SOAP #4
May 20, 2010
I looked over KageLord, pops, and horror in isolation. Here's are my conclusions. But first, to pops...
horrordude0215 wrote:What do you want me to do, parrot everything that people say?
No, but you can at least give your thoughts. If you have none, then I say that you aren't very useful to the town. Let's see the points Excedrin mentions:
1. Analysis of what happened during debate between Excedrin and Exilon
2. His opinions on who is scummy
3. More talk about stuff to look for that would indicate if someone was scum
4. Not saying my case was weak to pressure KageLord; gives reasons
5. Vote for horror
Out of these, you only responded to #5 (and a bit on #2 and #3, but mostly as they applied to you).
My vote preference based on who I think is most likely scum would be:
---Scummiest---
1. KageLord
2. horrordude0215
3. popsofctown
My vote preference based on usefulness of that person to the town/how much I like their posts would be:
---Least useful---
1. popsofctown
2. horrordude0215
3. KageLord
(actually, Red Star would be on the list, but I don't want to vote for him.)
Brief case for each one:
KageLord: His posts himself were not bad; in fact, his defense seemed pretty good to me. He seemed a bit defensive at first, denying that he was scum even though hardly anyone had mentioned it. I disagree with some of his reasoning, such as his statement that mafia would not bus razorback early. But he himself would probably not get a vote for me.
I look at kelikar's posts and I find some connections between him and razorback. He seems to give advice to razor at least twice. Razor responded one post to him that seemed to apologize for his bad behavior. I also didn't like kelikar's reasoning quite a bit. He did not post that much when razorback vs. Red Star really got heavy (he was V/LA).
horrordude0215: I can't find much of a connection between him and razorback. The closest I can find is in razor's post 152, and even then it isn't that great.
razorback wrote:
horrordude0215 wrote:
Skerterg, I really like your post up there... but something I noticed: All of your post numbers are via the thread. Do you know about looking at someone in isolation? Go to the bottom of the page, where it says Display post from previous: Use the second drop down menu and choose the person you want to iso... you'll get all of their game posts... I think it might be useful to you.
Although, I'm not to sure I agree with you labeling ahoda as the scummiest player... even you admit that it might just be frustration. Why, even though both he and Kranix have done nothing in the form of scumhunting, did you label him as scum and give a neutral on Kranix?
And @razor... Your posts are really difficult to read... if you could spell check/use better grammar it would be much appreciated.
yes i'll get on that as soon as i can
However, his votes come rather quick. He jumped from ahoda to pops, then to razorback. Note that razorback is the one where he parks his vote, and he turned out scum (however, this can also be attributed because razorback was acting very poorly and was indeed a detriment to the town). I think it is possible horrordude0215 bussed razorback, though the tie is not as strong as KageLord/kelikar's. Now, on day 2, he continues to move his vote around. He voted for Excedrin, then saw him as innocent, then voted for him again. He voted for me because of my lack of suspicion for him. He FOS'd popsofctown and Red Star, with an "intent-vote" on pops. Overall, he stretches his suspicions everywhere. I think this is more likely scum behavior, because the scum knows that everyone else is town and therefore is less likely to stick to one person as scum (since he knows that person is not scum). True, his votes usually come early, and he does present reasons (though sometimes I disagree with them), which may indicate it is his style to do this. He also didn't address some points Excedrin and I asked him to address.
Also, a note: I'm pretty sure Excedrin was just pressuring you. Lots of his arguments did seem to contradict themselves; I'm sure even he will admit to it. Now, it may be because he was posting all his thoughts at once and didn't have time to reorganize them, but I think horror pointed out some valid flaws.
popsofctown: Now, from his posts alone I can't gather too much, but that's because he doesn't post very much. His vote on ahoda may seem scummy, but in fact he was right. Leafsnail/ahoda flipped town, and ahoda never came back. Besides, he was the one who suggested his replacement. He seemed to try to steer discussion away from razorback, and he voted Red Star. There was that strange incident at the end of day 1 where he suddenly switched votes from razorback to Red Star to hammer. It certainly drew lots of attention; not sure if it was scum or town behavior. He voted KageLord because he thought my post did a good job showing the connection between kelikar and razorback. Now, there isn't too much of a reason for me to suspect him. It could be because he has so many town reads, but he isn't really giving a list of suspects either. Which leads me to my next point...
I made another list based on who I thought was helping the town most/least.
popsofctown: He's not helping that much. Even after he said that quitting is bad and that a game is a commitment, for the past few days he hasn't posted much except fluff. His last good post was a week ago. Because of this, I wouldn't really miss him in this game. Sorry, but even after I asked you to be more active, you aren't showing much interest in this game.
horrordude0215: Now, I mentioned before that he didn't really respond to my case about kelikar. In fact, right after I made SOAP #3 he commented only on himself. It didn't contribute to the discussion about KageLord. He does get points for looking over Red Star's post so carefully (admittedly it was only for himself and not for the others), and for posting his thoughts on popsofctown. Overall, though, an acceptable amount, and not as bad as pops.
KageLord: Honestly, I enjoy his posts. They are pretty good/constructive, and his defense raised some good points. He mentions his suspicions and reasonings (and is not as jumpy/reactive as horror). If I didn't think he was scum, I would want him alive.
For now I will keep my vote on KageLord, since he is my top choice based on scumminess. Till next time!
TL;DR: just look at the list above. Should be self-explanatory. My vote stays with KageLord.
Question to mod: If Red Star does not pick up his prod and is replaced, will you give time for the replacement to be found and for night actions to be submitted, if applicable?
Not sure what exactly you're asking here. I would extend the night deadline if the replacement is found midnight. I would hope not to extend the day deadline if a replacement was found then, but if they replace in very close to deadline I might make an exception. ~Kitty
PS: Excedrin posted while I wrote this. I hope that we would listen to both cases reasonably and that we are not pitiful. Basically, my point was that we shouldn't lynch someone against whom we don't have a good case, just because we can't decide between two others. Now that you've posted more (along with horror) there is more evidence/case, so I feel more comfortable now.
that just makes me laugh. I'm the only one you didn't look at so I get your vote? And I already stated why I didn't vote pops... I was going on V/LA for a few days and didn't want to place a vote before I left.
