lolJahudo wrote:I now think ToD is town
Feel free to explain this because it looked to me like the main reason you found him scummy was that he was attacking you, which hasn't really ceased.
I think ToD is serious about thinking I'm scum. If he was scum, its a sure thing either Porkens or Percy is town and I would think he would have been more open to joining one of those wagons than starting a new one on me.Trumpet of Doom wrote:Percy: seems town.
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I'm inclined to see Porkens as town.
Jahudo 623 wrote:Um no. As I recall you were unwilling to switch so I had to compromise so we wouldn't get a no lynch. And we don't know that Cobalt/Hero is town, though I'd bet he is town.
Then you comment on the SOG lynch and talk about why you still think Cobalt is scum:Jahudo 470 wrote:We can still discuss the lynch, but I want to see that my vote counts. Cobalt's my top pick today.
Vote: Cobalt
So Porkens town, Cobalt scum was how it flipped around in your head.Jahudo 493 wrote:I don't mind a SOG lynch, but I prefer Cobalt and some people I think are town seem to prefer him too. The reason I didn't talk about him more was that the wagon was well in hand and I was speaking my mind about VPB. I explained why I thought SOG was scum, and I didn't have anything else to ask him.
Cobalt and Porkens reads went hand in hand, and I flipped them after mulling over how Nikanor might have been playing yesterday. I like my basis of thinking now more than I did previously.
Now the important things to note:Jahudo 500 wrote:I haven't been able to read him, so I have a nulltell and a neutral read on him without looking at Nik. And I don't think you have made a case for him outside what I call a nulltell.Percy wrote:Not an alignment tell ≠ towntell. How could a nulltell give you doubts? What do you think about the rest of his play?I'm not sure what that second part means, but maybe that's accurate. Tony looked scummy, and there are clear doubts about why SOG didn't elaborate on the Nik wagon beyond a simple "I'm not feeling it".Jahudo 497 wrote:Again you dismiss the case based on WIFOM. This verges on "2scum4scum".
unvote;
Vote: semioldguy
I already linked to them in reply to d3x. I said very early on that I thought the Cobalt slot was town due to the Nikanor interaction.Jahudo 623 wrote:Where did you have the same ideas?
Let's look at what you said:Jahudo 623 wrote:SOG and DDD were still alive yesterday. I thought Nikanor might've been buddying Tony to DDD (or less likely DDD to Tony). Once I knew both were town, it was clear he was waiting for the loser to emerge and become the mislynch.
The most important thing to note is that the Tony wagon was already dead. Seraphim wasn't even voting for Tony anymore. Your read of the situation makes no sense at all.Jahudo 545 wrote:Hero (Cobalt/Sera) is downgraded as a suspect now that we know DDD and Tony are both town. I think Nik was just waiting to see if Tony would be lynched without his support. So when Nikanor voted Seraphim for throwing suspicion on DDD and bandwagoning Tony, it now looks like he was hoping to setup Seraphim as the scum presence on the Tony mislynch.
For the first part, I agree. I pushed hard, but Porkens seems like a player that is very difficult to lynch... My read has somewhat weakened, and I would like to hear more from Porkens, though I still maintain my points against him.VP Baltar 624 wrote:[T]he way people just pushed [Porkens' wagon] and then went quiet bothers me a bit. Too much complacency for such vast support of it.
On the other hand, why are you open to another lynch suddenly Percy? You've been pushing Porkens pretty hard all day without much care elsewhere. Was it just ToD's case that changed your heart (even though you do still say Porkens is scum and there is wagon support there)?
That's called compromising with someone who wouldn't give any leeway. I was making sure there wasn't a no lynch. Seems like you would twist this around either way and call it scummy.Percy wrote:1. Your vote on SOG seems extremely weak, especially since your vote was so crucial. You quote me, and despite admittedly not understanding half of it, you use that reason to vote him.
SOG and DDD. If one of them was scum, he wouldn't have been very at ease in thinking either way it turned there would be a mislynch. Having them both be town changes the dynamic of how he was treating other people, like Seraphim. So it had everything to do with the townflips and its amazing how you don't acknowledge how that might be possible.Percy wrote:This was somehow due to SOG flipping town, but I still don't understand why you didn't even discuss this possibility yesterday.
I was initially overlooking the obvious with Nikanor's suspicion of Porkens. There are no 3rd party roles, so he was obviously not trying to get Porkens mislynched. It was a distancing ruse all along and I initially fell for it. You either missed my turnaround or neglected to mention it.Percy wrote:Porkens becomes your top suspect at the start of the day due to this Nikanor wagon interaction, despite your discussion without conclusion along the same lines before backing up to "he is not a good lynch for these reasons" in this post the previous day.
... and now he's abandoning his wagon on you because his lynch is looking like a viability and instead attacking me. I'm now much more sure of my scumread of Jahudo.Jahudo 517 wrote:I think its likeliest that 2 of {Percy, Hero and Porkens} are scum, and my gut right now says Percy is town
You miss my point. Not only was DDD available to you, who had expressed a willingness to kill Cobalt; but you also switch to SOG for no other reason than to secure his lynch, rather than trying to make a case against him or any other suspect at that crucial time.Jahudo 635 wrote:That's called compromising with someone who wouldn't give any leeway. I was making sure there wasn't a no lynch. Seems like you would twist this around either way and call it scummy.
I find it amazing that you ignored one of the most crucial points from my post - that the wagon was already dead, so your interpretation makes no sense.Jahudo 635 wrote:SOG and DDD. If one of them was scum, he wouldn't have been very at ease in thinking either way it turned there would be a mislynch. Having them both be town changes the dynamic of how he was treating other people, like Seraphim. So it had everything to do with the townflips and its amazing how you don't acknowledge how that might be possible.
I don't understand why you conclude that it was distancing, rather than some good old-fashioned mudslinging. I also don't understand why, if your read is so strong, you are now voting for me, the person Porkens has been voting all day. He's done everything short of jumping through my screen and cutting off my head. Now you abandon the wagon on Porkens and join him in wagonning me? LOLWUTJahudo 635 wrote:I was initially overlooking the obvious with Nikanor's suspicion of Porkens. There are no 3rd party roles, so he was obviously not trying to get Porkens mislynched. It was a distancing ruse all along and I initially fell for it. You either missed my turnaround or neglected to mention it.
I haven't ignored anything; I've found your explanations lacking and have strong suspicions that they are scum rationalisations. I acknowledge your stances. I just think they're lacking. Given the fact that I have spent a good deal of the game discussing your play and asking for clarifications, concluding that I'm not investigating you is ludicrous.Jahudo 635 wrote:Percy has repeatedly ignored entire posts from me where I explain my changes of opinion. He doesn't acknowledged any of my stances, just the speculative outcomes. He's not investigating me.
When? As I recall you weren't willing to settle, I did make a case that you wouldn't debate with me, and DDD never said he could override either one of us. Deadline came after little discussion and I had to act.Percy wrote:You miss my point. Not only was DDD available to you, who had expressed a willingness to kill Cobalt; but you also switch to SOG for no other reason than to secure his lynch, rather than trying to make a case against him or any other suspect at that crucial time.
Maybe if we spam the thread we'll get an extra day.VP Baltar wrote:deadline is probably today isn't it?
We should probably no lynch, but I'd like everyone to check in first just in case someone has a good reason why lynching would be better (eg. investigation results or an ability that could give us two lynches in one day.)Mod wrote:--You are in MyLo!