I'm firmly in Troll's boat when it comes to hito's iso mega-posting. Unfortunately for him, I think he's painted himself into a meta corner of the giant iso posts when he replaces, so I think he'd do it as town or scum. I'm just going to sum up what I see his alignment reads as being upon replacing in:
ABR
- confused on his iso, but ends up voting him after checking everyone out
Amished
- was already confirmed town, but says he doesn't believe in the replacement scumtell because it would hit him as town if used.
charlatan
- also confirmed town already. Says he agrees with one point against me and one against Troll made my charlie
DDD
- neutral. doesn't like his play, but likes his vote on Reckoner
Ojanen
- ? I guess he seems to have a townish read. He thinks she makes an ok case against him, but wants her to stop voting there. I dunno, this iso seems muddled.
Porkchopexpress
- says he liked PCE's Sando suspicion and he's confirmed town to himself obv.
Sando
- scum. Says he wasn't doing much of anything and his voting (particularly on PCE) sucked a big one.
xRECKONERx
- loves the RECKONER wagon and the fact that confirmed townies loved it....but he doesn't think it's better than Sando, so...yeah.
SerialClergyman
- neutralish? likes some of SC's posts, but feels uneasy about him.
Vi
- ? thinks her Day 1 content is "bland", but Day 2 is better particularly her attacks on Sando.
VP Baltar
- not sure on his read of me, but likes my ABR vote at that time.
Zorblag
- townish? likes some of his posting, but is having a hard time getting a read on him. \
After the iso spectacular, hito makes some weird comments about having no town reads (which I don't like), not thinking he can get Sando lynched and therefore not voting him (which I don't like), likes DDD/Sando/ABR wagons (which is fine), and still likes reck but it's too early to end the day (which is so-so).
hito pushes on ABR in a way that seems relatively genuine. He attacks him for not following through on Reckoner, which I also felt at the time was scummy despite ABR's love affair with hyperbole. Of course, all of that banks on Reckoner scum who hito had yet to vote for at that point.
He repeatedly lets out the mantra of "Reck shouldn't be the only wagon today", which I can get down with but he says it A LOT and that's a touch strange/sounds a bit like stalling.
Then we get it again in iso 10:
hito iso 10 wrote:As I said from the start, it's hard not to like a Reck lynch when confirmed townies love it so, but this resistance to an ABR lynch is something I want to push at now, rather than defer to.
But by the next day, hito feels that no one is listening to him about ABR (though he didn't SAY anything else for people to hear) and he's ready to put Reck at L-1:
hito iso 13 wrote:I'm kind of aggravated that while I feel ABR came off greatly for the worse in that exchange everyone else seems inclined to pretend it never happened because his vote is back on Reck. That being said, lynching Reck is a hell of a consolation prize so I'm not as mad as I normally would be.
Vi, I'll probably be with you tomorrow on that Sando lynch (I'm gonna re-read him tonight with his most recent posts in mind). But for now, what the hell:
unvote, vote: Reckoner
I could read this as forced and settling for a bus after failing to gain traction elsewhere.
Day 3 hito continues the ABR + Sand = Scumz4life tune, which reading in iso seems like he's really in a rut. I can't necessarily tell if it's a town rut or a scum rut, however.
hito iso 17 wrote:Troll wrote:
Today he's got Albert B. Rampage and Sando still listed as his top suspects but he chooses not to vote at all at the start because voting for Albert B. Rampage would be a waste of his vote because the wagon wouldn't get going yesterday and Sando isn't current around to defend himself. I just don't buy it. How is voting for Albert B. Rampage more a waste of a vote than not voting at all at this point. If he's all over an Albert B. Rampage lynch (which I still don't think is a good move) then there's really no good reason at all not to rest his vote there while he's seeing what others do.
The reason is that as soon as I vote for someone, having an 'unvote, vote X' will give the impression that I think X is more scummy than ABR, when in truth ABR is still my top suspect and I'm only not voting him because nothing will come of it at the moment.
I think Troll brings up a good point here about hito's hesitance and hito's response is less than understandable.
**Side question for hito, have you felt intimdated by this player list at all during this game?
After starting the day with ABR/Sando as scum that hito can't vote for, he comes in late on the SC wagon and puts him at L-1 after having no reasoning whatsoever. I had sort of forgotten about this, but I'm glad I was reminded of it in this iso.
After this, I push on hito after I meta'ed Reckoner which starts a wagon on him. It gets good traction and then we get THE MECHANISM. I mean, I still still think this is one of the most insane things I have heard in a mafia game, and now that ABR has flipped town it basically confirms it is insanity at best. The question is if scum would come up with something THAT contrived and put in all that effort to save their skin. hito and SC were both at L-2 at the time and hito wasn't on SC's wagon, so why would he as scum go to all that trouble to try and defuse both their wagons instead of getting a viable SC mislynch?
What also gives me major hesitation about calling hito scum for that is how much he brought up his own lynch. That's a narrow line for scum to walk on and most would err on the side of caution in that regard. Sure, a scum might say something like 'When I flip town..blah blah blah', but they don't often ask to be lynched.
hito iso 24 wrote:Let's assume I'm lynched. SC is more or less confirmed town. ABR could be doing another Reck-level bus, of course, but I just don't see that at all in his interactions with SC. The one switch made sense with a scumbuddy relationship (from 'wanna go? Right now?' to 'probably town') but I just don't see this events with an ABR/SC scumteam. The mechanism is the only interpretation of these events that I can find possible.
On the other hand, hito is also a touch over the top with all of it and could be scum feeling pressure that wasn't necessarily there. ie:
hito iso 24 wrote:This is more or less a death sentence for me. While I dearly hope the town can see my points now, pragmatism tells me nothing will come of it because I've long since been yelling in to the wind regarding Albert. I did not vote for Albert at the start of the day because I knew it would do nothing, and I vote him here knowing it will probably do nothing and with it doing I will be the only viable option for a lynch.
But that's fine. Because the difference is when I go town, my dead hand will not be pointing at the heart of the other popular wagon. I'll be pointing at scum.
Basically, I really need to hear from hito today now that ABR has flipped town. I know you don't want to do wall posts and all of that, which is fine, but I need to hear who you actually think is scum and some damn good reasons why after the big fuss you made about your theory being the only possible explanation.
hito iso 38 wrote:VP wrote:
Now, I will say on the other (third?) hand that hito did sort of play the "Reck's big time scum" card quite awhile yesterday without voting. It gives me a bit of pause, but it is plausible that it came from town.
As I said, I had nothing against a Reck wagon but I don't like having a one wagon day most of the time - which I think is justified here, seeing all the content that prolonging the day brought out.
I want to come back to this, what do you think was the most pertinent info that came out of that day by you staying off of Reck? I don't really mean this in a revisionist way now that ABR has flipped town, I just wanted to know if you could remember your thoughts from this post.
I still think hito's flip on Sando was weird considering his stance toward him all game prior to that and it wasn't ever explained all that well, but meh.
I like hito's iso 44, but I think I have a strong bias toward believing Troll and DDD are the scum who made Reckoner an early bus for street cred.
Overall, I can see hito going either way, but I very slightly lean town on him because some of his posting would be very hard to fake as scum. Complicating this of course is that hito has basically no scum meta and it's hard to see how ballsy he is as scum. I'll need to look closer at the link he provided, but his professed strategy of "look as townie as possible" doesn't really fit with my idea of a crazy gambit like THE MECHANISM would be.
hito hasn't had a great deal of interaction with any of you guys to the point that I can see an obvious buddy for him either, though that doesn't mean it's not plausible. I think the biggest thing I need right now to help me solidify my read on hito is to hear from him who he thinks the scum are and why.