Mini 967 - Mafia War (Over)

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and happt birthday pman5595

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happy birthday katsuki as well, sorry I missed it.

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vote Amish_charney

for owning a pc and being an Amish at the same time.

@Katsuki: better late then never like most people.

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promote lurking=]

loving the plan you have there

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@me=Weird: I think it was more of a joke she (i'm going to go with she because the picture is of a girl) made.

Not that she needs me to defend her.

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Defending someone in page two. There is no reason for a town player to do that this early. Ever.

Attacking my post and then defending it makes no sense.

vote: Exemption

I was attacking your post and defending you.
As in you posted a bad post but not a scummy one.

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Is it just me or is the format of this page messed up?

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@stef sorry busy weekend.
I would like it noted that both sides of the discussion have not posted for a while though. Also horror as pretty much done nothing constructive so far so:

unvote, vote Horror

start playing the game please =]

actually no

unvote, vote Me=Wierd

I just looked at all your posts. You have voted for people in 3 out of the 6 posts you have made (double post and confirm not included). This along with calling Katsuki a good policy lynch make it seem to me like you are wanting a lynch fast. Also apart from the random vote you seem just to be using others arguments and not finding up your own. These are scummy.

I'm not to sure on what I think of Katsuki i think his defence has been acceptable but I'm getting more swayed by other peoples arguments against him.

oh and I think the way Empking's 7th and 8th posts are so long to get such a small reason across. I noticed that you were trying to make him slip up and get caught out, but it also seems like your trying to make your case stronger by posting something big and formatted clearly

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@stef: Who else has called Me=Weird up for being eager to vote? Yes he was accused for wanting a policy lynch but not for the way he himself votes. When I said I agreed with peoples reasons for going after Katsuki, clearly I was joining with other peoples arguments. It's not like you guys have missed anything I noticed though, but I wanted it know that I think he is scummy.

Also why would I lurk to let the heat drop? As you prove doing that hardly works does it. You just look like you were cowering to avoid having to get really defensive.

It is either a townie trying to do their job, or scum trying to look like town doing their job.

Isn't everything?

@Horror: What do you think of your random vote still being on me= weird?

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. Sure, they're something to look at after a scum flip, but at the same time, I know that it's my playstyle to defend people that I don't find scummy if they're under pressure. Maybe it's how he plays as well.

I don't think defending someone is scummy ether. As long as you can give valid reasons to why you think that person is town.

Oh and Me=Wierd what do you think of the band wagon building up on you?

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Exemption: Do you consider trying to format a post clearly as scummy? (Your eighth post)
Exemption: About Me=Weird. What's scummier wanting a quick lynch or parroting?

Man bad wording on my part there. I was talking about the way your post is set out like an interrogation. It is very lawyer like. Just seems to be set out in a way designed to make him slip up and contradict himself. Not that this would be a bad thing I just read through it quickly and thought that there was lots of reasons in your post then I looked closer and say that actually you were just making a few points but doing it in such a way that let you ask loads of questions not just one or two.

Wanting a quick lynch. He is a new player like me and sometimes finding reasons that are not spotted by more experienced player is hard. As long as he admits he is just agreeing with reasons pointed out by other players.

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It's on him because it seems to me that he is more bothered about lynching someone rather than who the person that get lynched is.

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Mod: Prod on zodiark13 please, it's been 5 days since his last post.

Sorry guys, have to help set up for horse show in a week.

Wait you have time to workout how long it has been since zodiark13 has posted but don't have enough time to post anything that comes close to a defence.

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Also why would I lurk to let the heat drop? As you prove doing that hardly works does it.

It works unless someone picks up on it and plenty of times someone can lurk to let the heat drop quite successfully, that is why I try not to let it happen in the games I play in.

Good good =] letting people get out of it that easy would only be bad.

Now... to address some other things:
@Soundwish, Exemption: Considering Me=Weird is at L-2, do you want him lynched?
Do you suspect anyone else considering there isn't only one scum in the game? If yes then who and why?

Yes I would want him lynched as I believe him to be scum

I suspect Horror and pman. Horror because of the lack scum hunting and the fact that when he was asked to do something (by stef) all he did was say someone was scummy because of someone else's case and use on of the reasons they had. Pman because of the way he got on the Me=Wierd wagon with not much explanation and the fact that he keeps on defending katsuki. Doing it once or twice is OK but going as far as saying that he must be town if Me=Wierd is scum is bad especially in a game with more than one scum group.

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sorry for no post in a while. revising hard atm.

Will post later tonight

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Right so since I was away Unsight has been found to be stopping a Me=lynch (Love how you can do that with his name.) To me it clearly looks like she doesn't want it to happen. Lets not go group hunting this early Stef but yes I would be inclined to believe that as well. Just depends if and what Me= flips as. I would not agree that you shot down his posts and am more inclined to agree with step on this argument. The way you just ask one person loads of questions annoys me. Doesn't really bring any of your own scum hunting to the table just makes other people do there own.

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EBWOP: "Why lynch Me=weird first and not unsight?"

because if they are both scum it doesn't matter the order. however if one of them is not then its likely that the other is not (Not guaranteed because of multi scum game). Personally I would much rather to have an active member like unsight alive than someone who has gone to a horse show ect.

ohh and just my opinion but I don't think unsight was lurking.

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Hmm good point. I'll go ether way on those two. Both will give us information. I do suspect some others still though.

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Shit it's deadline day gotta revise all today as tomorrow is my Further Maths exam.

So my opinions:

My top suspects would be:
Me=
Ac
Unsight

However if ether unsight or Me= flipped scum I would definitely very very hard about the other. That all being said I have hardly commented on the AC wagon yet. He really needs to learn to answer questions.

@ Empking why is the unsight case awfull?

Oh self vote well I think that is the icing on the cake of why we should lynch you.

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Vote Empking

Reasons given for AC vote are totally based on WIFOM. Either AC is indeed scum, or mafia NK'ed unsight to frame AC. Convenient way for mafia to frame a scummy-looking AC, and seems more like the later of the two possibilities I stated.

vote Katsuki

Lol what?

I'm sure he just stated that he was voting for him because of the reasons that were posted day one.

At soundwish is there any other reason that you think am scum? You just keep saying the same thing again and again

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... because of what happened D1 and between unsight and AC is what makes it WIFOM.

Ok maybe I was a bit harsh.
I still don't see it, any chance you could explain.

Repetition doesn't make it any less valid. And you haven't given me any reason to doubt my suspicion. The fact that you chose to attack the circumstances of my allegation rather than the allegation itself is noted.

I doesn't make the accusation less valid no. But it makes the amount of scum hunting you do less valid. All you have done for ages is just say about how you believe me and Deadjoker to have gotten on that band wagon opportunisticly (if you can even call someone with a random vote and one serious one a wagon). surely if you think I am scum there must be more than one dodgy thing I have said/done.

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I doesn't make the accusation less valid no. But it makes the amount of scum hunting you do less valid. All you have done for ages is just say about how you believe me and Deadjoker to have gotten on that band wagon opportunisticly (if you can even call someone with a random vote and one serious one a wagon). surely if you think I am scum there must be more than one dodgy thing I have said/done.

Well, lucky for you that I also find your current attempts to discredit my accusation by saying "all right, but what else have you got?" scummy.

And your point about whether you could call it a wagon is a bad one because your opportunistic vote makes it 3, which with 7 votes to lynch

is

a wagon of note.

More Exemption votes please.

Yer, so I would say I created the band wagon not joined it. I never said all right, I just didn't defend myself. The reason I started a band wagon on Me= was he seemed to want a quick lynch and was parroting reasons. I would not call this opportunistic as it put him under pressure to defend himself, which I believe he did not do well enough especially as he was town and should not be under the pressure of having to lie.

So what is your opinion on deadjoker now?

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@soundwish: what's the difference between attacking the circumstance instead of the point than attacking the newb part of newbscum rather than the scummy part?

So katsuki where's this wifom you were on about?

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@katsuki: cheers personally I don't think he was voting for AC just because Unsight died. I think he said more because he still believes him to be scum from yesterday.

Whats wrong with creating a bandwagon right at the start of the day? As long as there is not an immediate lynch. Putting pressure on someone that way would be good because you can see there reaction and how they defend themselves considering the night actions.

@soundwish: thats understandable I suppose.

@step: I noticed but it doesn't really surprise me, ive never played in a multiple scum game before but I reckon that would happen about 40% of the time.

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Sorry will be away for the weekend. Will be back late sunday.

Noted. Have fun!

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Right I am back now =]
First I will say that compared to my other game there is loads of activity here. Took me at least 5 times longer to catchup.

I normally would be annoyed that spyrex stopped the discussion between step and Horror. However it really did look like people were just using that as an excuse to not post on read through. Still I don't like the way Horror followed straight with what spyrex said. He seemed to completely leave his points a bit to much.

Still that's nothing compared to the way Katsukui seems to jump around the moment he is accused of doing anything. (the vote did seem very much like OMGUS)
Oh and why you not going to hammer someone after the self vote? To me unless you suddenly changed your mind on him. Which you did not state.
Also some of your defence is quite lacking in my opinion.

post 347 might not be what you actually said but you very heavily implied it Kat

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Hey empking just been looking through all your last posts and the last few don't include much more than just commenting on things and repeating questions. I know it's exam time (i'm having trouble finding time to post too) but your levels of lurking are really starting to make me wonder if you doing it on purpose?

FOS: empking

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@ Empking: I will agree your not the most scummiest, that is why I didn't vote for you. Just wondering if your hiding on purpose or not.

What bandwagons on scum would those be?
Also do you think horror, Spyrex, both or nether of them are scum?


tbh I don't like post 391 Seems quite a lot like 'hey who is it gonna be easier to get lynched?'

loving the music by the way, pity it's going to be in my head while I'm trying to revise in Library all day.

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Come to think about it, the point that scum would not so blatently come out to defend another. It does not change the fact that horror's arguments have been downright terrible though. In this case, spyrex may in fact be more likely scum than horror.

So why the fuck are you still voting for me? Seriously, you just hop from wagon to wagon in hopes that a lynch will eventually occur. Obv scum is obv... next time, try not to make it so obvious

Yes Katsuki that really doesn't make much sense at all.

oh and @empking any chance i could ask for a few reasons.

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only a draw, pity about green's mistake.

hmm it is very tempting I agree.

I think we should bring this day to a close soon.

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Tbh I would prefer a Kat lynch but anything would be good now. We just need something to happen. I'm not sure about AC tbh, he could be ether way I think. Not a fan of soundwish at all though. I'd put him second on my list after Kat.

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It's in the bookmarks option, however you have to go and bookmark all your games again.

My opinion hasn't changed lately and tbh i just really want this day over.

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VOTE: soundwish

hmmm with the latest suspicion that looks a bit bad I know but hey, I think the guy is scummy.
I don't know what to say about that idea, I can't really say anything about the way in which I have voted just that I thought they were the right lynches at the time. Hmmm looking back deadjoker does seem to be playing in a very similar way to the way he played in the game that we had together (he was scum then). I don't really like mete (I think that is the right word) cases though.

Right so back to soundwish

Apart from defending yourself recently what have you really done. You've said that you think I have been scum for a while now for the way you thought it was scummy me voting for me=weird. Also you said you were going to answer AC's post tomorrow. Tomorrow being 20 days ago. Yes I know we had a night phase in the middle, but I think this just sums you up. You do no scum hunting and you lurk. 2 things that make me think your scum.