DP12 JeepFest Mafia GAME OVER

[Nox]

I have one thing to say to MeMe:

LmL claimed to be a blocker. Some of us found him to be highly scummy and voted him.

tss, him, claimed cop. You, along with a few others found that to be scummy, thus you voted him.

Now, you say that its scummy that we voted LmL, because you though LmL's claimed role to be the only one useful agaisnt scum. However, you're voting tss, who's claimed cop. The only so-called proof that you have against him is that he has mafia results on you. That doesn't confirm anything to us, therefore, you cannot expect us to believe you over him. I don't see how us having voted LmL, who's claimed roleblocker; is any scummier than you having voted tss, who has claimed COP.

I'll call Someone, and see if I can get him to get his ass on here ASAP.

[MeMe]

Nox - I don't know how I can make my point of view any more clear, but I'll give it a try.

It's the fact that those of you who were voting for Lee did so even while claiming to find me

equally

scummy that's the problem. If you think I'm just as likely to be scum as Lee is, it boggles my mind that you chose to vote the one claiming blocker. I don't want to die, but I think it's crystal-clear that town should take the careful route when faced with people who are equally scummy. Since you all wouldn't back off Lee even after I'd explained that point time after time, that makes me extremely unwilling to trust that you're town. Get it straight, my point was

never

"lynch me instead of Lee!" It was "if you're town who believes tss to be sane, you should WANT to lynch me instead of Lee!"

Regarding my vote for the silent speaker -- remember the whole story, please. I

know

that tss's claimed results aren't always accurate, which might mean he's scum. I also recommended that inHim -- who tss got as innocent -- block the lynch on tss. It seemed logical to me that if anyone fully trusts tss to be sane, they should trust inHim to be innocent. If tss died, he'd be scum and inHim would be exposed as well. If he didn't, inHim would be confirmed innocent. Since I know that, if tss is town he's NOT sane, it's a foolproof plan from my point of view.

Also something to consider, Leonidas says that tss is known to be sane because of his result on Nanook -- but conveniently leaves out the fact that tss didn't GIVE that result until after Nanook was dead...so how in the WORLD does that prove sanity? At this point, tss is lower on my list of suspects that Leonidas inHim and you -- so I think it's possible he's telling the truth about his results and that they're wrong. But saying "we know he's sane" because of results on a dead guy given after the guy died wouldn't stand up in a elementary school debate.

And Nox -- I don't think you're allowed to call Someone. That's called communicating outside of the game thread (modkill territory) -- and you should definitely clear it with DP first, especially if you're town.

[MeMe]

Oh -- I didn't exactly answer your question, I see.

It's scummier to vote a blocker than a cop at this point in the game because cop, even if sane, can't do anything to stop scum overnight. A live blocker, doctor, or vigilante

can

.

Which is exactly why you should've wanted to vote me, claimed cop (who actually IS proven accurate), over Lee, claimed blocker. Clear now?

[MeMe]

Hey -- you know there's something else I just thought of regarding tss's sanity.

You all say that Lee & I are scum because tss got us guilty and that inHim's the godfather with investigation protection because tss got him innocent.

But

PeaceBringer

investigated inHim too...and his visions made it pretty clear that inHim's jeep (which inHim confirmed). If inHim were protected from investigations, how could PeaceBringer get such an accurate read on him? It would seem rather crippling if inHim were a godfather expecting to be able to claim whatever role he wanted to without fear of an investigation discrediting him.

[Nox]

Peacebringer's visions were incredibly vague.

[MeMe]

fine I will give out what I saw-sorry mike if this gives out to much cause I really have no clue on interpretation.

I start off by seeing colors
green, yellow, white, and blue


The next images is crosses, then distorted crosses.


The I start hearing sounds, song fragments then
peanuts- very fine

then i see a man who talks to people, greets people, and is smiling.

Last thin I get is a smell of diesel fumes and then the acid trip is over.

Like I said, doesn't come off as evil but the rest of it I have no clue.

Crosses, distorted crosses (avatar). Peanuts - very fine (unclear until CA uncovered their meaning). Greets people (host of jeepfest). Diesel fumes (gasoline for a jeep).

I did in fact take a trip last night. I was waiting a bit to get a feel on who to vote. I will again

vote Nanook

I tripped on Nox-

here is what I saw

first of all was sparkles of electricty

then vast ranges of snow then ice

next is an apparently large translucent animal who apparently was strutting

I here rock music at first distorted but I eventually recognize it as U2, the song is I will follow and I started humming along.
The last thing is a human shape which is just sitting still.

Apparently Nox claimed Townie- I have no idea how to intepret this stuff

And yours was good enough to make CA consider you confirmed.

How can you call them "incredibly vague"?

[Nox]

It was vague regarding jeep's alignment.

It was indeed an accurate read on jeep, but it didn't, like you said, discredit him. There was no indication of a mafia alignment. He could still be pro-town, or the godfather.

In his vision of me, there was a symbol representing my role/night actions: The man just standing still. (vanilla townie)

In jeep's vision, there is a man greeting people. It does not discredit anyone, nor does it give anything away. It looks like a man who appears to be good. Yet, as you said, godfathers appear innocent when investigated, right?

I'm not saying that I'm convinced that inhim/jeep is the Godfather: I'm just saying that it would be likely.

[MeMe]

Nox -- I didn't say the vision

did

discredit anyone. I said that an investigation-proof godfather shouldn't have

fear

of the possibility of an investigator discrediting him. See, the fact that PeaceBringer got an accurate read on inHim's role name makes me doubt that inHim could be an investigation-proof godfather as those types of godfathers should have a reasonable assumption that they can claim whoever and whatever they want to without fear that an investigation could catch him out.

I

agree

with you that it shows nothing about alignment -- but if inHim actually

is

jeep, he doesn't seem to be investigation-proof.

Here's an example to make it more clear:
--Say that inHim is jeep, investigation-proof godfather.
--He gets in a tight spot and claims to be Nox with the nightly ability to light a white candle at his altar to keep danger from a person of his choice
--PeaceBringer takes a trip that totally negates that claim

Again, just something I thought of -- but it makes perfect sense to me. But, of

course

it would, right!? I know that at least one of tss's investigations isn't accurate and I think I've uncovered some evidence that

another

one doesn't fit in with the reigning theory (that of me & Lee are scum and jeep is our godfather). As much relief as I felt yesterday at the burden of trying to be heard being lifted off me, I just can't seem to shrug it off! I think I'm genetically wired to never give up.

[MeMe]

And I fully apologize if the white candle thing has nothing to do with Wicca -- my only "knowledge" comes from movies like The Craft.

[Dragon Phoenix]

I'll call Someone, and see if I can get him to get his ass on here ASAP.

Like MeMe said, please don't. This is getting on a slippery slope with respect to the rules. I have a volunteer to take over from Someone, so if he was not able or could not be bothered to check scum for the last week, the game can go on.

[Leonidas]

At the end of this game, MeMe will get a certain number of awards.

List of awards includes (but is not necessarily limited to):

1) - Best scum strategy

I suspect she's the one with the plan, and this one definitely gets an A+ at least. This is a great vintage of MeMe scum play, you don't get a bottle of that every day - it's like drinking Chateau Petrus 1989.

2) - Grace under fire

While her fellow scums are relatively quiet now - especially LML,

(the guy who

dared

to claim Samadhi - part-time blocker, in this setup, when Antrax was proven to be a scum role, and the role-blocker was dead)

, MeMe is still trying to resist the angry mob, and still gets a shot at confusing the town. And under the circumstances, her posts are arguably the best she could produce.

What can I say. I hope you understand why her neurons have captured my imagination.

[Dragon Phoenix]

Vote count, five to evict someone:

MeMe 2 (Nox, Leonidas)
No lynch 1 (LoudmouthLee)
LoudmouthLee 1 (the silent speaker)
Leonidas 1 (MeMe)

Not voting: Someone, Commodore Amazing, inHimshallibe

Someone has been prodded and will be replaced if he does not show up within 12 hours.

[LoudmouthLee]

Well then... think about it Leo...

While her fellow scums are relatively quiet now - especially LML, (the guy who dared to claim Samadhi - part-time blocker, in this setup, when Antrax was proven to be a scum role, and the role-blocker was dead),

Let's tackle this 1 at a time... If I would have been posting ANYWHERE else.. (and I haven't been), you would have a legit gripe. However, life gets in the way, especially when the school year is in full throttle.

Next, you claim that I have some sort of audacity of claiming my role. With roles like "Polarboy" out there, I could have VERY easily claimed ANYONE as a Townie.

I won't talk about how Werebear doesn't seem like a likely townie. It really doesn't matter. I'll re-read and continue with any analysis.

But, for now..

Unvote: No Lynch and Vote: Leonidas

[Dragon Phoenix]

d8P replaces Someone effective immediately. Role and night actions if appropriate have been sent.

[Nox]

Just a clarification, DP and others: There will be Out of game communication between Someone and I, he's in my classes and we hang out with eachother regulary XD.

Of course, there is no discussion game-wise, but you get my drift.

[the silent speaker]

It seemed logical to me that if anyone fully trusts tss to be sane, they should trust inHim to be innocent. If tss died, he'd be scum and inHim would be exposed as well.

Not if inHim is the godfather. Which I am not sold on 100%, as I have said, but I'm also unwilling to stake my life on

not

being so.

LEE HAS STILL NOT GIVEN RESULTS. This should dispel doubt in any town's mind that he is lying about having results to give.

[MeMe]

It seemed logical to me that if anyone fully trusts tss to be sane, they should trust inHim to be innocent. If tss died, he'd be scum and inHim would be exposed as well.

Not if inHim is the godfather. Which I am not sold on 100%, as I have said, but I'm also unwilling to stake my life on

not

being so.

Right -- and I put it in the past tense because, at the time, I wasn't considering godfather possibility -- just your declaration that Nanook & inHim are on the same side and I'm on the opposite side.

LEE HAS STILL NOT GIVEN RESULTS. This should dispel doubt in any town's mind that he is lying about having results to give.

Certainly looking that way.

[Leonidas]

Tss - Lee has pushed for a no lynch today.

That alone should be more than enough, since the Town's best interest is either
- to lynch scum, of course, or
- to have inHim prove his ability - which results in no lynch too if inHim is town, but also clears inHim and therefore yields more information.


As to MeMe, well - she's guilty of the capital crime of any great mafia player.

:arrow:

I really don't know why...

[Leonidas]

I also like this one, of course:

Tss didn't GIVE that result until after Nanook was dead...so how in the WORLD does that prove sanity?

[inHimshallibe]

I hope everyone else is noting that tss is seemingly refusing to vote for MeMe.

[the silent speaker]

WTF? I can't vote *both* Lee and MeMe. We haven't come to consensus that I've seen over which one dangles today, we're not doing anything until d8p chimes in... and for that matter, you yourself said, "I just can't do it," regarding voting MeMe, so you have no room to complain about which scum my vote is sitting on.

[MeMe]

<----- not "scum"

[Leonidas]

(in spite of all the reverse logic, MeMe?)

[Leonidas]

(And of all the lies and mis-representations?)

inHim, when you said that Tss was not voting for MeMe, did you consider the fact that - technically - neither were you? Even after agreeing with me that she was scum?

[MeMe]

Leonidas, reverse logic and misrepresentation (and lurking and ridiculous mindchanging and general jerkiness) are

your

domains. I'm doing the best I can with the hand I've been dealt and have been in the fight the

entire game

-- not just becoming rabid when a win is in sight. I wish that EVERYONE would mark that you only got interested in talking once you'd had the good fortune to have been declared "innocent" by tss, which is the

only

reason I can see for everyone deciding to ignore/forgive your behavior.

Everyone, please consider the game without tss's claimed results. Who would

you

believe to be guilty? Are my posts logical or "reverse" logical? Consider what

you'd

do if called guilty when innocent -- and see if my posts fit that. Now consider, out of all of the players you know, whether you believe Internet Stranger to be adept at hunting scum. That "Paragon of Mafia Hunters" title is self-given, I believe, and has more than a little bit of bravado and irony in it. Any who've played with him know that he pretends to be sure of himself even when he's

dead wrong

.

DP -- can we get a prod on d8P? I'd appreciate at least a checking in post.