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asking a lot of a), b), c) questions.Ligh wrote:What do you mean by "competition of numbering"
I never said it was bad. Its the boring way of finding scum.ten wrote: and why is it bad, in your opinion?
more possibilities of getting more information than a single wagon. Disagree?up wrote:Why have a counter wagon?
No and no., wrote:Does that not mean that neither wagon will receive enough votes to put significant pressure on a player? Doesn't this just derail both wagons?
Damm wrote:Why do you want to derail the izzy wagon?
I certainly have not said nothing to derail the izzy wagon. What makes you think that?
How can you be so sure its not going to succeed?it wrote:Furthermore, why do you want to start a wagon on richard that is not going to succeed?-
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@TSQ:
This paragraph system is way better.
Asking and answering is not a bad thing. Some people like it and Im pretty sure Ill do it at some point. But I find it extremely boring in comparison with voting analysis and scumtells, for example.
Tell me something. What valid conclusions regarding alignment can you get from the questions you asked to vas and me?
Regarding wagons. A random voting stage wagon is not going to pressure the people being voted, neither is going to get valuable reactions, specially when people vote Izzy just for the lulz. At this stage, and just at this stage, I think we should go in many different directions as possible, find something notable and then go all in.
Also, you are not wrong. Id like to believe I am not wrong either. We just have different point of views.-
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As I said, my problem with dahill is that I dont see what is the benefit of transmitting an unnecessary fact to the town, unless you are scum and are trying to exploit a potential bad post. I still ask myself that why dahilltown would point out to the rest that someone is antitown but not scummy. It just doesnt make sense in my head, if you dont think someone is scummy you simply dont attack him the way he did.
I maintain that this is by far the best we have. Will reread scotmany later and comment if I find something notable.-
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Kay, spent half an hour rereading the 13 pages and came out with a list of people that shouldnt make it to endgame, aka they should die asap. Feel free to answer:
-soragof:for not rereading the game and wasting time/faking interest talking about antitown vs scummy in page 13.
-Richardfor his dahill case that is more a "let me isolate him and find out everything I can find to push his lynch, even if its weak".
-Mipe. I strongly suspect his vote on me was a strategy for posteriorirty, aka framing me. His vote and quick unvote just dont make any sense. Posterior "why are you not looking at me" is wifomy but sounds fake.
-Springlullaby. Lurker and his attack on scotmany is terrible and oportunist.
-Dahill. Still suspect for the "wait, Did anyone else see this?" when there was nothing valuable to see. Posterior vasudeva vote also smells bad in the context of his wagon.
- All the lurkers unless they start contributing.
Getting mixed signs from vasudeva and quag. As pointed out before, vasudeva feels like he really wants to reinforce the idea of being new and town, which is scummy, but at the same time he is actually posting too much/ interacting and reacting to be a scumbaggo who for obv reasons would play it careful.
Now quag. Agressive and also active, but I dont understand how dahill has been productive. Care to share?-
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Do you guys know what the objective of a wagon is?
Lynch or get a claim. Unless the player that is being wagoned does something remarkably protown or someone else does something remarkably scummy.
Neither of these situations have happened. And I see no mipe claim. And while Id love to see him replaced or at least try to do something, these possibilities are more remote than me getting sex in a church.
So, claim plz so we stop wasting time, can decide weather to lynch you or to move on.-
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Mipe is one of these players that will never replace out and has a stupid playstyle that requieres extreme decisions.
If he is scum, we force him to fakeclaim. We can catch him in the claim or after the claim. The idea is to force him to come up with a decision as early as possible.
If he is town, well I dont plan on giving him more ideas of what to claim and what not. You can complete the equation.
The point is that I dont see him playing to at least have a better gasp of his alignment. He is basically a distraction that needs to be dealt asap. And since I think he is faking his easytargetness then I want this to be solved asap.Stats: W/L/D
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I think he is faking his playstyle.scotmany12 wrote:EBWOP: Why do you think mipe is scum.
Read his iso. Until iso8 he seems to be a regular player.
His unvote in iso8 is forced and fake. /oh look im so townie unvoting when my top suspect is at l-4
When people start looking at him, he starts behaving like lately.
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Or we could get a claim from mipe, specially when we are two days away from deadline.
Do people really think, shanba et al, that there is another viable wagon besides mipe and that the voters are going to look even at it without a claim or a lynch?
Specially when the guy HASTN done anything remarkably protown?
Come on-
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Information instead of Analysys. FOS.PaltryExcuse wrote:Anon wrote:Or we could get a claim from mipe, specially when we are two days away from deadline.
Do people really think, shanba et al, that there is another viable wagon besides mipe and that the voters are going to look even at it without a claim or a lynch?
Specially when the guy HASTN done anything remarkably protown?
Come on
I think this was a VT claim. I'm actually surprised this went so unnoticed.mipe wrote:My role is exactly the same as the one in the opening post, except it has 1 line more at the end.
PaltryExcuse wrote:@Mod: Maybe a deadline extension for replacements for Richard Massive and theo?
~Yes, Depending how long it takes to get a replacement(s)~@Mod: So, how long is our extension?
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QFT.Anon wrote:Or we could get a claim from mipe, specially when we are two days away from deadline.
Do people really think, shanba et al, that there is another viable wagon besides mipe and that the voters are going to look even at it without a claim or a lynch?
Specially when the guy HASTN done anything remarkably protown?
Come on
Also vanilla claim, gogogo lynch.-
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First, iso 1 looks too apologetic.
Not only his early posts (iso 3,4,5,6,7,10) are full of rhetoric and forced questions to appear active. He never develops his opinions/suspicions after having the answers. His only strong spect is basically mipe which is really hard to believe for a non VI townie like him in a large game day 1.
Then in iso 14, the post that caught my attention, he comments about the mipe claim without any new input. I would expect something like his iso 15, "your claim didnt don anything to convince me, diescumdie", or something like that, specially when he is locked in mipe scum. Iso 15 is also a forced opinion since he gave his explanation when I pointed his information instead of analysis.
Last question to Shanba is one another example of a rethoric and forced question. I dont see what does paltrytown could get with asking that question.-
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This.
Interesting facts
mipe - PaltryExcuse, VasudeVad, ksun482, sorasagoof, RichardGHP, FeFiFoFum (L-5)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2, Quagmire, korts (L-6)
ksun482- Shanba, dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe, iamausername (L-6)
Mipe has not done anything remarkable protown, yet his wagon is full of suspicious/neutral reads from my pov. Mipe can be town after all.
Richard has some interesting votes there. More importantly, Quagmire and korts voting together.
Its interesting to notice that despite ksun being pretty much a "die useless player die" lynch, there are a lot of decent reasoners on it. I think this talks a lot of the lack of decent scumhunting this game has had. Me included.
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Maybe I worded my question poorly.dahill1 wrote:
Like Vas. His recent behavior has totally made me change my mind on him.Anon wrote:
how does a newbtown act, dahill?dahill1 wrote:Eh I think it's a reasonable lynch. Even if he is a raw newbie as it seems, his behavior isn't what I'd expect out of a newbtown.
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Back from losing my internets, seems I didnt miss much. Still need a deep reread trying to understand why korts and soras were killed but...
...I think this is an extremely important votecount, before I voted ksun and the wagon that lynched him grew inmediately.Anon wrote:This.
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mipe - PaltryExcuse, VasudeVad, ksun482, sorasagoof, RichardGHP, FeFiFoFum (L-5)
RichardGHP- scotmany12, Mipe, Yosarian2, Quagmire, korts (L-6)
ksun482- Shanba, dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe, iamausername (L-6)
Some interesting points:
- Im pretty sure there one busser in the ksun482 wagon, which is bad news because that means we prob have one comptetent scumbag to hunt in the mix. (Shanba, dahill1, The Fonz, inHimshallibe, iamausername).
- The rest of scumbags are dispersed in the counterwagons, probably not voting together. Specially in the mipe wagon that was dismantled after deadline extension:
mipe - PaltryExcuse, Anon, VasudeVad, Korts, ksun482, sorasagoof, RichardGHP, inHimshallibe (L-3)
- Since there wasnt a really solid case against ksun, I think some scumbags were stuck in the mipe wagon since they voted him early. That is, one or two of (PaltryExcuse, VasudeVad, ksun482, sorasagoof, RichardGHP, FeFiFoFum). Ksun is already dead scum so we have prob one more scum to hunt in this list.
I still want to lynch PaltryExcuse. All his day 1 before I attack him is scummy as hell. I mean, look at the security he has to vote mipe for these reasons:
too.weak.stance is not logical with him being so sure about mipe being scum. Gogogogo scumlynch.paltry wrote:mipe - Played bandwagon-y and scummy, and participated more before he was targetted and then lost all interest in playing afterwards. His attempt to scumhunt against Richard seems foolhardy, and a bit town. However, his early play still convinces me to keep my vote where it is.
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First, screwing around, specially in early pages, is not a scumtell in my book. Second, mipe did something that caught my attention. In my iso 10, I posted this.iam wrote:So why does ksun not get the same treatment?
For obvious reasons, these players albeit similiar playstyles, did not get the same treatment from my pov. I had a null read on ksun while I had a scum read on mipe.Anon wrote:- Mipe. I strongly suspect his strange vote on me was a strategy for posteriorirty, aka framing me. His vote and quick unvote just dont make any sense. Posterior "why are you not looking at me" is wifomy but sounds fake.
Because first, dahill is still in my scum spectrum and his ksun voting looked suspicious to me, and when I voted ksun I still had a null, useless read on him. I still maintain what I said in my iso24:iam wrote:If he wants ksun lynched, why is he grilling dahill about his vote?Anon wrote:Its interesting to notice that despite ksun being pretty much a "die useless player die" lynch, there are a lot of decent reasoners on it.
Yep, there was some bussing there and I never said EVERYONE voting ksun was good and everyone voting mipe is suspect. Yes, my reason to vote ksun was that the mipe wagon was generally stinking and that the wagon I felt more comfortable joining was the ksun wagon despite me having a null read on him. I still maintain that despite the overall townie feeling of the wagon, there is one experienced scumbag hidden in the ksun wagon.iam wrote:So, his reason for voting ksun is that everyone voting mipe is suspect, wheras everyone voting ksun is good, but then after ksun flips scum, he turns around and says "definitely some bussing going on there". I really have trouble seeing that as a product of good intentions.
I dont get what are the bad intentions here, when "one scum in the wagon" its just a logical conclusion of a day 1 wagon that lynched scum based on non conclusive scumtells.
In other news:
Why exactly is Paltry still alive?Stats: W/L/D
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I finally got my internetzzz and my life back so the game can stop now stalling when there is yeah, fonzie, three votes on me and almost half of the playerlist needing massive prodding.
but hey, maybe Im just too awesome. So game, REVIVE NOW, I COMMAND YOU!!111one
First of all, have you at least read this or tell me what in my answers dont you like?
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First, screwing around, specially in early pages, is not a scumtell in my book. Second, mipe did something that caught my attention. In my iso 10, I posted this.iam wrote:So why does ksun not get the same treatment?
For obvious reasons, these players albeit similiar playstyles, did not get the same treatment from my pov. I had a null read on ksun while I had a scum read on mipe.Anon wrote:- Mipe. I strongly suspect his strange vote on me was a strategy for posteriorirty, aka framing me. His vote and quick unvote just dont make any sense. Posterior "why are you not looking at me" is wifomy but sounds fake.
Because first, dahill is still in my scum spectrum and his ksun voting looked suspicious to me, and when I voted ksun I still had a null, useless read on him. I still maintain what I said in my iso24:iam wrote:If he wants ksun lynched, why is he grilling dahill about his vote?Anon wrote:Its interesting to notice that despite ksun being pretty much a "die useless player die" lynch, there are a lot of decent reasoners on it.
Yep, there was some bussing there and I never said EVERYONE voting ksun was good and everyone voting mipe is suspect. Yes, my reason to vote ksun was that the mipe wagon was generally stinking and that the wagon I felt more comfortable joining was the ksun wagon despite me having a null read on him. I still maintain that despite the overall townie feeling of the wagon, there is one experienced scumbag hidden in the ksun wagon.iam wrote:So, his reason for voting ksun is that everyone voting mipe is suspect, wheras everyone voting ksun is good, but then after ksun flips scum, he turns around and says "definitely some bussing going on there". I really have trouble seeing that as a product of good intentions.
I dont get what are the bad intentions here, when "one scum in the wagon" its just a logical conclusion of a day 1 wagon that lynched scum based on non conclusive scumtells.Stats: W/L/D
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While Deathnote searches for my replacement, Id go ahead and say that Vasudeva is prob town, mostly for day 1 massive interactions with shea. The guy is not scared of answering.
I def think Richard is more likely to hit scumbag. And Paltry but nobody listens.
Unvote Vote: Richard.
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fonz started the unvote wagon and you blatantly tried to direct my kill.Mr. Chaos wrote:
Interesting. Any reason Zoraster and Shanba are not included in this?Anon wrote:Chaos and Fonzie are also prob town for reaction to my claim.
it might also help the prob town read I had from both of you before these events.Stats: W/L/D
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Which is strange because mipe wasnt that obvscum as some are trying to paint.The Fonz wrote:Paltry still looks to me like the least scummy person on mipe due to actually finding him scummy.
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Scot, no.
This is what I said about ksun.
Anon wrote:I wouldnt mind getting rid of ksun either.
Ksun was an aceptable day 1 lynch. But I still maintain that he was a "die useless player die" lynch. Thats why I find it strange that some people found him suspicious despite him only doing silly stuff.Anon wrote:Its interesting to notice that despite ksun being pretty much a "die useless player die" lynch, there are a lot of decent reasoners on it. I think this talks a lot of the lack of decent scumhunting this game has had. Me included.
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At first glance, Id say Richard's is prob a fakeclaim. Specially for the use of TOWN in the role claim and the odd "need a vc to check if I should claim" post.
In the case Im wrong, it doesnt hurt to let him alive a couple of days to see if he can get something notable.
As I suspected, there is nothing in Fonzie's reasoning to clear Paltry since scum could very well be genuine when attacking a likely nonscum lynch like mipe. I still want to have Paltry in a hole full of blood and bad things.
Since the guy asked replacement, I need to do my homework and start finding out why I dont like Shanba. But in the meantime:
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Well, I have a case against him since day 1 that involves.., Ill just quote it instead.
Sometimes scumbags arent that obvious.Anon wrote:First, iso 1 looks too apologetic.
Not only his early posts (iso 3,4,5,6,7,10) are full of rhetoric and forced questions to appear active. He never develops his opinions/suspicions after having the answers. His only strong spect is basically mipe which is really hard to believe for a non VI townie like him in a large game day 1.
Then in iso 14, the post that caught my attention, he comments about the mipe claim without any new input. I would expect something like his iso 15, "your claim didnt don anything to convince me, diescumdie", or something like that, specially when he is locked in mipe scum. Iso 15 is also a forced opinion since he gave his explanation when I pointed his information instead of analysis.
Last question to Shanba is one another example of a rethoric and forced question. I dont see what does paltrytown could get with asking that question.Stats: W/L/D
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My point was that its odd when someone makes that type of posts: "Ill go check if Im at range claim or not" since you could as well decide if you should claim or not without posting that.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
In context of stupid newb town, rigidly sticking to "rules" like "don't claim 'till you're at L-1" is not odd. Also, I don't think the "Town" thing is relevent, since I'm guessing he just copied and pasted his role from his role PM and good mods make it clear to power roles the faction they're aligned with in their role PMs in order to avoid confusion.Anon wrote:At first glance, Id say Richard's is prob a fakeclaim. Specially for the use of TOWN in the role claim and the odd "need a vc to check if I should claim" post.
Also why are you assuming things and answering for Richard?
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Well, yeah, partially because we have different ways of catching our scumbags. Ive been succesfulish with this type of players that spend all day 1 asking questions to appear active and locking up to a very likely easy target.
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Obvious reasons can be summarized in wanting Paltry dead since freaking day 1.The Fonz wrote:
What the hell? Maybe because he flaked about a month ago?RichardGHP wrote:@iamusername: Why no vote?
@Nacho: Could you explain why you arestronglyopposed to a scot lynch? I can see why you could find other people scummier, but I find it tricky to see how anyone could find scot especiallytownish.
Likewise, Anon, what are the obvious reasons?
Hey, odd or even doctor, whatever night we are on, Im counting on you for protection.
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Anon Mafia Scum
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TOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNdahill1 wrote:Okay so I was wrong about Cove, but he was a Serial Killer..not mafia. So how does that make me scum? I still support a Scot lynch since Cove being a SK doesn't change much on him.]
SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMRichardGHP wrote:Let's see where this takes us. I'd say there isn't more than 1 or 2 scum left, so we can afford the mislynch. And since this is where the town seems to be going...
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Anon Mafia Scum
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