Mini 971: Princess bride - They all lived .......

[Parama]

[generic confirm message here]

[Parama]

Someone RVS vote me so I can OMGUS.

[Parama]

I wish I had popcorn.

vote: animorpherv1

FoS: SPS, ekiM

[Parama]

Yay miller claims.
I enjoy miller claims D1. They are better than miller claims after a cop gets guilty on someone.

[Parama]

FOS: DDD

I found all the scum. Sens, DDD and Parama.

You're not me bro

[Parama]

the game
you just lost it

Also

unvote, vote: Jack

Obligatory.

[Parama]

On millers: Better to claim Day 1 than to claim after a cop has gotten a guilty on you. Scenario A won't get you lynched, Scenario B most likely will.

[Parama]

Yes well we can worry about that later. Right now we scumhunt.

...
I need to scumhunt, brb.

[Parama]

Well KMD we wasted most of a page on the miller claim and Sens wanted to play Lynch the Miller and people are wagoning him and probably one of the Sens votes is scum just from a gut feeling but I'm waiting for more posts before I decide who.

But I do like my vote for now especially with the way Jack's been acting.

[Parama]

vote:SensFan

Will support quicklynch.

We only need three more votes to lynch Sens.

Look at all the wonderful reasoning behind his posts - he's pushing a Sens lynch without actually doing a damn thing - he hasn't even given a reason to vote Sens yet he's encouraging everyone else to do it.

[Parama]

Mmk. We can continue to have our differences. That's about as good of a case as I can make based on his 3 posts in-thread thus far.

[Parama]

KMD: see my sig

[Parama]

go to profile options, look for the "Show Signatures in Topic" option, check "Yes"

[Parama]

Meta sucks. Stop using it.

[Parama]

Okay sure, I'm still not listening to meta arguments regardless of how many you use.

[Parama]

Okay, this has officially turned into a distraction.
Let's get back to the point.
Jack: What are your good reasons for lynching Sensfan?

[Parama]

So, Parama. He asks people to vote him at the start so he can OMGUS. That's removing information about whom he chooses to go after. "Let's not worry about the miller claim, we should scumhunt" then... doesn't scumhunt. And spams a page arguing about meta. Fine with this vote.

Oh dear god.
Asking for votes so I can OMGUS = RVS FFS.
And yes, ignoring miller claims for now is a good idea. Look how distracting they are.
And I didn't want to spam a page arguing about meta but since nobody agrees with me, it happened.
Find real reasons to vote please, instead of trying to hold onto an RVS vote.

[Parama]

Wait why the hell didn't I

unvote, vote: ekiM

in my previous post?
*derp*

[Parama]

So, Parama. He asks people to vote him at the start so he can OMGUS. That's removing information about whom he chooses to go after. "Let's not worry about the miller claim, we should scumhunt" then... doesn't scumhunt. And spams a page arguing about meta. Fine with this vote.

Oh dear god.
Asking for votes so I can OMGUS = RVS FFS.
And yes, ignoring miller claims for now is a good idea. Look how distracting they are.
And I didn't want to spam a page arguing about meta but since nobody agrees with me, it happened.
Find real reasons to vote please, instead of trying to hold onto an RVS vote.

reaching for reasons to hold onto an RVS vote ofc

[Parama]

@CKD: Sens is trying to act within his meta, but failing. I've played with him before, and he is acting different.

Renaming mafia of Sens, Parama & ML.

So you're ekiM's buddy, nice to know. Who's the third scum?

[Parama]

Wait I forgot it's usually a good idea for scum to put one of their buddies on their scumlist.

So the scum are Sens, Ani, ekiM then.

unvote, vote: SensFan

GG guys.

[Parama]

@CKD: Sens is trying to act within his meta, but failing. I've played with him before, and he is acting different.

what exactly is he doing that is different?

Specifically? Self voting. I've never, ever seen him self vote. Also, not pursuing the Miller lynch to the end of the day.

Miller lynching is lulzy and a waste of time. He shouldn't have voted for the claim in the first place, and he realized this after the fact.

[Parama]

Unvote, Vote Sens

Other scum are Shovel and ekiM.

No, Ani and ekiM.

[Parama]

Wow.
That was way too short of a day.

[Parama]

Wow.
That was way too short of a day.

[Parama]

You sound like a pleasant guy to play with. Just kidding.

[Parama]

People tend to not like people who ragequit games for no reason.

[Parama]

I'm talking about this game.

[Parama]

Parama, would you nightkill ani as scum?

As prone to random acts of anti-towniness, I'd certainly keep him alive for a while.

But this is a silly question. The scum here is obvious.

vote: ekiM

.

[Parama]

Is there a good reason for asking a stance on me?

[Parama]

reaching for reasons to hold onto an RVS vote ofc

Weak. Why would scum have incentive to hold onto a random vote?

Still an open question.[/quote]
They can't find a better reason to vote so they make stuff up to hold onto the only vote they can.

The scum here is obvious.

vote: ekiM

.

Make a case that doesn't involve "holding onto a random vote".[/quote]
Too bad.

[Parama]

ML, here's why my point is better than you think it is:

So, Parama. He asks people to vote him at the start so he can OMGUS. That's removing information about whom he chooses to go after. "Let's not worry about the miller claim, we should scumhunt" then... doesn't scumhunt. And spams a page arguing about meta. Fine with this vote.

1. Doesn't even consider that it was an RVS vote
2. Accuses me of not scumhunting even though I was and am scumhunting
3. Didn't spam a page - others started the argument after I brought it up, and it's an argument I've had 100 times and am tired of. Stupid reason

Look at how BS his reasons to vote me are. There's really nothing there.
And this is all the content he provides D1 (I admit, it was short, but still...)

And then in ISO 4 he calls my vote on him OMGUS even though I provided plenty of reasoning to vote him (the same reasoning I

restated

here).

[Parama]

They can't find a better reason to vote so they make stuff up to hold onto the only vote they can.

Why is scum any more likely to do this than town?

Scum need reasons to push a lynch, regardless of their quality. Their goal is to lynch townies.
And you think townies would make up fake reasons? Pssh.

[Parama]

*headdesk*
If you agree with fail logic then I have no reason to be arguing with you, because you will just miss the point.

[Parama]

It's incriminating me because of things I didn't do myself. The obvious issue there should be obvious, obviously.

[Parama]

If you think I'm active lurking then you obviously don't understand my logic.

[Parama]

ekiM, your reasons are ones that *look* good on paper but when you really analyze them they're full of crap logic and are completely false. Those are the types reasons that scum use, btw.

[Parama]

Parama just kind of hopped on. Not in an RVS way, but in a bandwagon-near-lynch kind of way. This actually has me rethinking my stances on Parama, Steam, and ekiM.

There was no reason to vote someone who obviously wasn't going to be lynched D1. So I bandwagoned because nobody would listen. I bet if we lynch ekiM he'll flip scum and I'll have been on two scum wagons instead of just one.

[Parama]

Are you advocating a ekim lynch parama? Your vote says otherwise.

Um. I'm voting ekiM.
...

[Parama]

Hey guys, a revelation: ekiM is scum.

[Parama]

"I bandwagoned because nobody would listen"... so it wasn't because you suspected him?

Yup. It was a pure bandwagon vote. I only do those when there's no point in doing otherwise.

[Parama]

Why was there no point in doing otherwise? Why would you think the day was effectively over at that point?

You're acting like I hammered him. I just put him closer to lynch, I didn't hammer him. Plus pressure never hurts. But yeah tbh I had no reason to suspect Sens. It's fun watching you get so hung up on this, trying to find any reason at all to find me suspicious

[Parama]

There was no logic on the wagon and yet it continued to grow. That's why it was inevitable.

[Parama]

Yes. Yes.

[Parama]

The fact of the matter is, I'm just being honest <3

[Parama]

Then you're completely missing the point.

[Parama]

Nameclaim: Westley

Go away. Stop talking about me. Lynch ekiM. I don't care, accusations against me are stupid.

[Parama]

I don't screw around, and I don't feel like arguing with you people right now.

[Parama]

If someone ccs my nameclaim then that makes them a real idiot, so I don't see why you wouldn't believe it.

[Parama]

Well yeah, it's either a safe claim or a real claim. Name-claiming Westley does not automatically clear you, Parama, if that's what are you're thinking.

I never said it did.

[Parama]

I never said it did.

[Parama]

Parama said that he got onto the Sens wagon yesterday despite thinking there was no reason behind it. I think maybe people are noticing this less because Sens flipped scum, but remember the mafia wouldn't know Sens wasn't a townie. If you asked someone why they wagoned a townie and they said "Well, I had no reason to suspect them, actually I thought their wagon was full of shit, but I thought I'd just hop on anyway rather than try to stop it"... that's pretty damn scummy. There is no town reasons to act like that. It doesn't matter than Sens flipped SK, the way Parama joined the wagon was really scummy and I don't really get why it's not getting much attention.

Like I said, just being honest.

His refusing to explain basically anything and saying "suspecting me is just dumb" "if you vote me you're stupid" doesn't help at all, nor does his unprompted name claim. Actually that makes it worse to me because he seems to have no explanation to give and is just waving those around instead.

It's more that there's no good reason to suspect me, if you actually pay attention.

[Parama]

I don't feel threatened, I want you people to stop being wrong.

[Parama]

I've already done A, and I would be doing more B but nobody is listening to the scumhunting I've already done.

Yes, I am barely playing this game at all. This game is boring as hell. But I don't replace out of games except for policy reasons.

What town motivation was there for anyone joining the Sens wagon?
I already explained the case on you.
I don't care about everybody else at the moment. Yes, I am tunneling. Deal with it.

[Parama]

If I've been scumhunting and it's been genuine then there's no reason to suspect me. I'm pretty sure I went over that already.

[Parama]

Because there's no reason to lynch me, of course.

[Parama]

I've already made an ekiM case and it's the lynching I'm sticking with today. There's not much else to do, this game is kinda boring. If people aren't voting ekiM then there's nothing I can do to move this game forward.

I could totally retype up my ekiM case in a single post but I doubt that would be worth my time.

[Parama]

Also that is INCREDIBLY hypocritical coming from you.

[Parama]

Vote count

Parama (1) ekiM, Kmd4390

Not voting:

with 10 alive it will take 6 to lynch
Deadline is June 7, 8:40am

YAY FOR MATH
Kmd you're voteless?

inb4spammingthethread

Fixed.

[Parama]

CKD this is day 2 if you didn't get the memo

[Parama]

Role related reasons have never failed me before.

unvote, vote: DDD

I'm convinced.

[Parama]

And now... INB4BANDWAGONACCUSATIONS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Parama]

Yeah I'm bussing <3

Also I was starting to reread everybody in ISO but I only have 2 people done right now and I doubt I'll finish before night starts so

[Parama]

"Role-related information" is a clever way of saying "I really think so-and-so is scum and I want you guys to lynch him."

[Parama]

"Role-related information" is a clever way of saying "I really think so-and-so is scum and I want you guys to lynch him."

How did you

know

this Parama?

See PYP3 where Fate claimed role-related information on 2 or 3 players without having anything of the sort (he was in fact a bomb). I've never seen "role-related" information being used literally.

DDD's argument is meta but ekiM is also the scum with DDD

unvote, vote: ekiM

someone call me out for bandwagoning please, I'd love it

[Parama]

Guys, Parama is clearly the best lynch today.

For scum, yes.

[Parama]

Oh cool I'm a doublevoter now thanks farside.
Also I'm going to stop being lazy and actually finish up my rereads today.

[Parama]

CKD is most definitely town .-.

[Parama]

I'm still tunneling on ekiM if you didn't figure it out.

[Parama]

If I unvoted first, would you be happy to join it?

Also did you ever get the feeling that your reads are wrong?

[Parama]

Why aren't there more ekiM votes?

Fixed

[Parama]

SPS is right though .-. ekiM is a good lynch and deadline lynches ARE lame.

Hmm... Kmd just might be scum. I'll have to edit my notes (which are coming soon hopefully <.< I am lazy as hell)

[Parama]

Like I said, CKD is town and SPS is not a good lynch. Why don't you guys listen to me?

[Parama]

Horror's not on the ekiM wagon anymore.
JOIN US, JACK.

[Parama]

The only lynch I will be happy with at this point is ekiM's.

I am tunneling, yes.

[Parama]

Mmk I finally finished those read things. Did the best parts all in one sitting.

Separated into separate posts so each player has an easier time responding.

CKD:

I believe the Miller claim, that being said I have seen Kubai Khan (sp?) do the exact same thing as scum....so by claiming Miller, most likely menas ML wont see the end of game. But that was just the luck of the draw, claiming miller was the right move (if he really is a miller). ML is not the lynch today....however, that isnt a pass for the whole game (but you should know that).

This is an excuse to go back and lynch the miller claim later while leaving them alive today. I don't like this sort of thing, leaving yourself open to a lynch based solely on a claim.

Sens is useless...I have never been in a game with him that he was anything but. Was hoping that his time away from mafiascum his playstyle had changed. But no...lurky (in other games)....gets replaced out of games only to sign up for new ones...and now a self vote.

all that aside, do i think Sensscum would self vote? Yeah...i think he would. Just as much as I think he would as town.

I am fine with my vote right now.....

This argument is purely meta, and though it did lead to a scum lynch there's no reason in and of itself that meta justifies a vote on Sens.

also Sens, why are you avoiding your "policy lynch" of claimed millers?

and what about your policy of miller lynches?...why the change in this game?

Is this really that big of a deal? Seems like a meta thing, and he self-voted to ragequit anyways.

in the same way you "evaluated" everyone, could you do the same for yourself?

I don't see how this is a fair question... at all.

ekim...thanks, was curious what you would say about yourself when your "contributions" were on the same level as others you listed as "almost nothing"

Well what do you expect someone to say when you ask such an unfair question? How is someone supposed to properly evaluate oneself? Don't you expect that they'll think they're playing rather pro-town?
This just looks like an excuse to find something scummy since all you did D1 was push a Sens lynch.

Screw it, Parama can wait a day.

Unvote, Vote DDD

why wait a day?

Why not wait a day? Or five? <_<

there is no reason (especially after the events of yesterday AND the night kill) that you should say Para doesn’t need a wagon

You say this which implies you'd be fine with voting/wagoning me yet you do no such thing. Shouldn't your vote be on me if this is your conclusion?

There does seem to be a lot of genuine confusion on ckd's part though - misreading and correcting, thinking it's D1 when it's D2 etc. And genuine confusion tends to be a towntell.

Late addition: Godfather possibility aside, he’s town if SPS is town and still likely town if SPS is lying. (crazy theory for that second one that I can’t quite explain)

[Parama]

Wolf:

could also be a scum gambit though. Hard to tell one way or the other right now.

Trying to put doubt into the minds of townies... do not like. There's no reason not to believe a D1 miller claim - it doesn't detract or add to scumhunting anyways.

I'm gonna say that was a frustrated townie self hammer, I hope I am wrong though.

Scum would know this (though well Sens was SK but town as far as the mafia are concerned)

I like ekim's post, his last on specifically, getting good town vibes from him.

Which parts of the post? What points? This is incredibly vague and unhelpful.

I can see ekim's claim against you bv310. Ekim may have posted less, but he had one real good post out of his 4 that day here.

Your 6 posts were as ekim put were not "game relevant" other then your RVS vote.

Buddy up to ekiM more please. "ekiM is my god" NOPE NOT BUYING IT

Overall sporadic posting and seems fairly noncomittal as well, not liking wolf much.

Late: Replaced by CMAR who also hasn’t done a damn thing yet.

[Parama]

Kmd:

FoS Mac

for claiming to vote "semi" randomly. I think he's scum, but ekiM is scummier.

Gives a reason ML could be scum, doesn’t give one for ekiM, yet votes ekiM over ML. Classic FoS: Scumbuddy, Vote: Townie maneuver? Well that assumes ekiM isn’t scum though so <_<

What is scummy about Jack's play?

Still not seeing JackScum.

Here he asks about my read on Jack and give his own but doesn’t provide reasons other than “meta”. Weak.

ekiM, however, is legitimately scummy trying to stay in the background by jumping the main wagon and contributing to the popular joke.

Oh good he gave a reason, 9 posts after his vote.
And then there’s an awesome case in the next post. d(‘’d)

Unvote, Vote Parama

I trust VC Analysis TM over my reads.

Wait what happened to

Dear Town,

After we lynch ekiM, and the scum kill me tonight, I have a final request. My wish is that you guys lynch Steam-Powered Shovel tomorrow. Don't mourn the loss of me as I've grown ill and would be likely to pass soon anyway. Due to this illness, I've become very aware of the strong value of human life, including lives of those who have made bad choices. However, I must make an exception in Steam's case. The reason for this is that Steam, along with his partner in crime, ekiM, is guilty of conspiracy for murder and a takeover of our wonderful town. I believe in justice and will gladly give my own life for what is right. Do not let these murderer scumbags get away with this wrong doing. Be strong and do what is right after my death. I will be here for the remainder of the day to see to it that ekiM sees the gallows by nightfall.

Yours Truly,

Kmd.

You make great points about ekiM, then pull away because… vote count analysis? *headdesk*

Screw it, Parama can wait a day.

Unvote, Vote DDD

Just wondering, are you voting randomly now?

Why isn't Parama dead yet?

Unvote, Vote Parama

Guys, Parama is clearly the best lynch today.

Hey guys if you didn’t noticed Kmd hasn’t actually made any sort of case on me, his only reason is voting patterns.

Which I have found to be generally less useful than actual scumhunting.
So he’s not scumhunting. Neato.

Yeah Kmd just makes no sense at all, I can’t get a read because he’s just as likely town as scum but I hate how he’s stopped mentioning ekiM entirely after dedicating most of his long posts to ekiM.

Late:

Unvote, Vote Shovel

I hate this vote. He’s now more scummy than townie. Just… no. This was basically a bandwagon vote in order to draw out a claim. (see: horrordude but with an actual vote)

[Parama]

SPS:

Still like my Paramavote. Wolframnhart, with me!

Yay RVS. Asking someone else to vote with you during RVS is just as bad as asking someone to vote with you during any other time in the game though.

Parama, would you nightkill ani as scum?

Let's

vote: wolframnhart

.

First line is total WIFOM!
Second is total random voting! ...on day 2.

I think you're misinterpreting me; I don't think Parama is innocent, I just don't think he stands out. I see no reason to wagon Parama over wolf. And I ask both as town and as scum (I do it as scum because I know I do it as town).

Do you see a reason to wagon wolf, then? Do tell, because you really haven’t mentioned anything about him yet.

I don't like ekiM's part in the exchange between him and Parama at the bottom of page 9. Why wait so long with the vote? It's fairly clear where it's going and if Parama had suddenly decided to deny it, that would be genuinely suspicious. ekiM seems more concerned about looking justified in voting for Parama here.

Unvote, vote: ekiM

Guys, this is exactly the point of my posts on page 9 and throughout the game. I’m just flat-out telling the truth – yes, the truth may not be what you guys want to hear, but it’s better than lying. And SPS has picked up on that. And sees why ekiM is scum. He’s a pretty cool guy in that way.

Yay for role-related reasons!

Unvote, vote: DDD

That's L-1. Claim, DDD.

This just looks like a post to force a claim.

Overall SPS could also go both ways. But since he brings up a point I was trying to make against ekiM he’s getting town points from me.

Late addition: Cop claim. If he’s cop CKD is clear as well. And I believe him. Idiots trying to outguess the flavor need to hang. Glad to know I was right before he even claimed.

[Parama]

bvdude:

bv says basically nothing for all of D1. Great.
His only informative post (ISO 6) makes great points. And then he disappears forever.
Horror replaces in…

Debonair Danny DiPietro - Getting a scum read here. He has a total of 13 posts in a 12 page game, and I'm not seeing a lot of content. I also don't like the fact that he's trying to divert attention away from the Sens lynch wagon. Sure it was a self hammer, but there's usually

some

info you can get from the wagon, no? Thinking there's a scumbuddy there with him.

DDD, Requesting a claim.

1. Giving a reason that could apply to his slot for lynching DDD
2. Trying to draw out a claim.
3. Not voting on the wagon he's requesting a claim from

Yeah this is not a good combination to start on.

I think CKD is scum.

So why aren't you voting him?

Vote: Jack

Lazy reasoning alert

We still have another 4 days before lynch, Shovel... why are you trying to rush this?

Requesting a claim from you.

YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN.
1. Requests claim
2. Doesn't vote or even FoS SPS

Just seems like he's trying to draw out all the claims... DO NOT WANT.

FoS: Horrordude

for now, I'm not voting until this entire series of posts is written up.

lolwat? All I did was request a claim!

Without finding SPS suspicious at all, yes.

Oh look, there’s the flavor speculation. Yeah that’s terrible.

Because I'm totally pro-town and lynching me would NOT be in your best interest

Waste of a post.

All I ask is that you let me claim, and then lynch someone else.

Waste of a post.

I wasn't paying attention before but I am totally seeing this wagon now. Could easily be a horror/ekiM team.

[Parama]

ML:

By the way, I'm a miller. I love milling. I mill the hell out of all the shit I can get my hands on. I will name claim if requested by a majority of players, or if someone gives me some compelling reason to do so.

Immediate miller claims are more pro-town than miller claims AFTER a cop has guilty on you, and there IS a claimed cop in this game so I'm inclined to believe this. The people who pushed for a policy lynch of a miller claim are just idiots.

Shovel, yesterday you were asking wolframnhart to follow you onto Para. Now you're voting for wolf. What, if anything has changed?

I often ask people to join me in bandwagonning early on in the game. There's no longer a Paramawagon and I see no particular reason to recreate one.

I was totally going to ask ekiM's question first, and I don't believe it's satisfactorily answered yet. Why ask wnh specifically for the follow?

Don't exactly like this buddying up to ekiM. Knowing my read on him... yeah this isn't exactly something I approve of.

They can't find a better reason to vote so they make stuff up to hold onto the only vote they can.

Why is scum any more likely to do this than town?

Trying to blow a valid point off as WIFOM, aren't we? Bad.

Parama, I actually have no problem with the reasons ekiM stated in terms of his vote on you. They're completely reasonable, in my opinion.

Oh really. You've never commented on them, and for all I know you don't even know them. This is more buddying and you seem to have no reasons of your own to suspect me other than that I am suspecting ekiM.

The recent ekiM-Parama debate convinces me to

Unvote. Vote: Parama

.

And you're not even going to comment on any of it or acknowledge what's being said. You're totally ekiM's buddy, aren't you?

If someone ccs my nameclaim then that makes them a real idiot, so I don't see why you wouldn't believe it.

Yeah, that. Laying it on a bit thick, I think.

Unvote. Vote: Shovel

.

Um. Reasons? I know you've said stuff in the past but you didn't seem to have genuine suspicion... and now you're changing without a reason either.

This turn of events does not surprise me.

Unvote. Vote: DDD

.

wagon wagon wagon wagon wagon
When have you even MENTIONED DDD before? You haven't! You're not even going to question Jack's claimed info?

Why aren't there more Shovel votes?

BWAHAHAHA you're not voting Shovel at the time you say this. Way to push a lynch without actually being on it.

I considered Jack but I knew I wouldn't be able to breadcrumb an "Innocent"-result on Jack.

Yes, what does this mean?

Unvote. Vote: horror

Jack, you need to start providing actual content tomorrow.

What does any of this post have to do with horror? Why are you just bandwagon while acting like giving content?

Also, we're quickly approaching deadline, and I find the ekiM wagon to be pretty awful. I haven't seen a real reason for anybody to be on it, expect for DDD's. (I understand DDD's stance on ekiM, but do not agree with it. I was actually scumbuddies with ekiM in the referenced Muppets game, so I see where DDD is coming from, but I do think there is a difference in the play.) Uncountered claimed cop SPS is not the play today. That means you, horror.

buddy buddy buddy buddy

Holy crap why haven't I been paying attention to this guy? ML is almost certainly scum. Screw his claim, I won’t believe it for a second longer.

FoS: MacavityLock

. Like I said, vote coming later.

[Parama]

Jack:
ISOs 1-3 are pushing a Sens RVS wagon. Good wagon, bad reasons. But then again knowing Jack it's just his m- *gets shot for approaching meta territory*

Heck, rest of D1 is more of the same. There's no content though - he's basically active lurking.

fos:ekiM

Vote:DDD

4 more votes please.

Yes, thanks for all the helpful information. Oh wait

bv not scumhunting is null tell. Who are you going to vote for now?

META
AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY A BAD ONE

DDD is scum because:

a) weird dancing around the sens wagon in iso 1,2,3. His first comment on the game is to object to lynching sens, but he is just fine with l-1...this is his only input on the day. This is mafioso wanting the lynch to happen.

b) Next is his "town lean on mike, parama is MUCH more likely to be scum, I'll vote a lurker" vote from day 2. "tut tut we must force him to scumhunt" when DDD hasn't done jack himself.

c) Finally in ISO 8 he finds a reason to stick with his bv vote, he is clearly scum just settling down

I waited around to see what he'd do, answer is nothing.

HE POSTED CONTENT! IT'S A MIRACLE!
And look this is a solid case. +town points
Though point 2 is fairly hypocritical <.<

I think DDD is guilty for role related reasons. Lynch him please.

The best reason. Except it's kinda a lie.

ISO 27 = good questions. Don't like his read on ML, especially with no reasons behind it.

I think CKD is scum.

Thanks for letting us know.

I don't feel like I have strong reads.

Work on improving them then? <_< That's kinda what I'm doing here.

His horror case is definitely his best and I agree with most of it even though he's only 3rd on my suspicions list.

The doubt of SPS's claim seems honest, can't exactly fault him for it though I don't agree with it.

Anyways I can never read this guy, this game is no exception. Jack makes good cases but rarely posts relevant content... lots of pushing lynches for no reason (I have been on the receiving end of this before <_<)

And yes I am being incredibly snide in this read. I can’t help it. Jack’s earned it

[Parama]

DDD:

Are you implying that you would be ok with 1 more vote? Since you specifically object to 2 more votes but say nothing about 1 more vote.

Since there is a functional difference of dead (2 votes) versus not dead (1 vote), yes.

Then vote Sens maybe? If you're okay with 1 more vote you can do it yourself y'know.

I’ve got a town lean on Mike right now, I’m reading his efforts as being in good faith. Conversely, I think the person in opposition to him (Parama) is much more likely to be scum. I like the little content I’ve seen from KMD as well, but I’m naturally more suspicious of him because he’s capable of deluding himself into thinking other people are scum even when he’s scum himself. Most everyone else currently blends into a mush of people I’ve not played with before and don’t stand out at all.

Not playing with someone =/= good reason to ignore them.
Also you find me scum solely because I'm opposing ekiM?
And then you allow yourself to doubt your Kmd read based on meta. Mmk that's not okay.

"town lean on mike" but his efforts are in good faith. I don't think scum's efforts are ever in good faith in a 1 scum game (which this now is).

Only a town lean on mike though, and parama is "much more likely to be scum".

Umm, I think Mike's efforts at scumhunting are in good faith; thus I think he's likely town. I'm not sure what the issue is here.

Care to point out these efforts? Or are you just going to add words without evidence in order to not prove a point you're trying to push?

vote bv? Not scumhunting? Have you played with bv before?

Once, he actually tried that game as town before flaking, this time he hasn't even done that.

Revenge of bad meta reasons. Wow. You could pay more attention to what's being done exclusively in-thread and it would help you find scum better.

Correction, I just realized I've played two games with him; I was referencing a newbie game where I believe that summary fits. There was also Quiz Show Mafia, but that had rather different rules from a conventional mafia game.

And this is relevant?

DDD, what is your stance on the Parama-ekiM fracas?

I still think Mike is town, but I'm now inclined to believe its a town/town fight. Mostly because Mike noted Parama's ridiculous rate of posting which even when its low content I find scum have a general disinclination to do.

Bad reason to pull away... and if ekiM said this then you're continuing to buddy up to his reasoning. Do not want. DO NOT WANT.

DDD is scum because:

a) weird dancing around the sens wagon in iso 1,2,3. His first comment on the game is to object to lynching sens, but he is just fine with l-1...this is his only input on the day. This is mafioso wanting the lynch to happen.

You were fine with L-1 as well, hypocrite.

But... Jack ASKED the question. And you're completely missing the point. Jack didn't care if it was L-1 or a lynch. You cared only if it was a lynch but not L-1. Pay attention please.

I waited around to see what he'd do, answer is

nothing

scumhunt.

FTFW.

Cite examples of scumhunting from your part prior to this post that weren't based off meta or off of things ekiM has said. I certainly can't find any.

Parama do you plan on doing anything today other than blithely asserting that you're not scum and pointing back at the beginning of the day as some tour de force implicating Mike as scum and revealing you as town?

Wait for it... wait for it... OH LOOK I JUST POSTED 8 WALLS OF TEXT.

And now... INB4BANDWAGONACCUSATIONS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Unvote; Vote: Parama

Just because you try to make a joke of it doesn't mean that you haven't lazily jumped on the wagon spawned by a lunatic with no results or bad results of some sort to try and lynch a townie.

What happened to your town read? Are you going to switch to another popular target in order to get the wagon off you? That's scummy.

I didn't lie, but I'm more interested in Parama and SPS at the moment, explain why later.

You should add Mike to the list (though this conflicts with Parama unless extreme bussing has occurred) because he's seen me get called out by a paranoid cop in Second String Muppets before when I was town. He was scum and completely dropped his town read of me to play follow the cop, just like this game.

Now you're copping out of your ekiM read. Did you suddenly crack under pressure and now everyone is scum to you? Looks that way.

Unvote; Vote: ekiM

Game is stagnating and Mike should die for so casually tossing aside his read to play follow the alleged power role, put those two together and Mike needs more votes.

What the hell happened to your reads? Why haven't you given a good reason to change?
(side-note: I approve of the vote even if I don't approve of the reasons for it )

I've gone from thinking Parama is scum to a [insult redacted] who will jump on any bandwagon at this point. I was also waiting to see if Mike could explain his actions which seemed extremely scummy to me. Mike has not done so and that game has stagnated over the weekend and thus the best course of action is to bandwagon the scummiest player.

1. I'm pushing a wagon that nobody else approves of. This is bandwagoning how?
2. Earlier you liked ekiM's actions. Now you're backtracking and saying they're scummy. Um. What.

So yeah DDD is another of those rather scummy people, except there's lots of contradictions here. Not liking those at all. And there's hypocrisy too.

FoS: DDD

[Parama]

ekiM:
(the moment you’ve all been waiting for)

So, Parama. He asks people to vote him at the start so he can OMGUS. That's removing information about whom he chooses to go after. "Let's not worry about the miller claim, we should scumhunt" then... doesn't scumhunt. And spams a page arguing about meta. Fine with this vote.

Reaching for reasons to hold onto a vote. I've been over this before. This is just terrible.

bv310

- The only game relevant thing he did yesterday in 6 posts was make a random vote.

DDD

- Asked why he should vote Sensfan.

Steam-Powered Shovel

- Said almost nothing.

wolframnhart

- Said almost nothing. Ho hum.

Vote: bv310

. Say something.

Calls out 4 people for saying nothing... and only waits for a response from one. Pretty weak. That's basically "lynch all lurkers".

Also, from the same post.

Parama

- Reactive in RVS. Made 27 posts and said about three non-trivial things. Votes for me because I voted for him. Yippee.

He throws off my case as me OMGUS voting. This is blatant misrep and he's obviously not even paying attention to my reasons.

Shovel, yesterday you were asking wolframnhart to follow you onto Para. Now you're voting for wolf. What, if anything has changed?

Seeming like he wants to turn the town against me but doesn't vote himself and doesn't give much real reasoning. He wants others to make the case for him.

ISO 6 he makes a wall about how he finds me scummy and then proceeds to hold onto his bv vote. Um, hello? Did you lose your brain? Did you have it in the first place?

As for your logic, it goes something like this:

• ekiM's reasons for suspecting me are terrible.
  
• Scum are more likely to suspect for terrible reasons.
  
• => ekiM is likely scum.

Oversimplifying my logic - he doesn't understand it (it's not too difficult to grasp) so he tries to blow it off as worthless. He also accuses me of active lurking even though I'm certainly scumhunting.

Next post is more of the same - still blowing off my reasons as "worthless"

ISO 10-12: He completely misses the point. He's singling me out for a vote that I admit was bandwagoning... while most votes on the wagon were nothing more than that, though several players would try to cover that up. And he finally votes me because of this one little thing, not everything else. Reaching for reasons more? I'm just being truthful - I don't have to lie to make a good case.

Jack's a competent player so I doubt he's a townie making a mistake. I don't see a scum motivation for coming out like that to take out one guy. I don't see any particular reason to believe DDD to be town.

Unvote; Vote: DDD

.

"blah blah blah Parama is scum guys blah blah blah oh hey the DDD wagon is taking off I'm going to appeal to Jack and join it."
Did you see any particular reason to believe DDD to be scum? You didn't give any and you haven't done so prior to this post.

MacavityLock

- Feel he's town.

Parama

- Still a good lynch.

....

horrordude0215/bv310

- bv310 total lurker. And horrordude is not making me think town. Question for you: if you don't think there's a need to rush the end of the day, why did you ask for a claim from SPS before someone was willing to hammer him?

Hmm.

Unvote; Vote: horrordude0215

.

3 things to point out.
1. Lack of willingness to comment on ML. Just gives town read with no reasons and little mention of him all game.
2. More pushing of my lynch... he's not voting me anymore, if he supports my lynch then he should be on it.
3. Gives the most reason for the wagon being built up - just an excuse to wagon with Jack again. Why are you buddying Jack so much, anyways?

Oh wow, good point. Shovel what were you thinking Jack was doing then when you followed him?

Answer your own question too. I want your response to this question.

There's just nothing to make me feel he's town and plenty leading me to believe he's scum. Add to the fact that he's extreme distancing from ML (the other scummiest player) and guys I think we've found our team!
Seriously, I ctrl+f'ed his entire ISO and found about 7 mentions of ML in all.

[Parama]

Vote stays of course.

HoS: MacavityLock

because I don’t have two votes.
Scumlist:
ekiM-MacavityLock (the actual scum)
horror
DDD
Kmd

Mod: I'm going to be V/LA from 6/6 to 6/9.

[Parama]

You gave me town points throughout your post. You FoS me at the end. Paying attention?

[Parama]

Debonair Danny DiPietro - Getting a scum read here. He has a total of 13 posts in a 12 page game, and I'm not seeing a lot of content. I also don't like the fact that he's trying to divert attention away from the Sens lynch wagon. Sure it was a self hammer, but there's usually

some

info you can get from the wagon, no? Thinking there's a scumbuddy there with him.

DDD, Requesting a claim.

1. Giving a reason that could apply to his slot for lynching DDD
2. Trying to draw out a claim.
3. Not voting on the wagon he's requesting a claim from

Yeah this is not a good combination to start on.

1. I found him scummy... your point?
2. He was at L-1, I found him scummy, so I asked for a claim.
3. What part of

L-1

do you not understand? And it was always my understanding that you don't request a claim unless you're not on the wagon.

If he's at L-1 you could express your suspicion in a different way than by merely asking for a claim. A posted FoS would've been fine.
And it seems like all you cared about was the claim.

We still have another 4 days before lynch, Shovel... why are you trying to rush this?

Requesting a claim from you.

YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN.
1. Requests claim
2. Doesn't vote or even FoS SPS

My requesting a claim from him was me FoSing him. Again, though, he was at L-1, so voting him would be a lynch. Are you really that dumb?[/quote]
And again all you cared about was the claim.

lolwat? All I did was request a claim!

Without finding SPS suspicious at all, yes.

Generally, when someone asks you to claim, it means that you're suspicious of them.[/quote]
That's not implied by "please claim"
For instance:
Horrordude, I want you to claim.

Does that say "I find you suspicious" at all? NOPE.

Oh look, there’s the flavor speculation. Yeah that’s terrible.

Yeah, YOU explain how the Grandfather makes ANY sense as a Cop. Then get back to me.[/quote]
Does it matter? Flavor speculation = worthless. Someone brought up earlier a game where the little boy was a SK. How does that make sense? Get back to me once you figure it out.

See my point?

I wasn't paying attention before but I am totally seeing this wagon now.

Reading the thread is tech. You should do it some time.[/quote]
I was busy. If you look at my posts you can see why. Obviously I am reading, I just wasn't expressing it.

[Parama]

Also ekiM, you're here, mind responding to my post?

[Parama]

CMAR, I see no question directed at me.

Horror, I have no way to verify that, and it's meta. Regardless of whether it's true it's still a cop-out from giving real suspicions so I'm not buying it.

Notice how I still want ekiM and ML lynched over you. Your thoughts on both those players would be appreciated, by the way.

Hell, I want everyone's opinion on ML. He's been going unnoticed all game and he's also scum so that's not a good combination.

[Parama]

Parama, a couple of weeks ago you had a hissy fit and stopped responding to anything. I'm not going to do the same you, but please actually respond to what I said here:

I'm not responding when the whole argument against me makes no sense and you're failing to respond properly.

As for the points you raised in your last few posts:

Saying "Yes, I have been acting in a blatantly anti-town way, aren't I honest for admitting that?" doesn't somehow make it OK.

Also I'd love to hear from someone how voting for someone at the end of a conversation is a scumtell.

I'll admit to screwing up because I have nothing to hide.
And it's not simply voting me at the end, it's your reasons and the fact that you waited so goddamn long to vote me.

No, you've stopped responding and engaged sulky-child mode when you can't think of why this is actually scummy. See the top of this post.

No, you just can't think up a good explanation. Get over it. I know when someone is reaching, and your post is just that.

It's pretty obvious I want more content from all of them.

Then why did you vote one over the other 3?

No, I listened to you reasons and critiqued them. Eventually you stopped responding and started whining instead. SEE ABOVE.

This is completely irrelevant to the point I raised.

This from you is what reaching actually looks like, by the way, making up bizarre contrived scummy motivations for stuff that has a much simpler explanation.

I'm working out what the most likely explanation for each scenario is.

It's possible to suspect more than one person at once. It's possible to have more than one person you want to apply pressure to.

You're awfully insulting for no good reason. I shan't respond in kind, but I'd ask you to can it. It adds nothing.

I'm sorry, when scum makes themselves so obvious yet nobody seems to care I get pretty pissed.

You realize you haven't actually responded here, right? If you think that's not the logic of your position, EXPLAIN WHAT YOUR POSITION IS.

I explained my logic first, THEN you simplified it. And I went over it again in 402. You're just not even trying to respond to it.

Supporting a wagon you totally don't agree with and previous argued against for no reason whatsoever is amazingly scummy. Saying "Yes, I did that. Aren't I honest?" doesn't change that, at all.

It doesn't change what I did, but I'm admitting to a mistake. The point about oversimplifying my logic is a mistake you're not willing to admit to, so you keep pushing it. That's how I know I'm right.

"Reaching"... you keep using that word...

I keep using it because it keeps applying.

Because Jack claimed to have role related info for believing him to be scum. Duh?

And you believed him without a second thought? Did you ever stop to question him?
(Note: I knew he was lying but I voted anyways because I knew Jack had reason to find him suspicious and I tend to trust the reads of my townish reads. Plus nobody was switching to ekiM anyways :/)

1. He's not done anything I think is scummy and I agree with most of what he says.

Examples?

2. It's possible to suspect more than one person at once.

But you appear to be suspecting me the most out of everyone, yet your vote is in a different place.

3. I'm voting for horrordude because I suspect him.

You suspect me too, so why aren't you voting me? This contradicts your last point.

You realize your whole case for ML being scum is predicated on me being scum? Circular logic much?

You totally missed my ML case then. It's not based solely on you being scum. If you somehow manage to flip town I'd still want a ML lynch.

[Parama]

It's not a valid point. I still don't understand why a scum is any more likely to hold onto a random vote than a townie would.

They're not actually scumhunting, they don't feel like coming up with good "real" reasons to suspect someone so they hold on to what they've already got in hopes to push a lynch without much effort.

Yup, really. I think your case on ekiM is crap, a case which I was thinking makes you scummy. Also, you admitted bandwagoning an "inevitable wagon" for the sake of being on the wagon. It's ridiculous.

Calling a case "crap" does nothing to disprove it. At all.
And yes, thank you, I did admit to bandwagoning. Can anyone else on the wagon truthfully claim their vote wasn't a bandwagon?

My comment was my vote.

But you didn't state explicitly why the argument made me look like scum to you.

I was actually agreeing with you here. Saying outright that you believe a name claim doesn't make any sense to me, unless you want to telegraph that you think that name-claimer is telling the truth. I could see two reasons for that, and not many more:
1) A cop breadcrumbing an innocent.
2) A scum who wants townie points ("Look guys, I totally thought that Parama was town, and he was! I was right!")

I was questioning your SPS vote.

Actually, I did mention DDD. I voted for him in my first vote of the day, very obviously following Jack. I figured based on Jack's early vote that Jack actually did have role-related info on DDD, I followed him early, and when he claimed the info, I clearly believed him. Read my isos 9 and 17 please.

That's not your own suspicion, that's following someone else's suspicion for no real reason.

Why aren't there more Shovel votes?

BWAHAHAHA you're not voting Shovel at the time you say this. Way to push a lynch without actually being on it.

Um, yes I was. Check my isos 18 and 19.

My fault I missed the vote.

I considered Jack but I knew I wouldn't be able to breadcrumb an "Innocent"-result on Jack.

Yes, what does this mean?

Unvote. Vote: horror

Jack, you need to start providing actual content tomorrow.

What does any of this post have to do with horror? Why are you just bandwagon while acting like giving content?

Explained immediately after in my iso 22.

Why didn't you have it at the time of your vote though? You can come up with reasons when you place a vote, too.

[Parama]

Not much time to post right now, just going to say that ML is keeping his cool under pressure while ekiM is getting incredibly pissed and is attacking me directly instead of my case, which is not the reaction of a townie to a good case. So ekiM is definitely still top of the priority list.

[Parama]

The case is good though .-.

[Parama]

Also

Horrordude (4) Jack, ekiM, Kmd4390

I just can't get on this wagon.

And what if I told you that I can confirm if Horror is telling the truth or not, if you give it a night?

[Parama]

If you know anything about the film at all, the flavor makes perfect sense. Don't think there's a botched claim anywhere in there.

[Parama]

Movie plot: Prince Humperdink is trying to get the Princess to marry him, but the Princess is in love with Westley and tries to escape from the Prince. So the claim really does make sense.

At least that's what I remember it being. I've only seen it once but that seems about right :/

[Parama]

I could fullclaim and explain to you why Horror's claim is almost certainly true but I'm not going to do that.

ekiM, it's scummy because you built up all these arguments prior to the conversation yet in the end you were just paying lip service without acting upon it. And then after a conversation over one minor point you vote. It's like you were just waiting for a chance to jump on me but you couldn't find a good one.

Also ekiM please stop directly attacking me. Ad hominem does not make for good town play.

[Parama]

Would you be willing to lynch yourself, CMAR? <____<

[Parama]

Parama, can you confirm alignment or just the fact that horror is who he claims to be in terms of role?

I can confirm who he claims to be, and that + the flavor in my role PM leads me to believe he's town if the claim is true <_<

[Parama]

*headdesk*

^all the content you'll be getting from me until Wednesday night

[Parama]

I think I would rather

unvote

vote: ekiM

*sigh*

[Parama]

WHOOPS DEADLINE PASSED AND I'M NOT CHANGING MY VOTE ANYWAYS. NOT THAT I NEED TO. I BET WE JUST LYNCHED THE MOST POWERFUL TOWN ROLE ON ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING. OR WE LYNCHED SCUM AND MY ML/EKIM THEORY IS WRONG. IF DDD FLIPS SCUM EKIM IS STILL SCUM THOUGH.

Okay, done with the caps for now.

[Parama]

Horror is indeed the princess, I can confirm it.

[Parama]

Oh and

vote: ekiM

[Parama]

Because it means we're not lynching horror <_<

[Parama]

Also, I'm basically a VT at this point - I have an investigation every night and I can check to see if a player is the prince or the princess. Since the prince is dead, and I've found the princess, might as well be a VT at this point.
Also, somewhat irrelevant but I believe I was RBed N1. Either that or I got a negative result. The flavor was kinda confusing But it doesn't matter anymore so yeah.

[Parama]

*looks at goon flip*
*looks at flavor name*

[Parama]

Fezzik is a good guy.

Doesn't start that way
Same could be said about Inigo too, I guess.
Meh, flavor.
SPS, can you paraphrase the roleblock message you received?

[Parama]

The block and the vote are unrelated methinks.

[Parama]

So you're not going to even consider an ekiM vote? I know you're town Jack but you really think I'm scum?
Random WIFOM time!
If I was scum with DDD, why did I jump on the wagon when it first formed without giving a real reason?
If I was scum with DDD, why wouldn't I have voted him when I posted right around deadline? Scum would love the bussing points, I'd think.

Yes these are WIFOM. But really, there's no good answer to these questions.

[Parama]

*sigh*

[Parama]

Okay, if you want to impress me with your logic, explain why those two couldn't have anything but a scum motive behind them.

[Parama]

And only 3 to lynch ekiM!

[Parama]

Meta is fail.
Also if you really care I love hammering so I tend to be late on lots of wagons.

[Parama]

Oh I guess farside was just being lazy last night then, I had a movie quote N1 for what I believe is a roleblock.

[Parama]

derp ignore my RB comments

[Parama]

Vote: Jack

Seriously, your play has been so anti-town it's God awful.

Jack is town. Stop failing.

(why you ask? He lead two DDD wagons. I really don't think scum would pull off one player to jump onto another player that happens to be scum as well.)

[Parama]

Okay, fail phrasing.
Why would scum pull away from a wagon likely to go through to lynch in order to bus a buddy to a lynch? Makes no sense. I can only see a townie doing that.

[Parama]

Mod: V/LA 6/13-6/14

[Parama]

I'm not buddying. Jack is town. If you don't see why, get a brain. Or read. Because I said why <____<

Jack is town but he's being dumb.

[Parama]

Parama should give a full and complete claim in detail. Especially whether he had info on whether rolename is correlated with alignment. What do you mean "ignore my RB comments"? Why? Who did you target N1 and why didn't you say so yet?

If you missed it, I already fullclaimed.

[Parama]

1. No
2. I misread my role PM
3. wolf, he was neither and it's irrelevant

[Parama]

Checking back in. Don't feel like looking for the 3rd scum until after parama is lynched.

Lynching me won't help find any scum
Also why do you think there's 3 scum? We already have a dead SK and a dead goon, 9:2:1 would make sense. Not saying that it's guaranteed to be that but it seems more likely than 8:3:1

[Parama]

Yup.

[Parama]

I figured from the flavor and the dichotomy that Prince = scum and Princess = town.

[Parama]

Massclaim would be a-ok with me. I mean, we already have 2 dead PRs and 3 more claimed ones alive.

[Parama]

Quick thought: what do people think about massclaim today?

Don't think it will help, but I have no problem claiming.
I still like Jack's pressure on Parama

So you're voting me for pressure purposes and not because you find me scummy?

[Parama]

What buddying?
And your only comment on the WIFOM was a crappy meta argument.

[Parama]

No, I have a town read on Jack and I said I had a town read on Jack. Is there a problem with that?
WIFOM isn't cool either but I was bored so I used it. Wheeeee

[Parama]

Okay, that dichotomy you set up is completely unfair considering Jack is obvtown.

Why aren't we lynching ekiM

[Parama]

I didn't make the setup, and I didn't make my role. So don't blame me for it. That's all my role does.

[Parama]

Or a pissed off townie.

[Parama]

If I'm not lynched today then we don't waste a day lynching me.

[Parama]

I'm not even going to waste my own time then.

/notpostinganymore

[Parama]

I'm not going to argue with idiots.

[Parama]

Hammering me would be an act of mercy.

[Parama]

I'm not the moron who brought setup WIFOM into play, you moron.

I STILL WANT AN EKIM LYNCH BTW

[Parama]

Well, it starts with the fact that I'm not scum, continues with the fact that I almost guarantee horror is town by my role info so he's being dumb by voting me, and ends with the fact that ekiM is scum.

[Parama]

ML - My role tells me that horror is the princess but with the flavor from my role PM + his claim I can only assume he's town.

And I was being sincere in my capslock post that we're arguing about.

[Parama]

Mini 911
Mini 944
Mafia 112

Mini 950 and Mini 968 are games where I was SK if you want them

Also you can't meta me if that's what you're trying to do

[Parama]

Mini 968 doesn't exist though

[Parama]

I never played that game, I just listed it because you asked. But I wasn't really "playing" that game.

[Parama]

Kmd was the one who asked.

[Parama]

Because I wasn't trying at all in that game

[Parama]

Obviously posting 9 walls of text analyzing every player is not enough to satisfy horror's definition of "trying."
I've done a lot more than you have btw.

[Parama]

Well obviously nobody is willing to unvote and vote ekiM like they should be doing, so what the hell am I supposed to do?

[Parama]

Stop playing the "Woe is me, everyone else is a dumbass" card. It's sad.

Yeah but it's true.

If ekiM isn't scum (there's about .001% chance of this) then CMAR is next in line. Hell, if there's 2 scum left then both are scum but ekiM still needs to die first.

[Parama]

My vote's not moving.

[Parama]

Mod: CMAR is due for a prod

[Parama]

ekiM what do the first two quotes have to do with the third? I was talking about Jack in the first two, not you, so

[Parama]

At the point you vote hopped, it was tied at 3-3. I KNOW what you're implying but it's wrong.

[Parama]

Reread the rules really quick because I wasn't sure if that was mentioned or not:

19) In the event of a tie the person who placed the first vote on person who the vote is tied with will be lynched

This is confusing as hell.

Mod, can you explain Rule 19? Or reword it?

I will admit that it seems like the same thing ekiM is saying but I have no clue what this rule is implying. It reads kinda like "the first person to place a vote on either lynchee is the one lynched instead", which is silly

[Parama]

unvote

I want CMAR to be replaced (he seems to have flaked from the site - got replaced in another game) and then I want to hear from a replacement because right now he's at L-1 and I at least want a claim before the hammer.

[Parama]

Screw.
This.

vote: CMAR

'night everyone

[Parama]

okay I feel this is obvious but that's just me

vote: SPS

[Parama]

unvote

You claimed at all? I must've missed it :/

[Parama]

Westley, Hero
Limited namecop, can only find the prince and the princess
N1: wolf is neither
N2: horror is princess
N3: I scanned ekiM for lulz and

didn't get a PM from the mod at all

(note to mod)

[Parama]

horror that doesn't mean I can't scan for lulz
especially since it told me you were "a princess" which doesn't leave out the possibility of multiple princesses though I don't think there was more than one princess in the film...

[Parama]

Wow I totally forgot about that.
I don't think the massclaim helps us much, everyone who was unclaimed claimed VT <.<

[Parama]

Technically I'm also Dread Pirate Roberts so

[Parama]

Reference frames suck.

[Parama]

Hey Jack I'm pretty sure ML is town unless ML felt the need to do random bussing when an easy mislynch was at L-1.

[Parama]

You were quite sure I was scum too <.<

[Parama]

Jack: obvtown
ML: obvtown
ekiM: Neutral
horror: scummish but he has a claim that fits really well with my role PM's flavor
SPS: scummish

[Parama]

I think DDD is guilty for role related reasons. Lynch him please.

Jack, this was a lie. Explain.

I agree with Jack that this is really really stupid.

[Parama]

Because it convinces people to vote for a person easier

I'd do it if I were Jack

[Parama]

EBWOP: If you had the choice between typing up a huge wall to prove someone as scum or simply say "role-related information", which would you choose?

[Parama]

Okay, you are terribly inefficient.

[Parama]

The same reason you're town, pulling away from an easy mislynch in favor of a scum lynch.

[Parama]

Jack is my hero.

But he's wrong.

[Parama]

lol that's only the third time ever that I've been prodded

Vote: SPS

dead game is dead

[Parama]

Same. There's really not much to do except lynch SPS for our perfect game.

[Parama]

Let's just lynch SPS and get this game over with.

[Parama]

But why do we want to mislynch and ruin our perfect game?

[Parama]

Oh my god. This is silly. Can we just lynch SPS and call it gg?

[Parama]

ZOMG WIFOM

is the only response I can think of

[Parama]

Is there any way I can convince you Shovel voters to switch to Jack?

Definitely not.

[Parama]

Is this game balanced without a cop on the town's side?

I think so.. depends what a swordsman is.

My theory: swordsman is a name cop similar to my role. He can find the names of Rugen and someone else but I don't know who. At least, that was the first thing I thought when I saw ckd's flip.

[Parama]

Hey farside, today is the 15th.

[Parama]

Perfect game, wheeee.

[Parama]

P.S. Parama, you suck.

P.S. What did you mean by this?

[Parama]

I asked you to not just cry WIFOM but engage the question and what do you do? You cry WIFOM and fail to engage the question.

Yes, I was being ironic. I did not do as you told me to. Nobody had issues with it, it seems.

[Parama]

Wow, someone's bitter.

[Parama]

*the entire game kinda sucked
D1 was active, most of the rest of the game was plagued by a lack of activity with brief periods of active posting

Or so I recall.