Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Jack]

vote:FFFF

I will support every FFFF wagon.

[Jack]

vote:FFFF

I will support every FFFF wagon.

How does he go?

Pointedly.

Vote Count 01: Lynch

Cobalt - 1 - Elscouta
curiouskarmadog - 1 - SensFan
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Iecerint
Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 1 - J-Scope
J-Scope - 1 - Drippereth
PaltryExcuse - 1 - SpyreX
Steam Powered Shovel - 1 - Starbuck
xofelf - 1 - farside22
SensFan -

3

- Cyberbob, Papa Zito, Steam-Powered Shovel
Cyberbob - 1 - xofelf
Kmd4390 - 1 - FeFiFoFum
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Jack

Not Voting (10): Kmd4390, MehPlusRawr, xvart, Elmocrates, Anon, curiouskarmadog, Budja, Cobalt, ooba, SocioPath

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Jack]

@SpyreX: it was on the previous page

[Jack]

What more do you want to know than "I voted Cobalt because we were scumbuddies last game"?

No. No, no, no and NO.

I know

I would never

, ever post anything like that in any game. Except as noob scum believing in the mystical power of WIFOM and wanted to hit the ground running in my first post.

Do you're scum. With xvart.

-DGB

Key phrase here.

[Jack]

So far the only thing I have to say is, breadcrumbing your role if you're a cop is stupid.

[Jack]

I don't understand your motivation there SpyreX.

[Jack]

Yes.

[Jack]

It was a simple question...why don't you want to share your motivation?

[Jack]

And I wanted to know why you wanted to know that. SpyreX, I feel sometimes like you are putting words in my mouth.

[Jack]

I wanted to know what rationale you had because making any reference to a breadcrumb at this stage is one of those "If I had a daykill I'd sure be greasing the barrel" kind of statements and, silly me, I opted to let you try to explain how that was a GOOD THING or, really, even A NULL THING versus A BAD THING SCUM DO.

Why don't you explain why it's a bad thing scum do? Did I misunderstand your comment about "a certain subset of players who can talk to each other at night"?

[Jack]

Yes. Xofelf pretty clearly said "

Except

in the past games i've played with them". So Sens with his "more importantly" is off base.

Although I can see how you would read it the wrong way, because if you start at the beginning "But whoever...", it isn't as clear how "Except" is being used. Sometimes people say except instead of "but". But for that to be the case she would need to have said "Except

that

".

So yeah, that's a pointless little semantics argument.

[Jack]

I would love to know where the hell Jack came up with the cop-word though.

What?

Vote Count 09: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 1 - xvart
Steam Powered Shovel - 1 - Starbuck
SensFan - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Jack
xvart -

6

- Elmocrates, Budja, Kmd4390, farside22, FeFiFoFum, Anon
Anon - 1 - Elscouta
MehPlusRawr - 1 - Papa Zito
xofelf - 1 - SensFan
Jack - 3 - SpyreX, SocioPath, J-Scope
Cyberbob - 2 - Cobalt, Iecerint
Papa Zito - 2 - Drippereth, ooba
Elscouta - 1 - curiouskarmadog
Cobalt -1 - Cyberbob

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Jack]

Ok, so nothing odd about what xofelf said about how she reads SensFan's play. That was a dead end.

He was distracting from better topics

[Jack]

It was a bit of rhetoric.

There are no objective signs of it being rhetoric.

[Jack]

Neither were there signs of Kmd's comment being sarcastic to someone who didn't spot the connection with xvart, but it was.

I was expressing suspicion at how you might have gotten the idea that it was specifically a

cop

breadcrumb. I was not asking for you to actually show it to me.

a) how does expressing suspicion = just a bit of rhetoric
b) why were you suspicious about it being a cop breadcrumb specifically? Aren't breadcrumbs usually specific? Do people breadcrumb "as yet unnamed power role"?

[Jack]

unvote, vote:CyberBob

For being rude among other things

[Jack]

GUYS

PLEASE

FOR ME

FOR LOVE

Hello, SpyreX. Is there something you wish to say to me?

[Jack]

You guys don't find cyberbob scummy at all?

[Jack]

SpyreX, I just realized that I forgot to say "you're welcome" earlier when you thanked me, I apologize for that.

Vote Count 11: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 2 - xvart, SocioPath
Steam Powered Shovel - 1 - Elmocrates
xvart -

5

- Budja, Kmd4390, farside22, FeFiFoFum, Anon
Anon - 1 - Elscouta
MehPlusRawr - 1 - Papa Zito
xofelf - 2 - SensFan, Drippereth
Jack - 4 - SpyreX, J-Scope, curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel
Cyberbob - 3 - Cobalt, Iecerint, Jack
Papa Zito - 1 - ooba
Cobalt -2 - Cyberbob, Starbuck

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Jack]

Content is such a buzzword.

Cobalt isn't particularly playing different from the game I saw him as town in.

[Jack]

Was there a time when Cobalt started posting something other votes? Did he come out of his shell later in the game? Was he helpful and achieving the town win condition?

No, we killed him night 1.

You're surprised that no one joins in your suspicion of someone being scum based on how rude he is?

No not in the slightest. That wasn't the point.

What are the "among other things?" You felt it was only important to mention the rudeness but not the other things?

Well, a) I fully support policy lynching people for being rude and b) as was discussed in the

several posts on the preceding page leading up to my CyberBob vote

I didn't like how he tried to jump to "it was a bit of rhetoric" when I asked him what was up with that post. Of course he wasn't asking me to point the supposed breadcrumb out, I wanted to know how he came up with cop-word specifically. I still don't know what he meant by that. I feel his whole reaction to a "What?" post and the follow ups sounds a bit like scum worried that he's going to get jumped on. I haven't decided whether the rudeness is a bit tactical.

All in all it's rather weak, but it's only page 12 and there hasn't been much useful posting this game.

[Jack]

Ah yes, that thing that allows people to read your thoughts and feelings, as well as being a tool for persuading others to agree with a certain point of view. What a cliche.

Hello Cyberbob.

Buzzword, not cliche.

[Jack]

A random cop breadcrumb (if that's even what it was) is null. I would say all the people talking about it are worse than the one who did it.

Lack of content, however, is true, and I agree that it's scummy. Also his reaction to a sudden wagon on him ("What, you don't find Cyberbob scummy?") was lulz.

Hello Papa, I think your are misunderstanding Jack's intention with that post. ISO CKD and tell me what you see. Same for Steam powered. I would peg both of them as opportunistic.

CKD abandoned her third post of the day and only serious case with a weaksauce "I've been back and forth on Jack...that last vote though...". I think in Jack's opinion the vote is fairly obvious given the context of the discussion the previous day. CKD, what made you go back and forth previously?

Steam powered said he didn't think Jack's cop breadcrumb (or whatever it was) was scummy earlier but votes Jack for being "deliberately unhelpful"-->which isn't really a fair accusation imo, CKD would be a better target.

SpyreX seems to be ticked off for some reason, but that's another story I guess.

[Jack]

The absolute disconnect from reality? Which, considering his last post approached normality should be even more startling.

" First cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."--Mathew 7:5

Read your own ISO Herr SpyreX. In what "reality" (to use your phrase) is it normal to make a few RVS posts and then focus in on one other player out of...annoyance<--??

[Jack]

I think this game might be a record for most words without anything worthwhile coming out of it. But then I guess a lot of the big games are like that, pyp II being the exception of course. But I think the other two I was in were like this. If we aren't going to policy lynch CyberBob we should just lynch CKD and get to day 2. Except not actually, just act like we will to move things along a bit.

[Jack]

Still curious about what those two have to do with CyberBob.

I wanted to see what they thought about him, since they were voting me after my talk+vote. i.e., had they been reading before voting or were they just jumping on?

[Jack]

Does anyone smell the blood of an Englishman? I haven't for a while.

Vote Count 14: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 1 - SocioPath
xvart - 4 - Budja, Kmd4390, FeFiFoFum, Anon
Anon - 1 - Elscouta
MehPlusRawr - 1 - Papa Zito
xofelf - 2 - SensFan, Drippereth
Jack -

5

- SpyreX, J-Scope, curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elmocrates
Cyberbob - 2 - Cobalt, Jack
Papa Zito - 2 - ooba, Iecerint
Cobalt - 3 - Cyberbob, Starbuck, xvart
Steam-Powered Shovel - 1 - farside22
Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Jack]

Aren't you always looking forward to that PZ?

But since Faraday is a part of that hydra and Faraday always finds me scummy, it's not surprising, really.

I see what you mean. The only reason he finds you scummy is because he always does (not because you're scummy), that must be annoying

[Jack]

Ooh, I really don't like xvart now. That post is terrible. Maybe I should do something more useful with my vote.

unvote, vote:xvart

[Jack]

Kill:CyberBob

Hate to waste it this early; but it's for the good of the game.

[Jack]

Ok so spyreX, besides me and SPS, who do you find suspicious?

I think xvart has been very scummy.

All I know is if either of them actually replace out of the game, those that pushed them based on reasons they specifically said not to, I will go on a warpath towards those that caused such.

See SIR CYANIDE's topic about being scum trying to force a modkill.

I agree with this. And that's one reason why it's acceptable to policy lynch people for being rude btw.

[Jack]

Actually I'm very pleased with Paltry's play. Look at his ISO and tell me his last post isn't just awesome.

[Jack]

I have bad vibes on lecerint. Secret towntell? What's the point of announing it? Just to show that you are town/scumhunting?

If you change your mind it's a good idea to at least say that you have when you do.

[Jack]

"Purpose" is another buzzword.

[Jack]

What have you done that is directly positive and advances the goal of finding scum at all this game?

I'm voting for scum. Maybe I should start talking in all caps about how no one else is voting them. That would be some purposeful content :arrow:

[Jack]

I checked one of xvart's other games (over) but got bored partway through reading his ISO which I'll take as a sign that I should be paying attention to someone else.

I'm getting a good feeling about Elscouta as scum.

unvote, vote:Elscouta

Don't feel like talking about everything from his ISO, but the silly fakey reasoning for having "bad vibes" about Iec and that last post which sounds more like scum smelling blood than an interested townie. Before he dismissed xolf/sens as a distraction btw.

[Jack]

I checked one of xvart's other games (over) but got bored partway through reading his ISO which I'll take as a sign that I should be paying attention to someone else.

I'm getting a good feeling about Elscouta as scum.

unvote, vote:Elscouta

Don't feel like talking about everything from his ISO, but the silly fakey reasoning for having "bad vibes" about Iec and that last post which sounds more like scum smelling blood than an interested townie. Before he dismissed xolf/sens as a distraction btw.

You aren't interested on the fact that two players are claiming that the other is lying on concrete facts?

Not in the slightest. What about it is interesting to you?

[Jack]

I myself have played many games with sens including several off site, remember that hilarious game we played in the youtube comment section of a video about chocolate chip ice cream Sens? But really we should be lynching Elscouta.

[Jack]

I would be interested in running up another wagon and see if Budja jumps on it, too.

interesting statement...this REALLY is sticking out to me. At this point post (289) Jack has 4 votes. Cobalt just has 2. You express suspicion on Jack in the post with an FOS, but you vote cobalt instead? So why not vote Jack to "run up a wagon" and see if Bud jumps on it?

It was more of an observational post, rather than a real "experiment;" regardless, at the time of my post, Budja had already set himself up to jump on the two next largest wagons (Jack and Cyberbob) either by direct statement or FoS's so running up Jack's wagon wouldn't really do anything for my suggested "experiment."

xvart.

So when you said this in response to Budja when he commented on that "see if Budja jumps on it" quote:

How did I misrepresent you? I didn't even make a direct comment about you or say Budja does this or Budja does that. A little defensive?

You were basically full of it? i.e. you were clearly accusing him of being wagon happy, but we he called you on that claim you tried to dodge it and accuse him of being defensive.

[Jack]

You were basically full of it? i.e. you were clearly accusing him of being wagon happy, but we he called you on that claim you tried to dodge it and accuse him of being defensive.

I don't really see what you are trying to say. He didn't respond to my wagon statement other than saying I was misrepresenting him. Furthermore, he didn't "call me" on the content of my post, which you seem to think he did. My response to him was about him claiming I was misrepresenting him, not the wagon comment or him being "wagon happy." I didn't misrepresent him at all. He should know himself that he has been very vocal about liking several wagons, FoS's on all the leading wagons, the temptations of switching wagons, etc. How is me saying I was curious to run up another wagon and see if he was going to get on it misrepresenting anything? Do you think his post in response to mine is a sufficient rebuttal? He didn't refute anything other than saying his vote hasn't moved in ages.

xvart.

You evasively claimed that you "hadn't made a direct comment" about him or said "Budja does this or that". But by your own admission you were accusing him of jumping on wagons scummily and for no reason (don't try and claim that you were just matter of factly pointing it out, this is mafia).

[Jack]

Arg, this was supposed to be combined with the last.

Sigh.

This isn't going to go away, is it?

Vote: Xoelf

If they want to draw the battle lines this ridiculously then sure.

This is a scummy vote. Townies shouldn't let silly arguments drive their vote even if they "aren't going to go away".

[Jack]

Whatever floats your boat, Jack.

The fact that this derailed the thread into this junk and Sens has opted to pull the "this is an absolute lie" well.

I don't believe your is genuine. I don't think your "sigh" was either.

[Jack]

That's a scummy post...those suspicions are all you've got? They're terrible.

[Jack]

SPS is moving up my scumlist.

[Jack]

I agree with what Elmo was saying in those quotes. You can't just claim someone is lying if it's reasonable to say that they could just be mistaken.

[Jack]

MehPlus, how come you confirmed but didn't post?

[Jack]

MehPlus, how come you confirmed but didn't post?

[Jack]

I changed my mind about xofelf, after careful examination and much soul-wrenching. She's town.

Thank God finally someone please vote SPS with me now.

I'll vote for SPS if you vote for Elscouta.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Steam powered Shovel

[Jack]

Am I the only one who thought by reading Drippereth post #569-571:

Yes.

[Jack]

He was being kind of rude.

[Jack]

She claimed she pm'd the mod and asked. I've been pretty much ignoring the argument and even I remember that.

[Jack]

Am I just being bandwagonned for playing my normal game here or does anyone have a real argument against me?

Yes: gut.

[Jack]

Scummier and scummier. Your just soooo casual about the wagon on you, aren't you. You probably made up that bit about putting the wrong name down.

Remarkably we've come up with 2 good wagons out of this day.

[Jack]

Unvote, Vote: xofelf

K. You convinced me.

What convinced you?

[Jack]

I think KMD is legit busy. Since the game he's modding has been in night for a few days longer than it should have been.

Vote Count 25: Lynch

xvart - 2 - Kmd4390, FeFiFoFum
xofelf -

9

- SensFan, Papa Zito, xvart, SpyreX, Cobalt, Cyberbob, ooba, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elscouta
Jack - 1 - curiouskarmadog
Cobalt - 1 - Starbuck
Steam-Powered Shovel - 8 - farside22, SocioPath, MehPlusRawr, Drippereth, Jack, Iecerint, Budja, Anon
FeFiFoFum - 1 - J-Scope
Ooba - 1 - Elmocrates
Elscouta - 1 - Nachomamma8

Not Voting (1): xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Jack]

I'm ok with lynching xofelf.

[Jack]

I don't think xofelf was going to claim before the deadline anyway. I have no problem with kmd's decision.

Drippereth, I find that putting forth arguments tends to help getting the lynches you want. You might want to consider that next time.

In this game and your completed game you checked you weren't heavy on arguments. You said you were a gut player in that game.

You sound most like Parama (scum) from pizzaria, complaining about gut reads on him with nothing else attached.

[Jack]

preDestroy:xofelf

[Jack]

Destroy:xofelf

I assume reviving farside is the best thing to do.

Elscouta and SPS are the scummiest. But

Vote:Nachomamma

You were very quiet yesterday even for someone who replaced in part way through.

[Jack]

I would assume FFFF is lying if it comes to that, just cause he's FFFF. It kind of sucks to have a watcher role if the mafia group kill doesn't show up on it, but it's possible.

[Jack]

@j-scope: yes


The thing about the "ability to see if anything was done to the target" is that "watching" isn't actually doing anything to the target. It's just looking at them from a distance.

[Jack]

Yes, I think FFFF is the lying scum here, and Ooba didn't get a result because of how the mafia kill is done. Could have been a group kill, she could have been hit during the day and only died at night, etc.

[Jack]

How am lying then Jack?

You said J-scope targetted farside, but he didn't. And ooba who was also watching farside didn't see anyone target farside.

[Jack]

FeFiFoFail

[Jack]

Quick Question: If FFFF is actually scum - why would he do this? Benefit?

It was a good play actually. He was probably going to get lynched or investigated at some point, so might as well claim with a fake result and either get a mislynch or out a power role.

Have we revived farside and destroyed xofelf yet?

Elscouta is very scummy.

[Jack]

That just seems unlikely ooba. And FFFF would totally claim what he did as scum.

[Jack]

@j-scope: yes

We can take this as confirmation that you were in fact targeted by J-Scope last night?

By someone. I assume J-Scope because he knew about it somehow.

BTW Jack: why do you have so many hard feelings from our last game together?

PYP or teleporter? Why would I have hard feelings?


I can see CKD as scum too from his posts today.

[Jack]

Even if FFFF turns up scum, please do not discount the question as to

why he did it.

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?!??!?!?!

NOW WE CAN'T GET ELLI BACK

dsfajskdlfjskdlf

[Jack]

I feel like SpyreX is lurking today. What were you thinking about when you voted J-Scope?

[Jack]

Not seeing FFFF as at all town. Barefaced lie != town.

[Jack]

Did you read the last couple rounds of U2 SpyreX?

[Jack]

I don't really get your stance on it though. Don't you think you can read people better if you've played with them?

[Jack]

Why the heck am I voting nachomamma?

unvote, vote: FeFiFoFum

[Jack]

This elf thing makes it a bit tough...I'm guessing Elscouta was a vig kill though.

destroy:FFFF

J-scope seems like the one to revive.

Vote:Steam Powered Shovel

[Jack]

Hmm, he basically skipped yesterday. Why did you do that Xvart?

[Jack]

Yeah checking msutils that seems pretty consistent.

[Jack]

Revive:J-scope

[Jack]

Kmd, read Jack's post. He never actually voted to revive J, but he did passively list that J was the one to revive. Why he never bothered to outright revive him is anyone's guess, though.

I totally did...right above you...not reading to carefully ay??

[Jack]

Going to ISO Nachomamma and J-Scope to see who I'd rather see revived.

^^^^should be lynched

[Jack]

I've been in a game where Iec has tried misconstruing V/LA's of mine purposely before.

He was scum in that game.

This looks to be more of the same.

Vote: Iec

This doesn't really look that similar, and apparently you were scum in that game too?

I don't get the case on Iec.

[Jack]

If we knew he was a detective, and he'd been banned, we'd be asking for him to be replaced. So we should just destroy him.

[Jack]

Iecerint you have a double vote?

[Jack]

Not in favor of a modkill. Think it gives the town an unfair informational advantage.

Who's side our you on?

The side of MORALITY, farside

[Jack]

Isn't the Iec case based on the meta Socio brought up?

[Jack]

I don't agree with the case on Iec.

Cyberbob is hard to tell about.

Like the SPS wagon (hint hint).

Suppose I should recheck Budja.

[Jack]

fos:cyberbob

[Jack]

Let's lynch SPS.

[Jack]

I disapprove of asking for the case before you decide whether you think the person is suspicious. You can read yourself, either SPS or the people voting him. Asking for the case only makes sense if you suspect the person you are asking and want to see what kind of reasoning they have.

[Jack]

So SPS is like a 2-shot scum governor?

[Jack]

Basically there's almost no way that the mod didn't give the scum some power over the revive/destroy votes in this setup. Governor is guaranteed to be a scum role.

[Jack]

That was not an answer to spyreX btw. With the 2-shot bit I was thinking that it was silly to think that his role was "too powerful for scum" when we only had his word for it that it was unlimited. But I don't think the too powerful bit holds even if it is unlimited.

[Jack]

Right, we need 3 more votes on SPS then.

[Jack]

Iec, you're assuming that SPS's role works how he described it.

[Jack]

No no. The point is, you are talking about how it doesn't make sense for scum with unlimited revive blocks to not block the revival of farside. But why do you think he has unlimited revive blocks? If he only had 2 or 3 and was scum, wouldn't he claim to have unlimited to make the role "too powerful for scum"?

[Jack]

SoF HoM'd deadSPS

[Jack]

farside, ckd, xvart. If a no lynch happens it's because of them.

[Jack]

Hmm I agree with all of that. But SPS claimed "Mandos".

[Jack]

vote:budja

[Jack]

I remember now. I saw something yesterday that made me think Anon was scum. Don't know what it was though.

unvote, vote:Anon

[Jack]

Wasn't it FFFF (who now flipped town) that had a track on J-Scope?

That he made up.

**************

If SPS was scum (what's the flavor thing about him not being an elf = shouldn't go to Mandos?) then Anon is a likely scumbuddy. He he kind of flits around the wagon. The only person he's really pushed is FFFF. Read his ISO.

[Jack]

Where was it figured out that there was more than one team?

[Jack]

One of the kills is a vig kill it seems. Haven't we alternated nights of lots of kills and nights of low kills so far?

[Jack]

CKD is a good lynch. But Anon is probably better.

[Jack]

Cobalt has been pretty quiet it's true. Anon, CKD, and Cobalt. What a nice set of options.

[Jack]

I'm voting Anon. Maybe you should too.

[Jack]

CKD was scummy, but the recent votes seem scummy too.

[Jack]

Jumping on a soft claim seems a bit opportunistic. If I'm town and someone I really suspect soft claims I usually just demand full. It's way better than pushing a wagon up imo. And CKD is seeming fairly genuine, which they aren't acknowledging, it's just "soft claim blah blah 2scum4scum what a bad defense, let's wagon him".

[Jack]

Jumping on a soft claim seems a bit opportunistic. If I'm town and someone I really suspect soft claims I usually just demand full. It's way better than pushing a wagon up imo. And CKD is seeming fairly genuine, which they aren't acknowledging, it's just "soft claim blah blah 2scum4scum what a bad defense, let's wagon him".

If he's lying he's lynched what's the harm. If he's telling the truth we get rid of someone else we determine scummy who hammers.
Issue?

Don't talk to me about strategy farside.

Vote Count 4 - 04: Lynch

curiouskarmadog -

5

- Iecerint, Budja, SocioPath, Kmd4390, Papa Zito
Anon - 2 - SpyreX, Jack
Iecerint - 2 - curiouskarmadog, xvart
Cobalt - 1 - farside22

Not Voting (7): Starbuck, MehPlusRawr, Cyberbob, Anon, Cobalt, ooba, J-Scope

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

[Jack]

Anon's scumbuddies don't want him to be lynched.

[Jack]

So when I talked about why Anon's scumbuddies didn't want him lynched, you answered as if I was talking to you, and gave a fence sitting opinion of him.

[Jack]

Scum points for CyberBob.

[Jack]

Cobalt doesn't seem to be posting in other games either.

[Jack]

I have no idea what the case on Anon is. Summary pl0x.

Can you summarize why you don't know what the case on Anon is for me?

[Jack]

Looking over the player list I feel pretty good about a lot of people. Except I notice starbuck now. Tons of posting day 1, active lurking since then.

fos:Starbuck

[Jack]

btw, was SPS destroyed or not?

[Jack]

I say full speed ahead on the Anon wagon.

[Jack]

SPS definitely got enough votes, but I wonder if his destruction was blocked somehow.

[Jack]

SPS definitely got enough votes, but I wonder if his destruction was blocked somehow.

I thought we were attempting to destroy Elscouta.

It's kind of like you think saying you haven't been reading this day carefully will make people think you're town.

[Jack]

Starbuck
Cobalt
Budja
CyberBob

[Jack]

Or there was a roleblock, doc protection, every-other-night killer...

[Jack]

oh look Anon stretched to find a reason to vote me without trying to look like he is saving self ...lame (not the act of saving self, but the bullshit reason you are doing it).

Yeah, that case was fake.

[Jack]

I think both of my halves agree on starbuck if the Anon wagon doesn't pan out.

[Jack]

I think both of my halves agree on starbuck if the Anon wagon doesn't pan out.

Why is Anon scum?

Effort in defending self (partly by attacking others) >>>>>> effort spent trying to find scum (lurking instead)

[Jack]

unvote, vote:StarBuck

[Jack]

It's not a case of "if CKD is SS". It's a case of "CKD is alluding to possibly being SS". So the best plan is to have someone volunteer.

[Jack]

Except that really, we should be talking about lynching starbuck. Although I'm feeling a bit convinced that her VT claim was genuine suddenly.

Let's lynch Anon

unvote, vote:Anon

[Jack]

Ick.

unvote, vote:Budja

[Jack]

I will vote Iec over CKD.

I should reread but haven't...

[Jack]

Technically with by budja vote he is tied for the lead

[Jack]

Seriously...half the people got on the wagon in the first place to "see his claim" or "it's like a double lynch for the town".

[Jack]

The SS stuff is pointless. Elf scum can hammer with impunity.

[Jack]

Iec is sounding like scum especially with that last comment.

But I'm very confused about the confirmed scum stuff, and the kills and all theses elves...let's hold off on the revive-destroy stuff for a while.

Decent bet that the Anon wagon was derailed by scum. CKD seemed town.

[Jack]

I think that's posting frequency.

Vote Count 5 - 02: Lynch

Drippereth - 1 - Iecerint
Iecerint -

4

- Drippereth, SpyreX, J-Scope, Starbuck

Not Voting (9): Kmd4390, farside22, MehPlusRawr, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Jack, Budja, SocioPath

With 14 players alive it'll take 8 to lynch and 7 to no-lynch.

Vote Count 5 - 02: Revive

ooba - 1 - Iecerint
Nachomamma8 -

4

- Drippereth, SpyreX, J-Scope, Starbuck

Not Voting (9): Kmd4390, farside22, MehPlusRawr, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Jack, Budja, SocioPath

With 14 players alive it'll take 8 to Revive. If a player has 8 or more votes to Revive, the choice is locked in and that player will be revived and return to the game proper when the lynch resolves.

Vote Count 5 - 02: Destroy

curiouskarmadog -

2

- Iecerint, Budja
Cobalt - 1 - SpyreX

Not Voting (11): Drippereth, Kmd4390, Starbuck, farside22, MehPlusRawr, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Jack, SocioPath, J-Scope

With 14 players alive it'll take 8 to Destroy. If a player has 8 or more votes to Destroy, the choice is locked in and that player will be revived and return to the game proper when the lynch resolves.

[Jack]

You should put me at 0.00 for pushing for sps and anon lynches.

This game should be easy to crack since they both had wagons on them that got derailed in favor of the xofelf and ckd wagons. But someone else can do the rereading.

[Jack]

Iec is digging himself into a scumhole with the algorithm complaining.

ooba claimed watcher, but his results were weird and FFFF flipped watcher, don't know what to say about that.

I don't know why some people are sure of everything all of a sudden.

[Jack]

Ok, I'll vote Iec when we figure out who we are reviving and destroying.

[Jack]

The PM I got N4 was the same as the one I got N1-3. It said Budja was not a Werewolf (more flavorsomely, that his smell didn't indicate that he was a werewolf).

If you're telling the truth, the Mod just doesn't differentiate between negatives and roleblock-motivated negatives.

You mean your theory is the mod says "budja--not a werewolf" when you are jailkept?

[Jack]

Anon hasn't posted since the 30th. That's more grounds for a replacement than a lynch - something I wouldn't be opposed to for Cobalt, either come to think of it, though the posts that he

has

made have been far worse in terms of content than Anon's.

I don't think CKD is scum for the softclaim; there's no question that it was stupid as hell but at this point it looks like he'd almost be happy with dying because that would mean proving certain people wrong (which is anti-town as shit for a PR to do but scummy? IMO no).

I'm a bit stumped for just who actually might be scum at the moment, the waters are muddied as hell with all these competing wagons. SPS was probably scum given his entirely unneccessary lie; I'll give him a read to see whether there's anyone he came off as especially neutral on or didn't mention a whole lot (both of which being indications of a scumbuddy).

From page 55, CyberBob is scum.

vote:Cyberbob

Revive:Nacho
Destroy:Cobalt

[Jack]

Let's get the the revive and destroy done before we even put him at l-5.

[Jack]

undestroy[/b[

[Jack]

destroy:cobalt

[Jack]

Did we do the revive yet?

Vote Count 6 - 03: Lynch

SocioPath -

5

- SpyreX, Cyberbob, MehPlusRawr, Budja, Kmd4390
Cyberbob - 1 - Jack
Kmd4390 - 1 -SocioPath

Not Voting (6): Starbuck, farside22, Papa Zito, xvart, J-Scope,

With 12 players alive it'll take 7 to lynch and 6 to no-lynch.

[Jack]

Vote:SocioPath

[Jack]

We have two watches tonight. Kmd and spy seem the most important.

[Jack]

Yeah, I don't see any reason to disagree with that. MPR is way quieter than in the other large game I had with him (where he was town).

[Jack]

Revive: KMD
Vote: MPR

Although I think there is a good chance the elves are all dead or in the halls.
(or SpyreX is really really good )

What do you mean?

[Jack]

I'm going to say either MPR is lying scum or he's what he claims.

Good call :p

[Jack]

I don't see a reason not too. We already have two town power roles known (the scum already know who to shoot at).

[Jack]

Edrahil, town vanilla, elf.

"There were ten that stood by him; and the chief of them, who was named Edrahil, stooping lifted the crown and asked that it be given to a steward until Felagund's return." (Silmarillion, 170)

silmarill ability: motivate


I got a one-shot track from j-scope earlier and used it to track SpyreX to Anon.

[Jack]

Err, we could just jailkeep you.

[Jack]

That cookie looks amazing.

[Jack]

I'm not scummy.

[Jack]

Yeah, jailkeep me instead of killing me.

[Jack]

Game has a good chance of being over when we lynch starbuck. The elf mafia has a decent chance of only having 3 members--given that they can be revived. And probably the third is elscouta or ooba.

[Jack]

Why do we trust Meh again? We have some reason for thinking there isn't an SK?

[Jack]

There is no reason to shoot me.

[Jack]

Yes. Don't kill me.

[Jack]

SpyreX, jailkeep me. Starbuck scumflip + mafia kill + jailkept Jack = innocent jack.

[Jack]

Why are you so absolutely adamant on staying alive if you are vanilla?

Why am I bothering if I'm scum?

[Jack]

Well, Jack reaction screams scum to me.

Why is that?

[Jack]

Desperation. We have quite a lot of obv-town, why so worried ?

Simply doing my duty. I think my plan would work, so I proposed it. That is all. It is a mistake to read desperation into it. I am not desperate. I do not entirely believe that you are being honest with my when you say that my reaction screams scum however. That is something.

[Jack]

Kill:CyberBob

Hate to waste it this early; but it's for the good of the game.

I want to be a dayvig some day

[Jack]

Yay, we win!

Can't wait for all the details!

You vigged me. That means you lose

[Jack]

A lot of the scum gave themselves away by attacking obvtown Iec.

[Jack]

Oh, Jack -- what was up with the Cop claim? Was that the meta business I thought it was, or something else?

I was having trouble getting into the game. And I thought it would be funny if the mafia went back looking for it.

[Jack]

Oh, Jack -- what was up with the Cop claim? Was that the meta business I thought it was, or something else?

I was having trouble getting into the game. And I thought it would be funny if the mafia went back looking for it.

Oh. I thought you were making a clandestine reference to a perceived Cop crumb on my part in Greek mythology (the "innocent eyes" bit from that game). Which is part of why I was resistant to calling you scum over there. And I thought that mindset wouldn't fit unless you shared alignments in both games. So that was the basis of the Secret Towntell.

I guess I should've guessed I was overthinking it when I crumbed my having figured it out in GM and you didn't confirm it. XD

Lol. No, I had no idea about any of that. I thought your secret town tell was something about how obviously town I was acting this game