Meta double take.
DDD, did you look at Reck's scum meta that I provided? I'd like to hear your opinion on it.
But that's just it - what happened to those doubts on ABR? You had a 'gut read' on him and yet almost immediately after casting the vote you downplayed the wagon every chance you hadSerialClergyman wrote:See - it's written as if Reck had already flipped. It also makes no strong stand (we'd need to have ABR flip, and flip a certain alignment, before he makes a solid prediction.) The actual accusation itself isn't revelatory at all - I was openly and honestly discussing my doubts about ABR and my opposition to the Reck wagon.hito wrote:Notice what happened here. Reckoner was at L-1, and then suddenly these two slipped off of the wagon (and let's be honest, THEY were specifically what made the Reck wagon seem less popular and possible today.) They did it by 'gunning' for each other, but now ABR seems to have forgotten SC entirely and SC has been doing his damndest to suck any energy from the ABR wagon while he's sitting on it.
I'm calling it - if ABR flips scum, SC is probably scum with him.
So when you vote Reck, then unvote, then vote ABR on an ephemeral gut read that you fail to follow through, that's townie, but when I say I'd take a Reck lynch but would prefer an ABR lynch, that's scum derailing?This is the actual way a scum player attempts to derail their partner's lynch, as opposed to the Sando way.hito wrote:'m liking VP's lynch list because it's more or less right in line with my own (though I'm also willing to go for SC). I disagree, though, that we should 'stop beating this dead horse.' VP, we seem to be the only ones that notice the horse is dead at all, and I think this is worth some more work.As I said from the start, it's hard not to like a Reck lynch when confirmed townies love it so, but this resistance to an ABR lynch is something I want to push at now, rather than defer to.
That's one thing I don't understand - it's like both you and ABR think that the scum will DIE if they don't get a bus in before their partner gets lynched (except ABR forgot he thinks that now I guess). Granted I'm not the most reliable source on this what with the never-scum and all, but it seems to me that you'd want to mix it up precisely to avoid this simplistic kind of analysis. Vi and Zorblag were both not on the Reck wagon and I have not heard a single accusation that it's a particularly scummy place to be.And thisi s the way an actual scum player sneaks in at the end of a wagon to bus their buddy before it's too late.hito wrote:I'm kind of aggravated that while I feel ABR came off greatly for the worse in that exchange everyone else seems inclined to pretend it never happened because his vote is back on Reck. That being said, lynching Reck is a hell of a consolation prize so I'm not as mad as I normally would be.
Vi, I'll probably be with you tomorrow on that Sando lynch (I'm gonna re-read him tonight with his most recent posts in mind). But for now, what the hell:
unvote, vote: Reckoner
And that is L-1 for real this time.
lol wutAlbert B. Rampage 956 wrote:SC did vote RECK for a good part of the day, he just unvoted at the last second.hitogoroshi wrote:But Albert, I thought you were 100% certain both of Reck's scumbuddies bussed.
Albert B. Rampage [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2108285#2108285]903[/url] wrote:Thinking back, Sando is town much for the same reason Serialclergyman is. Vi is town because Vi is town.
hitogoroshi [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2108288#2108288]905[/url] wrote:To be clear, 'much the same reason serialclergyman is' is 'people not voting for the scum are obviously town?'
Seriously, your post is trying to say 'but SC DID bus Reck' and that is just stupid.Albert B. Rampage [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2108290#2108290]906[/url] wrote:Yes hito, RECKONER was bussed by both his partners, one of which was yourself.
Unvote, vote hitogoroshi
And yet SC thinks that me jumping on your wagon was clearly me trying to derail the Reck wagon. You can't both be right here~Albert B. Rampage [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2108287#2108287]904[/url] wrote:I highly doubt scum would try to mount a rival bandwagon out of nothing when RECK was almost certainly going to be lynched.
What do you mean? You mean your question about the interaction between VPB and ABR? I did answer that regarding the VPB/ABR 'circus'.Vi wrote:And what of the VP Rampage duo?
I don't see why, I found his previous incantation scummy, and he was obviously alluding to finding me scummy. Interaction is the cornerstone of scumhunting, why would I want to avoid it as town?Vi wrote:But you said yesterday that you were waiting on hito to finish reading. If the hito/Porkchop slot is scum as you say, wouldn't that be at cross-purposes?
I actually said that I found him slightly scummy, but am unsure that I would have voted him under a neutral situation. I simply didn't find much of what Reck did scummy, compared to others. I think a few people were going on fairly gut reads, and I didn't get a gut scum read on him.Vi wrote:I'm curious as to what gave you a neutral read on xRx considering you were one of the people asking him questions before the wagon particularly took off. (In particular, he didn't directly answer your last question )
I did. But in the first instance, they were D1 suspicions, carried over into D2, and secondly, they were reinforced mainly because I felt he was avoiding posting and basically actively lurking. Him replacing out said to me that there was another reason for a general lack of activity. And as Zorblag said, I think Hito's catch-up posts gave him town-cred, deserved or not, and I think I bought that a bit.Vi wrote:Again, I thought you had general misgivings about the PorkchopExpress slot as early as D1?
Veeeeeery interesting. So you don't disagree with my assertion that you're keen to look at the NK and who the target was attacking, yet you are ignoring the death of Ojanen, despite her being on the same wagon as you at the end of D2...Serial wrote:My gues, should I be lynched here, is that another supporter of the hito lynch will probably die tomorrow.
Whoa there, the strength of your conviction is just blowing me away!Serial wrote:I think ABR, DDD, Sando are town. That leaves scum between hito, VP, Vi and Troll.
You should kill hito tomorrow, and probably VP after that.
I didn't check the links, but I'll trust the analysis since it would be potentially lethally stupid for you to lie about what they entailed. I think that certainly removes one of my main objections to the possibility that PCE/Hito is scum. I'm really having a hard time parsing between Hito and SC lately as to who I think is scummier. If they aren't partners then I'd look to Sando and Zorblag next and I still have no idea how to read ABR.VP Baltar wrote:Unvote, Vote: hitogoroshi
Meta double take.
DDD, did you look at Reck's scum meta that I provided? I'd like to hear your opinion on it.
Well, it's not just that ithito wrote:VP: So you're saying you're voting me because you're convinced Reck's early vote could have only been a bus? I can see your meta argument arguing that it could have possibly been a bus, but it kinda tees me off that you're putting me at L-1 for what looks like nothing more than the idea that it's impossible for Reck not to bus d1 - and that argument was apparently enough to get you to get over your two big scum reads/preferred lynches of SC/ABR and vote with the pair of them.