to make you have done nothing. 6 days ago and the most you have posted is 4 words.

meh

I'm not allowed to say much

[Rosso Carne]

What happened to Xd?

What is your read on Xd, anyway? He's one of the few people you didn't mention in that last post.

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I guess I may as well talk a little about the

spirit

of what I was trying to get at a few posts ago.

We need bandwagons. Specifically, we need a -lynch-. We're allowed four mislynches instead of the usual three, there are so many people nearly begging to be lynched that we likely won't miss them, this Day has dragged out for long enough, etc..

I know BloodCovenent isn't around right now, unless my memory is mistaken.
I know Izzy IS around, because I specifically remember seeing her posting in New York.
Rosso Carne just hit a level of disrespect usually reserved for zwetschenwasser, although Cayke was a mild Town read per tajo.
I'm willing to buy Sotty7 and SlySly's frustration as genuine for the time being.
I'm not lynching VP Baltar or Porochaz (at least not today, in the latter case).
I'm quite okay with an Xdaamno lynch, and a little iffy on a HowardRoark lynch.

Based on NK WIFOM and suchlike crackpot mumbo-jumbo I'm going to vote Xdaamno, though I could fairly enough be persuaded onto Izzy, RC, or HR. The major reason I'm not going for Izzy is because...

Posted:

Thu Jan 21

, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: 36

@MOD: REPLACE HER REPLACE HER DON'T BOTHER WITH A PROD DO IT DO IT NOW NOW NOW

So,

Unvote: Sotty7
Vote: Xdaamno

(L-3)

Choose sides. Lynch someone. Get it done in the next three pages.

hey n00B, don't talk about disrespect. I don't tolerate disrespect towards anyone, including others reciprocating it from me. However, I will fail to respect people who don't warrent it.

I spelled "warrent" wrong

It should be "warrant"

Spell check told me it was wrong, but I chose to ignore it the first time, but then it started bothering me.

[rewq455]

hey just replaced in. will post a read over post by saturday

[SlySly]

Sorry for wall, but let's review Vi's voting and other notable things...

Vote: Xdaamno

(L-5)
A better-than-random vote.

No reason given.

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@Izzy: NOW I see what you're seeing... but I'm not sure where you're going with it.

Slight buddy up to Izzy.

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Unvote: Xdaamno
Vote: crywolf20084 (henceforth: Cayke)

(L-6)

No reason given.

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If I didn't like my Cayke vote so much I would snapvote Otto right now.

Setup to vote Otto with little reason.

and if this were a particularly complicated game or if last week was exam week too or if it looked like you were pressed for time at all i would feel maybe a little sympathetic

Unvote: Cayke
Vote: Otto U.

(L-5)

Follows through with fairly meaningless vote on Otto.

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I'm thinking this is one of scum-cayke's ploys to stall the game.

This game is going just fine without any outside influences, no need to stall it.

I certainly agree with this much, and

it's not like Cayke or Hyl have actually said anything that would sway me from wanting to lynch them

.

Ah, why not. I'll drink the wine and buy into the meta that I've witnessed for myself in Mafia of Order and Cayke just attested to.

Unvote: saberwolf
Vote: Cayke

(L-6)

Votes cayke for meta reasons/hasn't swayed Vi not to lynch cayke.

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Below is where things really started sounding fishy from Vi to me...

Soooo....tajo has the idea. Where they hell are the rest of you?

Waiting for the other lurkers.

I'm not sure what to make of tajo durnkpsoting as the best he can do, but I suppose I can make do.

Unvote: Cayke
Vote: HowardRoark

(L-4)
It's not JDodge, but it is someone scummy and there's a larger wagon over thisaway.

Moves vote to the 'larger wagon'. Previous attempts to get something to stick have failed, this 'larger wagon' may just be the best chance for Vi to support a mislynch.

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Since we've actually decided to not play this game anymore. VOTE HOWARD ROARK. ffs, stop making me repeat myself.

I'll repeat you for you ^.^

VOTE HOWARD ROARK.

that means stop being an embarrassment to mafiascum, scumchat, and your biological parents and vote to lynch scum

Pushes the mislynch of the wagon she is supporting.

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Also, Cat is probTown IMO.

saberwolf is probably also Town, which is a relief because I doubt Poro's ability to say anything enlightening tbh. To answer about the person you left out, I initially thought Qooq was Town but upon reread I'm not sure if that should be so.

@mod: Please replace Qooq. This has nothing to do with the holidays and everything to do with last posting on the 13th.

States Cat is most likely town, as is Saber, another of her recent targets.

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but the possibility of him just leading the town is one I want to investigate if Izzy flips town.

1) So... what are you doing to

counter

VP Baltar's attempts to lead the Town, or otherwise show that said Town-leading is

not

the best thing a Townie could do right now?
2)

When do you expect to see Izzy flip Town

?

She knows Izzy will never flip town so feels compelled to ask X question #2.

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Suddenly, activity.

My initial Cat read was based on

OK, I dislike playing with Xdaamno because of what's going on right now. Yes, he's definitely scummy, but he's almost always scummy acting.

which almost fits with what I would expect newbTown to say. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how newby skitzer is (as evidenced by his references to having played with Xd before) and newbTown would have left out the part about Xd being "definitely scummy".

Now note that Cat voted Xdaamno because

he's been acting just generally slightly scummy all game and I feel my vote need to be somewhere.

which coming off of his previous post (literally, the last post he made before this one) rings false.

Thus, I'm re-evaluating my read on him, which is unfortunate because skitzer is a renowned nonentity and I highly value a read on that player slot.

Plants the seeds of doubt about Cat.

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This is what you get for not knowing about ancient dentistry!

Unvote: HowardRoark
Vote: JDodge

(L-5)

Jumps off the failing wagon to attempt getting a new one going.

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What do you think about JDodge?

He's participating

and I'm not seeing any red flags.

Unvote: JDodge
Vote: HowardRoark

(L-3)

Realizes the Jdodge wagon is fruitless and senses the mislynch possibility on Howard is growing so jumps back on.

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I wouldn't mind jumping off the Howie wagon for a while.

Unvote: HowardRoark
Vote: Cat

(L-4)

Pours the gas on the Cat(confirmed townie and vote for 6th different person, none of which were Izzy) wagon fire and kicks the wagon into overdrive to be "off the Howie wagon for a while." This after proclaiming Cat most likely town earlier.

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Catwagon, go :arrow:

Pushes for the now confirmed townie mislynch.

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Fascinating. hito was apparently more of a threat than a Cop... which either means that Prozac is scum, or hito was more on the right track than Chaz could be even with a Cop investigation. And the people who were threatened by hito were HowardRoark, Xdaamno, Izzy, and to a lesser extent Cayke...

Let's try this.

Vote: Xdaamno

(L-5)

No Cat remorse after Cat was confirmed as townie.

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Unvote: Xdaamno
Vote: DizzyIzzyB13

(L-5)

Vi is getting frustrated at Izzy's lack of participation and others kind of starting to circle the wagons around Izzy and places very temporary vote to distance.

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Is anyone L-1?

You are. ^_^

I'm still voting for Izzy, which is pretty nice.

Lies to RC to create confusion and states satisfaction she is getting from her vote on her non-participatory scumbuddy.

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Vi, do you think Izzy is more likely to be scum than BC or Howard?

do you not agree that izzy is scum

tbh I don't think anything I say will get through to her, so :\

Unvote: DizzyIzzyB13
Vote: BloodCovenent

(L-4)

States Izzy is scum yet feels good the distancing tactic has had the desired effect and removes the vote while adding another reasonless one.

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Vote: Sotty7

(L-5)
Off the sidelines, plz ->

Yet another vote not based on scumminess.

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The major reason I'm not going for Izzy is because...

Posted:

Thu Jan 21

, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: 36

@MOD: REPLACE HER REPLACE HER DON'T BOTHER WITH A PROD DO IT DO IT NOW NOW NOW

The best for last, let me paraphrase, "MOD, PLEASE REPLACE MY POOR EXCUSE FOR A SCUMBUDDY BEFORE SHE LOSES THE GAME FOR ME!!!!"

Unvote.
Vote:Vi

[Vi]

Illposting.

I'm not going to respond to SlySly's wall point-by-point if I can help it, but I will toss these remarks out.

*All of your comments about "lol no reasoning with vote" is probably a result of your isolationread-fu being weak. I explained why I first voted Xdaamno in previous posts, and the rest of the votes would probably be more explicable if you took a look at the votee's most recent posts at the time.
*Worth mentioning: The meta-based vote from saberwolf to Cayke is based on

saberwolf's

meta.
*Bandwagoning people you don't suspect are Town is a -good- thing. Nobody is threatened by one or two votes. A wagon, on the other hand, gets people to act differently. (ideally, anyway)
*It's difficult to talk about alignments before anyone flips, especially when everyone is doing their evil best to be scummy/unreadable/otherwise unhelpful.
*I have this mystical Townie ability to

change my mind

, and I abuse the privilege. I voted Otto U. for a while, then I

changed my mind

when I got a Town read on him. This is not rocket surgery.
*I asked Xdaamno the question about Izzy flipping Town not because I know her alignment, but because the chances of her ever flipping Town (by lynch or NK) have been near zero throughout. See later comments about getting Izzy replaced.
*Do you think I could have had Townie reasoning for re-evaluating Cat?
*Do you disagree that JDodge was not participating at the time I voted HR for saying otherwise?
*Am I the only person who's scummy for pushing for a Catwagon?
*Apparently you've never heard of the "Welp, that sucks" tell... Either way, I don't apologize for lynch wagons I'm on. Ever. Or to quote my wiki, if you got lynched and I was on your wagon, you deserved it.
*I have -no reason- to distance from or get Izzy replaced if she's my scumpartner. Nobody appears to see her at all except me. From a scum perspective, she's golden; able to lurk away the Days with relative impunity.
*The lie to Rosso Carne was a *joke* (I wanted to see if he would try hammering himself).
*Did you somehow miss the reasons I gave for voting Sotty7 in that post and the following one?

[Sotty7]

Wait, you think Vi is scum? That's odd. Also, you seem a bit sensitive over one vote being on you.

I think I cover this after the post you quote, but Vi is in the middle of the pack for me. Of the people on the Cat wagon her and BC are the two scummiest people there. It's as simple as that. As for my touchiness, I blame the game. It felt like Vi was pushing on me just cause, in a game as slow as this it annoyed me. A lot about this game is annoying me, trying to get past that though.

Sly's case on Vi lacks any indepth analysis and isn't very moving. I still think there are much better lynches out there.

Welcome rewq.

[VP Baltar]

I'm interested to hear if anyone has any strong reasons to disagree with this:

Right now, nothing has changed my desire for a BC or HR lynch. Chaz is claimed cop. Vi is likely town in my eyes. Izzy was just replaced. Xd is a mild town read to me. Sotty recently came and I havent' developed my read yet (but I'm confident I will). Rosso is an idiot, but Cayke felt mildly townish. Jury is still out on SlySly for me. I actually think the pool for people who NEED to be lynched today is fairly limited.

I also think SlySly's Vi case is contrived in the extreme.

[Vi]

As for my touchiness, I blame the game. It felt like Vi was pushing on me just cause, in a game as slow as this it annoyed me. A lot about this game is annoying me, trying to get past that though.

I don't see how that would annoy you.

@VP Baltar: The only disagreement worth mentioning is over Xdaamno. I would also wait on rewq before going forward with a lynch.
'Glad to see there's a club for disrespecting RC though.

[VP Baltar]

'Glad to see there's a club for disrespecting RC though.

Not my first encounter. It gets old after awhile.

Agree with you on waiting for rewq though.

[SlySly]

I also think SlySly's Vi case is contrived in the extreme.

I am always extreme, I look for things I have seen scum do in a different manner than most. Gets me wrongly lynched often. IMO, Vi outed Izzy as scum partner with request for replacement. If another game wasn't still in progress I would give a perfect example. Her other request for replacement was not nearly as intense.

[VP Baltar]

I also think SlySly's Vi case is contrived in the extreme.

I am always extreme, I look for things I have seen scum do in a different manner than most. Gets me wrongly lynched often. IMO, Vi outed Izzy as scum partner with request for replacement. If another game wasn't still in progress I would give a perfect example. Her other request for replacement was not nearly as intense.

I don't mind you being extreme, since it'd be good to have someone getting more reactions in this game. Nor do I think it's necessarily bad that you're targetting Vi (even though I don't really believe she's scum at this time). I just feel you're reaching a great deal to make a case where there is none. Vi switching her vote to change the direction of the game and being annoyed by lurkers is well within her town meta. I don't think it's necessarily scummy of you to attack her for it if you've never played with her, but I think they aren't well grounded accusations when put into an overall context.

[Sotty7]

I think it is an epic stretch to say that Vi "outted" Izzy as her scum partner. She often pushes for replacements and prods in that fashion. Have you ever played with Vi before Sly?

[SlySly]

Have you ever played with Vi before Sly?

I don't believe so.

[Vi]

Have you ever played with Vi before Sly?

No.

Now questioning why I held myself together long enough to post responses to his accusations, although I sense SlySly-Town anyway.

[Vi]

As for my touchiness, I blame the game. It felt like Vi was pushing on me just cause, in a game as slow as this it annoyed me. A lot about this game is annoying me, trying to get past that though.

I don't see how that would annoy you.

Also: ITT, more

[VP Baltar]

ITT, Xdaamno, BC, HowardRoark, Porochaz, Rosso Carne and rewq all need to be prodded.

We could also just lynch BC. I'd also be up for the rewq lynch today if he doesn't provide something pretty damn substantial.

[Sotty7]

As for my touchiness, I blame the game. It felt like Vi was pushing on me just cause, in a game as slow as this it annoyed me. A lot about this game is annoying me, trying to get past that though.

I don't see how that would annoy you.

Also: ITT, more

I just want to get something done in this game is all.

I wouldn't say no to a BC lynch. Prodding would also be good.

[Porochaz]

To answer Vi, talking to cayke was like talking to a stereotypical blonde, lots of mouth flapping but really saying nothing whilst Rosso is like someone put a gag in the blondes mouth.

[Vi]

As for my touchiness, I blame the game. It felt like Vi was pushing on me just cause, in a game as slow as this it annoyed me. A lot about this game is annoying me, trying to get past that though.

I don't see how that would annoy you.

I just want to get something done in this game is all.

I was thinking the same thing when I was pushing you. I don't like my nonread on you.

I (think I) know that BloodCovenent has legitimately not been around recently. rewq, on the other hand, volunteered to replace into this game, and... nothing. So why wait?

Unvote: Xdaamno
Vote: rewq455

(L-5)

[BloodCovenent]

Players, i have to sincerely apologize. I have been completely uninterested in mafia for the past two weeks and cannot seem to get myself around to playing ANY games, even the beginning ones, or the others that are closer to deadline. Mod, i am very sorry, i hate having to replace out, but i just don't think that i am able to finish this. Maybe some time in the summer i will be able to play again.

Again, i am sorry to the players, and the moderators for me having to do this. I never expected to do it, and i'm sorry. Good luck everyone else!

[HowardRoark]

Apologies for unexpected LA. Closing on my house still pending . . . stupid mortgage broker.

I don't like posting scum <--> town lists because it gives scum a little bit more information about easier mislynches, not on-the-correct-trail, etc. (I figured you knew this because I said it in the Newbie game . . . guess you weren't paying as much attention as I thought.) VP Baltar, what exactly do you have against me not wanting to give this?

SlySly was attempting to cast a shadow on an unnamed someone for suggesting lynching Porochaz today. While I appreciate his attempt at building a case on Vi, there's not much to it. SlySly, based on Vi's on-and-off with me, did a Vi/HowardRoark scum team ever cross your mind?

I obviously disagree with VP Baltar on the Xdaamno read. VP Baltar . . . jury is still out on SlySly but you see his case on Vi as extremely contrived . . . what's keeping him from being a scummy read?

[VP Baltar]

First thing's first,

Unvote, Vote: rewq455

. Post or die.

I don't like posting scum <--> town lists because it gives scum a little bit more information about easier mislynches, not on-the-correct-trail, etc. (I figured you knew this because I said it in the Newbie game . . . guess you weren't paying as much attention as I thought.) VP Baltar, what exactly do you have against me not wanting to give this?

Yes, well this isn't a newbie game and this is a pretty newbie philosophy for the most part. I'm against you not giving it because you seem to be going out of your way to keep your alleged suspicions as close to your chest as possible. Now, this likely either means a) you honestly believe that stating your suspicions is going to give the scum magical powers to pull the wool over your eyes (oh my!) or b) you don't actually have any real suspicions because you're scum.

Considering how not present you've been as of late, I think a full list of reads with some indepth analysis is very much called for from you specifically.

I obviously disagree with VP Baltar on the Xdaamno read. VP Baltar . . . jury is still out on SlySly but you see his case on Vi as extremely contrived . . . what's keeping him from being a scummy read?

Because I've actually played with him before when he was town. Sometimes a bad case is just a bad case.

[SlySly]

Mod: Can we get a vote count, please?

[rewq455]

I am very sorry about replacing into this game. Real life has come up and I no longer have the time I thought I had.
/b Mod request replacement /b
Sorry again

[VP Baltar]