Mini 989 - Disgaea Mafia Episode 2 (Game Over!)

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I feel sorry for all of you

/confirm.

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No need to be an asshole yet, Buttonmen ^-^. Just wait til D3 where I'm flailing against a scum driven wagon and you have to walk in with a cop result that saves me. THEN the assholery can begin .

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Of course. Though, to be fair, you nearly made the game a loss by holding back. But, getting your result out in time DID make it so that we actually won.

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Vote Dramonic

Obv scum, knows the mafier, won't tell us, (ry

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@IllusionaryMango: Don't get me started on walls of text and quote stripes. It

will not

end well.

But, the short of it is, the harder you make the game to read, the more anti town you're being. Also, walls of text tend to not be as content rich as their proponents would like to think.

@Nacho: Manz, I thought we were gonna be cool together and catch the scums! The last two times we've kinda failed to make good on that promise! This was supposed to be the episode where we totally had a perfect win!

@foobert: Eh, TBM's explaining well 'nuff.

So, amazingly enough, no one has done anything with scummy intent yet. Well, obvious scummy intent. Obviously the scum have posted with scum intent, it's just not clear what it is yet.

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Meh, don't see it yet. Bear in mind it usually takes something obvious for the first part of Day 1 for me to really start acting. It's hard to explain when things start ticking over.

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UK's brain at work, I picture clockwork happening once a scummy action occured.

Close, more scummy intent appearing. I generally have been hanging back early D1 as of late. I'll post a bunch but it's mostly just poking around til some scum bees start trying to sting me

Regarding pressure votes, I'd say stating a pressure vote is a pressure vote has it's uses if you know what you are looking for knowing they are responding to what is obviously a pressure vote.

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@Mango: Oh, I read. And I find out that 90% of walls of text are wasted chaff. Hell, I know, I used to be a WoTer. If you can't say it in less than two paragraphs, it's not worth saying. You also probably are putting things in that are unnecessary to get your point across.

As for quote stripes, those are: artificial post extenders, easy to misrepresent, and very fucking hard to read on mafsepia. And before you say use subsilver that's a really blinding background. We won't even talk about maftyger.

So, yes, it is anti town to obfuscate what you actually mean with words words words.

@Mango: Why is self contradictory behavior a scumtell?

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@Nacho: Usually after two to three days of bad reads, with the middle of day two having me produce a completely accurate scum list and then dismiss it because it's "ridiculous". I wish that the explosion phase caught more scum but it's usually more blind leading the blind pissiness. Trying to be a little better about that, mostly.

Iec is interesting me for the reasons Nacho stated. Waiting to see where this goes.

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@DT: That was a waste of information.

Anyway, I noticed something interesting about Kthx's post. Not sure if it's a tell though.

The "Well, we'll have to agree to disagree, but I'm going to scum hunt thing" Feels a lot like discrediting Iec while trying to propose he is doing an action he may not intend to follow through on.

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@DT: You've created a scum kill target. A confirmed townie has far more use later in the game, as you should well know.

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@DT: I would prefer you stop dropping more information.

Just...forget I said anything. I don't want to draw out any more of your role, even by accident.

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I'd like a votecount, first of all, and second of all, I'm not entirely certain about the scum tell nature of what I observed. Ironically, Iec bugs me for what I'm being accused of at the moment ^-^.

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I've played a couple games with him but never examined his playstyle. I only go by a loose meta of things that seem to correlate. I tend to not notice things that don't correlate because they don't necessarily mean scum or town.

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Nah, I'm lazy. If something comes up I'll let you know. As I have been ^-^. In fact, I said it at the time. The post where he was all like "I like the wagon but I'm not jumping on it".

So, I know, name the most obvious scum of obviousness in this thread .

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(psst)
(psst)
(Hey. Hey Jarti)
(You know that DT guy? He's a jerk >=[)
(You heard it from me first. Don't tell him I said anything!)

Oh, right ,I figure I'll wax philosophical on how nothing is "just playstyle" and that everything should be looked into, to correctly derive scummy intent.

Now get me some green tea before I go Confucius on your ass.

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Why is kthx obvscum?

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(Psst)
(Psst)
(Jarti. I'm actually town. With super powers.)
(Don't tell no one)
(kay?)

Anyway, L-4 is where the cool kids aren't

Unvote, Vote kthxbye

I am willing to conjecture my noticement was of enough note to be worth a vote.

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Eh, that works.

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@kthx: Mostly gut. It wasn't "you may not follow through", though I used that phrasing. The reasoning is that the structure of your sentence felt like it was a scummy structure. As if you are thinking in terms of what is best for scum.

@Iec: You have encouraged me to ISO foobert to validate your claims

@kthx: What did Iec do again? Like, what about what you are saying speaks of scummy intent?

I'm not saying it's not there, I'm curious what you see.

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Easy ISO :V

I mean, foobert's first question is a bit "yeeeeaaaaahh"

And...I'm surprisingly not seeing any problems with his second post. He just needs to get his ass in here.

Yeah, I probably should have figured nothing would ping for me if it hadn't already.

Basically, foobert's lack of posting is more scummy than his actual posting.

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Secondly, we have him attacking me for asking someone to elaborate on why they voted when after it was explained, foobert does the same thing in which he totally misses it.

Please cite this more directly for me, either in quote or link form.

The rest of it checks out for me.

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Pretty damning. I'd like Iec to respond.

Unvote

for now.

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Actually, dram DID give fakeclaims to the scum team. Don't forget, Cirno had Seraph IIRC, just chose Vulcanus since she literally could not claim doctor without being outted as scum.

At any rate, only reason I'm giving Iec a chance to answer is because I've found myself in similar situations as town and I'm looking for something specific from him that would alleviate concerns.

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back and all, but not much to say until Iec returns.

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I'm thinking of running a Large Theme version of that game with more kooky mechanics, actually. Still working out what I want to do ^-^. But, you're welcome, it was fun, if a pain in the ass, to mod.

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MoI has most of it. Further, what the words ARE saying fight with each other. Foobert is definitely sitting on a fence with that post.

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That does not reflect favorably on you, foobert.

It'd be best to explain why you have seen nothing scummy. Regardless, I understand not jumping on everything since, hey, that's how I play early D1. That's how I've been playing and I've been easing into the game now that things have happened.

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Regarding Iec mostly. Sorry I didn't specify. You haven't said a lot about why he's not scummy.

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Alright, what about the accusation that you haven't been looking at things and that makes you scummy, despite him clearly not looking at things?

What about his half hearted support for a wagon without jumping on it?

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@Kise: Your wagon does not impress me. It does not bear mentioning.

@Iec: I don't like your answer.

Unvote, Vote Iec

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Nah, it's the self meta you do that I don't like. The answer itself was decent, not sure if I'd had believed it or not. Wasn't really looking for anything except scummy intent. You reeked of it in that post when you went into self meta.

The random switch to MoI, is, oddly enough, semi pro town. It's just the rest of your stuff isn't. I mean, your posts before aren't and half that post isn't.

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behavior and intent are about the same thing IMO. You didn't demonstrate the intent I expected. It's hard to explain what I was looking for, but what it was wasn't there.

Anyway, how about you link the game and show me.

...we have forced preview now? Fucking win.

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Situations were different, in the meta example you provide. You engage in direct WIFOM here. Your meta defense there was over the use of a word.

It's really, really, hard to explain, Iec. It's not even precisely what you say but how you say it. I'm still working out the details myself. It makes it hard to push a case until I get a clear idea of what looks scummy. If I were to guess now, it was the intent in your self meta.

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Actually, IIRC you said you always self meta, which makes it, at best, a null tell. This argument has gotten stupid though.

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I say at best because I argue you self meta differently as town or scum, and since your current self meta there was different from the town example, it doesn't look good.

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Oh, I'm hella irritating.

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Why would we lynch Kise again?

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I actually got a slight town vibe from that post. Mostly relating to how he responded to me.

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EBWOP: Regardless, can you show me the post where the cognitive dissonance occurs again? I know it's been mentioned before but yeah.

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I'll do that later when I'm not doing other stuff then.

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@Iec: How did you not fencesit the Kise wagon? You exactly said you sympathize but wouldn't vote on it. That's called fencesitting.

Should probably read White illusion...er, MAGNA Illusion or whatev in ISO though.

Kise as well I think was suggested?

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@TBM: Not really. Had DnD yesterday. I may or may not have time today depending on how much money I feel like making before I socialize this evening. Tuesday, however, should be fairly free.

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I've mostly skimmed the walls that occured in my absence. Vollkan has an interesting system. Anyway, after I take my shower and do a couple things, I can do the promised ISOs.

Kise and MoI, I believe.

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Ah, god dammit, I only feel like doing one ISO, so it's going to be Kise. Then I'm going to do random shit, and if the mood strikes me tonight, I'll do MoI. Otherwise I'll do MoI tomorrow assuming I'm not being social.

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Admittedly, I am not sure what to make of the Kise ISO. Pretty useless early D1, but early D1 is pretty useless itself until later game.

I guess what bugs me the most is the oscillation between jokes and serious, and being more jokey than anything. But...I...guess I just don't sense scum intent from Kise at this time.

Let's try this again. What am I LOOKING for from Kise, again?

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Well, I think he's right on Iec. I think that, for the time being, flavor is slightly town. I want him to produce more of substance as the day goes on though.

It's just...he doesn't read as trying to screw the town, I guess.

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Doesn't he rescind that view later, or did I miss something?

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(They are. This game has been fucking impossible to read because of them. Fortunately, from what I've caught, not a whole lot has changed)

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Content laden my ass. I could probably compress every fucking wall in this thread to one or two paragraphs, if that. Short ones, probably.

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Well of course not. It's in your interest to obfuscate your points as best you can. You know, being scum and all :V.

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Posting a lot is fine. Posting walls that DON'T HAVE HIGH CONTENT isn't.

And your walls do not.

I love how you are trying to confuse the issue ^-^.

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Another strawman.

I never said without content.

I said without high content.

Why are you hiding behind misinterpretation, Iec? Can't prove your case with the actual words used?

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INB4 a bogus claim that she's not attacking me for high activity, but for low "signal:noise" ratio.

Cept that's EXACTLY what you have, therefore it's not bullshit.

FURTHER, I wasn't mocking your high content claim, I was saying it was clearly bullshit.

Quit trying to weasel out with wordplay and ACTUALLY DEFEND YOUR POINTS!

Oh wait, YOU CAN'T!

CONFIRM VOTE IECERINT!

Unless you plan to actually address the issue, I want you DEAD.

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/me rereads the exchange

Um, yeah. Any normal person would realize that I'm saying you're trying to inflate your posts, but they aren't necessarily completely vapid. Just not as content laden as you'd like us to think. The way you are responding to my criticisms of your walls REEKS of scum though.

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Volk is getting a pass since he's catching up and his walls actually haven't been too far off. MoI and Iec ARE pretty bad about them though. I think I will do a review of their walls to confirm my initial feelings of too much noise.

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Oh, I'm not whining. I'm pointing out it's anti town as fuck, especially when the noise ratio is high. Sometime in the future I will confirm or deny my high noise read on you all. If they are actually contentful, then all I can do is sigh at the pain in the ass way you choose to present your information.

Anyway, I may or may not have been misremembering Iec. If I called you out on a "first strawman", then it will be in my ISO. If I didn't, I misspoke.

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^ Scum intent out the ass.

No, I haven't reread yet. Might do it tomorrow. But do I really need to when people are being obv scum?

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See, Iec calls it bullshit because he can't defend the fact he leaked a fuckton of scum intent.

It must be nice in Iec land, being able to completely nullify a valid argument by calling it bullshit. Man, I wish that actually worked when

I

was scum!

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Oh, the great part is, your claim policy had nothing to do with why your post was scummy.

If you MUST know, the intent in your little nostalgia trip was a subtle attempt to dissuade the lynch on you. There were a few key words that made it sound like more scum dissuasion than town dissuasion.

That better, Iec-scum?

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I really hope I don't regret this, but, RBT is really a hard player to read because he is consistently scummy. Honestly? I've been ignoring him this entire game because he never adds anything of value (in my experience) and tends to confuse the issue. If things start going sour and we aren't catching scum, I'd probably revisit him. But, that's my reason, however poor, for not chasing RBT regardless of what he's done.

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@Iec: That's classified information. Maybe I'll tell you later. But I probably won't, since I like being able to find intent unfettered. I haven't figured out how to respond to people changing their speech patterns to not look scummy, and I'd rather not have to.

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Well, if it's any condolence if you flip town I'll review my findings and probably expose my failed method, so as to improve it.

Too bad you're probably scum ^-^.

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Oh, they're pretty solid. I just refuse to reveal the mechanics of them. I'm pretty sure that if anyone took my general statement of scum intent and looked for it, they'd see what I see, assuming they were looking for scum.

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Well, the biggest tipping point was the post where he was talking about how nostalgic it is to be at L-1.

Honestly, that's not the scumtell in and of itself. It's the way he phrased it that sounds more like scum than town.

I mean, hell, we all know how I talk about the idea of me being lynched. Comparative analysis should help there.

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@Kthx: But on the flip side, a policy lynch means that 3/4ths of the time you're lynching town. At least if I revisit him later, I'll have more material to try to read for RBT-scum intent.

As it stands, I feel there are people more likely to be scum sitting out there and an RBT focus will not end well.

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I think my stance is clear. Can't say I LIKE it, since Kise isn't exactly sterling...I just trust my reads.

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Why is Jarti scum? I haven't looked into him really.

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I'll look into it tomorrow maybe

Vote: Extension

(Does that actually work?)

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Yeah, you know, I think I'll just look into the Jarti case over the period of night. I don't feel like getting into ISOs right now.

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We have less than 24 hours. Are you telling me that a Jarti wagon can spring to 7 votes in that time?

Be realistic.

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Unless someone claims scum in the next hour and a half. I'll stick to my guns on Iec.

Well, if day is still going when I wake up and something drastic happens that's also possible. But, essentially, Iec is the play in my eyes.

If the situation changes so that someone else absolutely needs hammering before deadline, I'll switch though.

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...really?

God dammit, I really don't WANT to do an ISO though. It's a pain in the ass and I'm REALLY not in the mood. I couldn't produce quality content on it anyway. I guess I could review him but don't expect an involved explanation of my findings. Fair enough?

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Jarti...looks pretty solid until his latest posts. Even then, it's not a lot against him.

Most striking are these two posts that seem to quite easily counter Iec's points.

There's some following, but there's also a lot of solid production.

Perhaps you'd like to link posts that should cause me to reconsider my assessment?

I'll also note he's poked a couple other hives I didn't point out in a fairly pro town way, IMO. At worst he seems a little too jokey.

Cuts:
Also, remember? I think Kise is Kise right now, and generally townie intended, at least for his own standards, drawn from Disgaer 1.

Only gonna jump on him if we ABSOLUTELY need a lynch.

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The first post demonstrates original thought. The second post I do not believe was brought up before. I'll do a quick page check.

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Yeah, pretty soon after you went "favorite person" Jarti called it out.

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EBWOP: We were having a fight for most of the pages between your unvote and Jarti's call. Your potential links to kthx didn't come up.

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I think I actually crossed a few wires. I thought that it was FOOBERT, not KISE he was talking about. And talking about Foobert as not being the play would have been new at the time.

Though, the Kise points aren't terrible, and I don't see how Kise was being anti town with TBM there?

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I don't see where the two described situations are the same.

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Depends on what the interrogator is asking. I'd need to find the relevant posts in this case though.

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What are you even trying to do with that comment, Iec? It's so fallacious I don't know where to start. May not necessarily be scummy but it's stupid.

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It's not WIFOM so much as irrelevant, Appeal to Authority, Appeal to Emotion, and rather circumstantial evidence.

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Whether you are town or scum, that's still an appeal to emotion. I really don't see how you can claim it's not when...it is.

Let me rephrase the circumstantial accusation. It's evidence we don't have access to.

And um...yes they are. Especially when the authority doesn't exactly tell you who the scum are unless you are.

But, the most important thing is, you don't even argue that it's not irrelevant. Because it wasn't relevant.

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It mostly bugs the hell out of me because it was so pointless. Regardless of your version of events, since it's not verifiable, it was irrelevant. Therefore, it wasn't a very useful thing to say. It seems stupid. Acting stupid sets me off.

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Sorry, not verifiable by anything except your lynch.

Once again, how does dram inviting you to a game I'm back up modding have ANYTHING to do with information that helps town after you die?

And how does getting lynched as hypothetical town make you any less a "loser" anyway?

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Fuck if I know. I only remember about 5 people playing this game, so that basically implies EVERYONE NOT POSTING IS A FUCKSHIT! GET YOUR ASSES IN HERE >=[!

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I have to go to bed.

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Well, that was interesting...

Checking a few things.

So, where were we anyway?

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Yeah, ok, I'ma need to be careful with my vote. I got some SUPA~ POWAHS. Such as double voting. Meaning that I have to be DOUBLY sure someone is scum :O.

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@MoI: ...yes, because it WON'T BE BLATANTLY FUCKING OBVIOUS I'm a double voter when I vote.

Real genius there, dumbass.

Pro tip, actually look for scummy shit, not stupid shit. Further, don't call shit stupid if it actually isn't. Since, once again, IT WILL BE MANIFESTLY OBVIOUS I GAINED A DOUBLE VOTING POWER WHEN I VOTE!

Further, this is a bastard theme game IIRC. Expect a lot of roles. Even softclaiming a power role isn't as dangerous as it would be otherwise. I had my reasons for softclaiming, just as I had my reasons for claiming my double vote. Don't assume I'm doing stupid shit when I'm not. That, in itself, is rather stupid shit.

What are you saying with your last statement? About the power roles?



Honestly, this whole post reads terribly if I'm correct about a couple things. Even disregarding the last thing, there's some major bragging in here.

Problem is...I don't like Nacho's activity either and it bugs me. I'd like Nacho to walk in and explain before I start jumping on MoI.

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EBWOP: Damn, I just realized what MoI was alluding to. He's still dum for thinking that there was any reason for me NOT to claim getting a double voting power, but my misunderstanding caused me to stupidly point out I softclaimed power earlier this game. Sorry about the midunderstanding. This doesn't really change my concerns about the rest of your post though.

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Well, I did qualify with IIRC. Bastard doesn't necessarily mean role madness. So, essentially, me bringing up bastard game really didn't matter at all. I'm not getting into this, since, as I will demonstrate, your bout of rolefishing plus the lovely bragging about the mercy you granted to TBM and such makes you pretty obviously scum in my eyes. (Yes, we know what happened last time, but this time the signs are a little clearer. I have more to explain about Iec postgame, actually. No, not role related, before you get out the poles)

Sorry. Learn to live with the fact that you don’t walk on water.

I don't? Huh. Nah, I don't think I'll accept that. After all, how is one going to get good if they let people get them down? Gotta believe in yourself before you get anywhere. (OMG FLUFF SENTENCE :O!)

Anyway, it's not so much questioning me about my play so much as insinuating

I

was stupid to claim double voting when it would be manifestly obvious. So I fought fire with fire.

Re: Picture: Yeah, I'm sure everyone is going to think that post was an amazing wall and not read it when the content was pretty obviously there, takes less than two seconds to process, and overall lightens the mood. Further, I meant it. Depending on your answer I'm going to metaphorically kick your ass, because it makes you more likely you're scum . So, therefore, it gets my point across, and doesn't really inflate the post time wise. Now, compared to a wall of dubious value, that takes much longer to read and process, only to find out it could have been said in less than a paragraph, I think it becomes obvious you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Nice straw though ^-^

Actually, yes, you needed to explain you were rolefishing like hell. I was expecting that was what you meant, but I wanted to confirm. You are certainly worthy of the ass kicking promised in the picture.

Vote MangaofIllusion

I know I said I'd wait for Nacho, but, reading that last post made me change my mind.

At any rate, the things you accused me of not being pro town for are arguably "stupid shit" (And the argument is whether they are stupid or not, not scummy or not, before you try to take that argument), not "scummy shit". Stop stupid hunting. Start scum hunting. I know it's easier for scum you to stupid hunt though .

In other news, this became a fucking wall. Go me :V.


BONUS CONTENT:
Speaking of stupid

[quote="MoI]NON-BASTERD GAME[/quote]

It's BastArd, not BastErd :V.

FAKE EDIT DUE TO PREVIEW: What the fuck Jarti? Your sentences. They do not make sense.

@kthx: Oh, hi there. Look at MoI if you are looking for the scum on Iec's wagon.

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EBWOP: Oh, right, I did ask the mod after I found out about my voting power. It's all at once, so that should show two votes on MoI.

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Hahaha, how amusing. No, you completely missed what I was calling rolefishing. So, good strawman there.

Can you actually address the issues? I was referring to your cute comment about all the town power being revealed, supposedly. Why would ANYONE pro town ever fucking say that?

Once again, you intentionally attack the wrong thing. I wasn't going to get into role balance and how many PRs there are. It does NOT help the town.

OK, so, now it's OMGUS? Is that really all you have against me?

Please, humor me. Demonstrate how I could possibly be scum. I enjoy seeing cases where none exist.

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Why is MoI town, TBM?

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@Kise: Wasn't TBM the claimed power with the information or something?

@kthx: Easy:

Both yourself and TBM both amazingly survived the Night.

This is what we call BRAGGING.

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What I'm saying, Magna of Idiocy, is that why the hell is that power role discussion AT ALL PRO TOWN? What could POSSIBLY further the town by speculating what power roles there are?

Once again, what PRO TOWN REASON EXISTS for pointing this out? It comes off as bragging. It's pretty damn useless otherwise without a good case.

Once again, you are bragging about the NK and who didn't die. The fact you are intentionally failing to get this just further indicates you are scum.

Oh, by the way, that we thing? It's called the royal we. I use it when I'm being patronizing because someone is dumb or scum. Which are you? I hope for your sake it's scum.

I should probably read Nacho's production more thoroughly but I am too frustrated with other people in this game to produce good content on it at this time.

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You still haven't adequately answered ANYTHING I've posited about your scumminess. It's pro town to discuss issues, but it's not pro town to set up speculate and do little else.

And it was more pro town for me to walk away for a bit rather than produce a stupid rage induced post.

I love how you quote little rhetorics like "Discussion is pro town", rather than getting into SPECIFICALLY why the whole power role/NK thing was at all a good idea.

It's not to rant and name call like a 5th Grader.

Why would anyone actually thinking assert that pointing it out is Scummy?

Fixed it for you. Love the attack on spelling while writing like a First Grader.

Look, it’s miss “Yelling that you are stupid really makes my post more powerful, really!!!!”

IRONING!

I'll admit that I provoked you into them, but for someone so high and mighty, you sure take bait easily.

I should probably back off, but please don't be a hypocrite.

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Well, if MoI would stop being scum, I could stop attacking him ^-^.

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Well, part of it is that whether MoI is intentionally misinterpretting what I say and strawmanning me or honestly not getting it is pissing me the fuck off. Ignorance, feigned or otherwise, when something has been spelled out SEVERAL FUCKING TIMES, is basically one of my berserk buttons. I try to control it, but it's really hard sometimes.

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Why waste a lurker lynch when we seem to have someone out there willing to shoot policy targets? I don't think RBT is really an optimal SK OR scum kill. I could be wrong though. Just curious about that, TBM.

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I respect your decision, and I'mma let you finish, but MoI is the best lynch of all time. of ALL TIME.

Nah, seriously, I can't drop it. I'm both too conceited and too stubborn. I see scum in front of me. Kise, however, doesn't appear to be a terrible lynch. So, I'd probably hammer it if needed.

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@MoI: Bragging: It's a subconscious tell. It doesn't help the town, and scum are more likely to do it
Issues: Nice strawman. I was saying you were ignoring the issues

I

brought up so you could play in your bale of hay.
Power claims: Once again, I had my reasons for soft claiming, I also adequately explained my reasons for claiming the double vote, you know, the thing where IT WOULD BE FUCKING OBVIOUS unless I wanted to play vote games, and that really wouldn't be pro town. And finally, it's the fact that the context of the power claims was "Well, derp a fucking derp, we have three softclaimed and/or full claimed power roles, gee, I wonder why none of them died :V!"

Which is, at the least, playing into scum WIFOM, and at the most likliest,

trying to produce that WIFOM because you were the killer

Horrid Play: When you flip scum we'll see who's play is horrid .
The fact you'd "stoop to my level" shows you to be pretty fucking immature, btw.

The lesson here: Is that you still have been bullshitting your way through my accusations and NEVER ANSWERED THEM! It's not about being right, it's about the fact YOU'VE BEEN SCUMMY AS FUCK TODAY!

Issue Discussion 2: That's basically one huge miserable pile of strawman. Have you ever considered farming as a profession?


But, anyway, since you've spent so much time strawmanning and overall misrepresenting me, and then launching into personal attacks supposedly because you wanted to play my game for awhile (oh, btw, your last post still was. You aren't a fucking angel yourself.), why do you at all think I'm town? You seem to be accusing me of the scumtells I throw at you (by misconstruing them, but whatever), but you turn around and attack Nacho saying he's setting me up as a mislynch. This reads as serious cognitive dissonance, unless you'd like to explain this to me adequately?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, right.

@Nacho: I'm not entirely sure you're town, oddly enough. I still have to read your walls but D1 didn't look good for you.

[UncertainKitten]

@MoI regarding claims.

I think we have a misunderstanding here. My double vote claim was not my soft claim. My double vote claim is a power I got today, from RBT, I assume.

My soft claim was when I said I had SUPA~ POWAHS. In which case, that's what it is, a soft claim. You have no idea what my powers are, if anything. I also wouldn't advise questioning down that avenue. I also didn't claim the double vote til today, since I didn't have it until today. So, with regards to claimed power and people being dead, your statement doesn't make sense assuming my claim was double voting.

Honestly, I'm confused. Can you elucidate where either you or I had a misunderstanding?

Could you also elucidate my earlier question about your attacks on Nacho with regards to me and the dissonance illustrated by your accusations placed against me?

Did I miss anything else?

[UncertainKitten]

@MoI regarding claims.

I think we have a misunderstanding here. My double vote claim was not my soft claim. My double vote claim is a power I got today, from RBT, I assume.

My soft claim was when I said I had SUPA~ POWAHS. In which case, that's what it is, a soft claim. You have no idea what my powers are, if anything. I also wouldn't advise questioning down that avenue. I also didn't claim the double vote til today, since I didn't have it until today. So, with regards to claimed power and people being dead, your statement doesn't make sense assuming my claim was double voting.

Honestly, I'm confused. Can you elucidate where either you or I had a misunderstanding?

Could you also elucidate my earlier question about your attacks on Nacho with regards to me and the dissonance illustrated by your accusations placed against me?

Did I miss anything else?

[UncertainKitten]

Ach, double posted. Can you fix that, Dram?

[UncertainKitten]

The thing is, if I were scum, and Nacho were scum, I would not be a mislynch, so therefore, Nacho wouldn't be setting up a future mislynch, but whatever. So, basically, what happened was I figured you were alluding to a softclaim I made earlier in the game. I am not sure my double vote came from RBT, but I thought I hazarded a guess for it to be such (guessing I didn't). So, again, earlier in the game I referenced the fact I had some power. It wasn't double voting, as an aside. I got that today. I still don't feel your power role bragging was very pro town, but a lot of the argument makes a little more sense now.

Odds are the fact I didn't rise to your bait about RBT in 502 is because you were calling me scum when I'm not, so it was safely ignorable as incorrect information (though it has a liklihood of being half correct, with the RBT giving me the double vote part)

[UncertainKitten]

So, how do I put this...Jarti and Kise are bugging the shit out of me. More Jarti since I've played with Kise before and while I still haven't figured out how he does things, I know he tends to bug me. He ends up getting a higher threshold because of it, at times. But, even so, if it were viable enough, I'd probably join a Kise lynch. The problem is...something Jarti pointed out bugs me for obvious reasons since I've spent the entire day arguing with MoI. The other trouble, though, is I don't recall Jarti being amazingly pro town himself and it feels a lot like he's been doing pushes from the sidelines and such to see what can be stirred up.

Granted, this is a feel I'm getting from memory. I'm not completely certain if it's true. But, I'm lukewarm on Kise, probably until one of MoI or Jarti flip. I DO have a feeling at least one scum is amongst those.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm torn. Everyone is fucking scummy cept you and DT and kthx. Jarti has just been like "yo" in just in time to tilt a wagon, Kise has been useless, but he's always useless, but MoI has been actively scummy.

[UncertainKitten]

I've been pushing the MoI case all day. There's nothing to add to it. It's out there. Reiterating it over and over won't do a whole lot.

The problem with Kise is he's one of the players with a higher scumminess threshold since he's more likely to act scummy. It's meta I shouldn't be encouraging, but it's there nonetheless.

[UncertainKitten]

It's how I process things. I'd rather catch the scum that don't have a threshold first and then sort out the rest later as I have more data. I would have done the same with RBT had he not met an untimely demise.

That said, if we could get a votecount I will decide if a switch to Kise is warranted, since I don't see a lot of disadvantage in getting rid of him (besides the possibility of losing a townie)...I just don't like the idea of wasting a lynch when raw probability indicates Kise isn't a good play. But, as I said, there's a lot of scumminess to go around, and thinking on it, Kise's flip COULD tilt things enough so I can sort out who's who.

[UncertainKitten]

So, we have four days to lynch someone, nothing new is happening with MoI, and I can get Kise to L-1 in one leaping bound. I am not particularly convinced he's scum, but I know that he's not the most helpful player in general.

I...that's very tempting. I'm at a loss for what to do though...

Allow me to think on it.

[UncertainKitten]

But I want to lynch scum...

/me sighs

Fuck it, you know what? Even if Kise flips town it will just make the scum more obvious and clear a couple people, and if he flips scum, then his buddies become obvious.

Unvote, Vote Kise

[UncertainKitten]

You better hope he's scum, Jarti.

[UncertainKitten]

Wow, this makes things interesting indeed ^-^.

If I may put out a suggestion, Jarti would be an AMAZING target Kise. So would MoI .

[UncertainKitten]

I am, Reck. I claimed at the beginning of Day 2. Everyone should have been aware of my doublevote. If they were not, I DID clearly delineate that I was putting Kise at L-1 prior to my vote post.

[UncertainKitten]

I wouldn't suggest shooting me.

I'll add to my softclaim.

My role is perfectly confirmable. My actual role, not the double vote I got as a gift.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, the outside influence favors town, hence why I'm trying to exert it .

Also, I totally friggen misread Jarti's post.

God dammit.

[UncertainKitten]

Who did I predict again? Either way, I know TBM was one of them and that was wrong. I think I had the other as Jarti. Honestly, no idea why I shot MoI, and I'm sorry for that. I should have shot Jarti since he kinda made himself obvious end of Day 2.

So...yeah...sorry my vigging sucked. I was originally planning to clean out VIs and the like.

[UncertainKitten]

I know. You made me feel bad for killing you . And it turns out I didn't get it right until too late. That's the trouble, it seems. At this point I can push some lynches through, but my scumdar is shit.

[UncertainKitten]

OH, I remember. I had TBM/Recks as a team.

Boy wasn't I way the fuck off.

[UncertainKitten]

PoE on you, TBM. It was in lylo I suspected you. Part of it was "Wouldn't it be neat if..." speculation regarding the idea of you trying to get away with a cop like claim to coast to endgame and you not dying, and part of it is "Why did you do that?" in lylo.

Oh God, how did I miss your hammer Jarti? I feel like a real moron. You should have been shot so hard by me.

[UncertainKitten]

Confirmation bias strikes again. I don't even want to try to explain my thought process, since I know it not myself.

[UncertainKitten]

As I said, that was me being an idiot, MoI. I let confirmation bias get me and shot without thinking. Not a mistake I plan to repeat.

[UncertainKitten]

Can I be The World if I pre-/in for Tarot mafier?