Are you interested in arguing this? Why?Exilon wrote:How do you know that's what he thought? He never stated anywhere that he thought of protecting himself, and that isn't even possible.Excedrin wrote: He thinks that he could have protected himself, but he could still die if he was blocked and killed.
It makes sense if you read it the way I did. It doesn't otherwise. I explained how I read it and now you're asking me how I knew what he thought? Weird.
Dictionary Deprehensible I'm not sure if you're using it correctly, but that's not really important.Exilon wrote:I'm sorry, my bad. The correct word is "Deprehensible"; it basically meant that from reading only what you quoted, one could understand / graps / deduce / deprehend that I was talking about Red Star, not me.Excedrin wrote: I don't know what "deprehendable" means, but why do you apparently care if someone popped in and hammered? If the hammered player is town or scum, you get some solid info in either case.
1. What if the hammerer is stupid? Then their stupidity lets you get reads on other players based on reactions on the next day, who's pushing for their lynch etc. 2. Playing it safe is scummy.Exilon wrote:I do care if someone suddenly pops up and hammers, because that's cutting the day and the discussion short. What if that person is just outright stupid and hammered because he / she didn't notice that the person was at L1? Then we'd waste the next day and lynch a townie because he was stupid. Best to play it safe- nothing is harmed if a person holds the L1 vote. Of course, as I've stated, it isn't very likely, but it is a possiblity that has to be considered.
I asked, "why are you scared of hammering a potential townie?"Exilon wrote:How can you ask this from what I've written? I didn't imply neither of those, neither was that sentence about whether or not I suspected Red Star before or after the flip. I don't see where you're coming from here.Excedrin wrote:Also, does this imply that you thought Red Star was town before razorback's flip OR only that now you think Red Star is town?
You said, "I was talking about Red Star"
I interpreted this to mean you were worried about Red Star's lynch. I see now you were worried about Red Star hammering razorback.
You write huge posts without clearly saying, "I think X is scum (for 1.2.3) (and Y is town)." Example:Exilon wrote:You could answer my question with "no, that's not what I'm implying", and then explain yourself. Instead, you state that if you were to answer, you'd have to agree with the fact that you're implying "something".Excedrin wrote:Exilon wrote: My WHOLE point of view ends up as not being as solid and as needed in Day 1 as it would be, say, on later days. Also, it's not like I had been quiet all day long - far from it. I believe I made my view pretty clear during the course of the day, even. So why are you implying I haven't been stating my views?
That's your interpretation. To answer your question I'd have to agree that I'm implying something.
So let's see. My point was that you were implying I hadn't been stating my views, which isn't true. So my point ends up being that you were accusing me of something which isn't true.
You refuse to answer, because if you had to answer, you'd have to agree with me that you're implying "something". So, by what you're saying, you answer, in case it existed, wouldn't be a "no", it would be a "yes, I'm implying you haven't been stating your views" - which translates to "yes, I'm implying a fact that isn't true".
I'm confused. Some clarification would be most welcome.
I think Exilon is scum because he posts big posts that don't say much (see #111, #138, #169).
Did you post who you thought was scum on day 1 somewhere, which post? I see your ahoda vote (your only non-random vote, where you didn't specifically say that you thought he was scum) and an extremely wishywashy "maybe razorback is scum" post.
I didn't say anything about twilight. I'm saying that your views on who was scum or town on day 1 are pretty much unknown, but if you were town you'd have an interest in making sure that your thoughts were known before the day ended. Yes, at the least, everyone should post who they think is scum. Forcing scum to take a stand on some position prevents them from slipping under the radar. Reluctance to do so is scummy. Posting lots of "this is how you should play mafia" stuff, arguing about theory is scummy.Exilon wrote:Excedrin wrote:Eh, you can disagree about "how to play mafia" all day long, it does nothing to find scum. It's a great way to active lurk though.
Whoa... Another one?! I find it hard to believe that I am reading this the right way, but I have tried to read this from other ways and it just doesn't work...
By saying that "I disagree" with you, it means you believe, in fact, that EVERYONE should post their views at twilight because that same view might be lost during the night. Yet, you're contradicintg yourself - unless I missed your twilight post which contained all of your views. ...Wait. No, I didn't miss it. It's not there.
And by your logic, you should be asking that question ("werten't you afraid you'd be killed during the night"?) to the majority of the players here, since they also didn't post their whole views during twilight...
Have you heard of LaL? LaL is short for Lynch All Liars. LaL is a policy lynch. Policy lynches are not because you think someone is scum. The reasons you listed are:Exilon wrote:But explain to me, how does accusing a player of lying (razorback), pressuring him, and showing that same quote to another player (Horrordude) can be considered "avoiding attention from a mislynch" or even "defending his scumbuddy"?Excedrin wrote: The example you included from post #204 reads the same way. I noted it in my first post, except that now it looks like a subtle defense of your scumbuddy rather than scum trying to avoid suspicion after a mislynch.
1. he didn't answer my questions
2. he lied
That is effectively a policy lynch.
Where else did you post that you thought anyone was scum on day 1?Exilon wrote:Do you need reading glasses or skipped a fourth of my Day 1 posts? You're saying I never stated that I thought Razorback was scum except for my FoS post, which is a blatant lie.
If razorback could have answered your question, how would it reveal his alignment?Exilon wrote:Excedrin wrote:
I checked the posts where you mention razorback, there's a definite connection here.
#58 "Why is it rolefishing?"Explain to me how asking for clarification on something someone said and which I found wrong, specifically that question, translate to me being Razorback's scumbuddy.
Because you're attempting to persuade town that your scumbuddy's obvious scum behavior is excusable.Exilon wrote:Excedrin wrote: #80 razorback has been modkilled in the past and has a genuine non-scummy reason to be concerned with his self-preservationExplain to me how trying to consider all possibilities and the player's town / scum reasons and motivations translates to me being his scum partner.
It's paraphrased, that's how it reads to me.Exilon wrote:Excedrin wrote: #169 Razorback is just a floundering townie lol he can't voteDid I really say this?