Mini 1001 - Guys, Pt. 2 [adult] Mafia (GAME OVER!)

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Vote: Nobody Special

For not voting in your first post.

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Why are you unvoting?

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Mod(s): I'm voting Nobody Special

FINE FATHERFUCKER IT'S FIXED.

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The NS wagon is pure win.

SO'S YOUR FACE.

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Eh, you never needed to breathe anyways..

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Testing a theory that NS has to vote (follow) for whomever is voted for. And unvote if he's voted for.

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Vote: InflatablePie

Here's your competing wagon....

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Well lame. Why are you voting who you're voting then?

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Vote: Nobody Special

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He said that he can't explain much. The only reason that I can see that he can't explain is a restriction.

His "that's not it" also seems to confirm that there is some sort of restriction, but not related to following votes (which seemed to be a pattern thusfar)

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Heh, all of page 2 ninja'd me. I'd have looked smarter otherwise.

@Mafuyu:

How could it possibly be too early for figuring out what's going on here?

You look pretty smart anyways *wink wink*

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So.. why would you want to play in the dark about one player's restrictions so you can judge what's his own game and what is forced upon him?

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I have a theory too guys! And Its that Zaz is scum~

Vote:ZazieR

What's this theory predicated upon?

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Gut and rope. Lots of rope.

Gut of what, exactly. Zazie hasn't posted yet.

@Mafuyu: MPR? Do you know something that we don't?

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Gut and rope. Lots of rope.

Gut of what, exactly. Zazie hasn't posted yet.

Exactly~

So, Zazie is supposed to check the site every 8 hours so that he'd see that the thread is open?

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@Midnight: So what's the real reason that you're voting Zazie?

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@Midnight: He's the best lead I have so far.
@Mafuyu: Somebody as great as Mafuyu should be able to keep two games straight.

@Ythill: Why would we want to give NS (if he's faking a restriction, as you noted) leeway?

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Vote: Zazie

Whatever.

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Rape as comedy. Off to a good start.

Hey, 9 out of 10 people enjoy group rape.

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@Ythan: Look at his votes. His first post didn't have a vote (which I found suspicious, given his experience around here), and then he followed every vote on the first page. If he was voted (as he was by a couple people) he unvoted.

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Calling Mafuyu-town and InflatablePie-scum as of this post.

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Vote: Zazie

Whatever.

Your last vote.

And? I still need to find any/all partners to IPenis.

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I am wondering whether Inflatable Penis has a post restriction.

What would make you wonder that?

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Damn I'm good.

Can we hang Zazie yet? I'd really love to add "lynched lurker scum before he posted" to my mafia resume.

I'm trying Ythill. IP-scum won't vote for his partner though

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Awww, IP doesn't want to buss..

@Ythan: All one-way buddying so far. Ythill is definitely the catcher to my pitcher... >_>

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Relax and let it come? Are you suffering from performance anxiety?

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Ok, I'm sick of not voting for obv-scum.

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Vote: InflatablePie

Just check out his latest two votes if you want more solid proof. Yth(an?): I'm surprised you didn't catch onto that.

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To clarify: Mafuyu seems pretty newbie. The Yth's, me, you (BC), Zazie and NS are all not very easy targets. IP-scum in this situation would be nervous about this and go after an easy mislynch (mafuyu does seem to fit the bill).

To note: In ISO 2, he challenges Ythill's town read of NS (like he knows Ythill is town) and then challenges his pro-townieness in the same paragraph.

In the same post, he attacks Mafuyu for something that isn't a scumtell (never too early for random theories) and piggybacks Ythan for something he "does not like".

Also, I do like the little trap that I set up for him. By calling him obv-scum and the bussing comments, it shouldn't bother him if he's town. Town would vote for whomever that they want regardless of other people's opinion of them. To not vote because of one person is not the action of a townie.

Then he loses track of where his vote is; and attacks Mafuyu *again* for something that isn't a scumtell (random votes).

Support to my points:
I try for a quickhammer in mini 815 and when I get caught as scum my mindset was to lash back, but to not move my vote for fear of looking more scummy.

Shit, I can't find the other one: All I know is that I replaced out D1 as scum in a Friends and Enemies game by ABR with people like Vi, Troll, ekiM, Ojanen and I lost track of my vote. I have no clue what it was called anymore though The point is that I know where my vote is at all times as town; and I've only lost track of it as scum because you're fabricating scumreads.

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I started posting in the thread too late (probably) for it to be me; and I double post a fair amount.

@Yth: I'm not scum, but I'm even more sure of IP's scummi-ness with his most recent posts.

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@Yth

Seconded. Only Yth and I can use that abbreviation to refer to each other. The rest of you should add at least one more letter.

I just finished the most bastardly marathon game of all time and am really in no condition to think clearly, so I'm just stopping in to say goodnight. NS's flavor identity is obv, but I don't think we should be guessing these things outloud unless we're massclaiming them. I still see no benefit to doing that.

I couldn't remember which one of you asked, so that would get the attention of the one that did.

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It's not like you could get jaded from Zazie's posting, MS.

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@Ythill: nice try. Go back to when I called IP obv-scum (on like page.. 3?). I don't know when IP was ever a popular target either (especially when you stated yourself that the wagons were going to Maf and Exi), I was the only one calling him scum by my recollection.

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And how quickly my wagon built on your weak case doesn't create any doubt for you?

Think of it this way: You're 3-5 pages into a mini and you have one person you view as absolute-scum. How would you find any partners after so little discussion?

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For what reasons (on all three)?

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And how quickly my wagon built on your weak case doesn't create any doubt for you?

The case isn't weak.

You're 3-5 pages into a mini and you have one person you view as absolute-scum. How would you find any partners after so little discussion?

I don't like rhetorical questions. Are you telling us that you withheld your IP vote because you wanted to find his buddies?

1) Yes, it is weak because
2) That's exactly why I withheld my vote of IP (and I believe I stated so in thread)

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@Ythill: He hasn't interacted with all that many people (you tell me how any of the "who's on first" crap is actual interaction; or the pictures) but here goes:

(excluding me, of course, since I know I have no partners)
Definitely not with: Mafuyu
Most likely not with: Ythill, MidnightSorrow
Leaning not with: BloodCovenant

Really, aside from me (and a weak vote on Exi lately) this is all he's talked to/about all game. I'm guessing he's like me-scum in early days where I completely ignored most/all my scumbuddies.

Since IP isn't on the wagon of me (and Ythill, MS and BC are) this would lead me to believe that Nobody Special is scum since it built way too fast for an all townie wagon.

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Calling Mafuyu-town and InflatablePie-scum as of this post.

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Vote: Zazie

Whatever.

Your last vote.

And? I still need to find any/all partners to IPenis.

Hey, Ythill: These were on page 3. You wanna try again cause I had this explanation in thread that I was looking for IP's partners. It's not something new or invented after the fact.

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@Ami:

Yeah, I got that but then you switched your vote before getting that information. Explain please? I'm more interested in what you did than in what you said.

@Exi:

Okay, whatever. I understand your reasoning, I just don't agree with it, which is fine.

As long as I could narrow down the list (like I provided) I was fine with it. I didn't need complete information, but I got more sure that IP is scum and then reduce the number of people to really look at and find scumtells in. I didn't feel the need to try to solve the game 100%; getting a scum member and a couple people that aren't with him was enough of a goal.

You said something about I switched my vote when there was more IP support for scum; when was this? I was pretty sure that I'm the only one that had ever voted him but I'd love to be proven wrong.

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Also:
@Ythan: Whom *wouldn't* you do, ever?

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@Ythill: I'm failing to understand why you thought my case against IP is reaching now that we cleared everything up.

He's really only attacked one player, and somebody that I would classify as an easy target (Mafuyu) being as newbie as he seems. This is not the actions of a townie and my main gripe with him. He's actively non-contributed to the game otherwise and was excessively worried about what I (and only I) would say about him if he switched votes. That implies a greater than what I would classify as normal self-preservation for a town aligned player.

@Ythan: What don't you like about Exi?

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@Mafuyu: it was just for the sexual innuendo.

@Ythan: If you would, please. Exi hasn't really set off any alarm bells for me so I was wondering what was causing hate for him.

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@DTM: I can see BC-scum. His (lack of) reasoning for a vote on me bothers the hell outta me and in my eyes there had to be scum on my wagon with how fast it built.

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Vote: BloodCovenent

@Ythill: If IP really believed that Mafuyu was scum; why were his {IP's} votes not based on any actual scumtells? RVS votes late *aren't* a scumtell and that's essentially the only "reason" that IP provided. Your logic is wrong on that point, which is why I say it must come from a scum perspective; starting the assumption of IP-scum and justifying the rest of it.

Also, I consider myself a relatively average player. However, there are things I've only *ever* done as scum. That's the definition of a scumtell, something that scum are much more likely to do than town. In all my games, I don't think I've ever seen a townie forget where their vote was. They might unvote and revote the same player saying that their vote is confirmed on them or something, but IP's revote of mafuyu looked like he was trying to start a new case rather than build upon his old one with new evidence. The fact that he piggybacked you early on doesn't help him in my eyes; regardless of how good or not-good the scumtell is.

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@DTM: So... you have a problem with me staying with my read of IP-scum; yet branching out to another scum (BloodCovenant) for largely the same reasons?

Do you believe that scum don't vote for their partners? It's easier to find scumtells in partners than it is in townies from my experience.

BC piggybacked my vote on IP, yes. Did it fly under my radar because I believe it to be on scum? Yes. I'm failing to see where I'm contradictory at all.

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Ok, I'm sick of not voting for obv-scum.

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Vote: InflatablePie

Just check out his latest two votes if you want more solid proof. Yth(an?): I'm surprised you didn't catch onto that.

He unvoted one person... then voted the same person?
Could be scum bussing. I support this wagon.
On top of that, he piggybacked me rather obviously in his last vote iirc.

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@Ex, why do you think we're still in the RVS >.>

You saw what I pointed out (apparently agreed with it); come up with a crappy "theory" about scum bussing. Only piggybacking was your original content. That looks pretty much like the same reasoning as me.

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Ugh, IP flaked... figures

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@Ythill: Why is the target so important?

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MS or NS is scum; I need to reread again. The precedent that I can think of is Mastin D1 in NY92. He was a lyncher 3rd party; and the main reason that he was lynched was because of scum pushing him and parking their votes there. Town wanted to keep discussion going and scumhunt but most of the scum parked there because "omg non-town; we won't get a better lynch" (essentially).

I don't believe Mafuyu is smart enough to come up with a fake-claim and play like that throughout the game (so I don't *think* he's scum) but I wouldn't mind confirmation either if we can get it.

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Survivors are anti-town in end-game; solely due to the fact that mafia *can* claim in lylo and say if you don't vote with us we'll kill you tonight (which is 100% against the wincon of a survivor; and you have to assume that they'll play to their wincon).

I would hope that we could have a vig; but with the commuter it's a 50/50 shot to kill them or waste a pro-town night action. This is the only logical point that I can see to lynching Mafuyu now; and I'm slightly surprised that nobody has brought it up.

I have no idea where the votes are at, but I don't mind lynching Mafuyu; but I'd still rather go after BC/Buttonmen

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@NS: So, why does pissing you off result in a vote (regarding MS); and so "strong" a vote that you wouldn't switch it for "not town"?

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Because I suck at mafia. (I get far too emotional during games. Bad. Very, very bad.)

So.. get better?

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I do not base my decisions on future happenings that may or may not happen, and that is exactly what I'm being told. That she may or may not be bad in lylo.

@NS:

I'm going to ignore you until you get my gender right~

A) Can NS and MS hug this shit out, listening to a nongame argument between you two is pretty low on my list of things I want to read.
B) MS do you understand why Mafuyu is bad in end game situations

(If she is what she claimed she is, more on that later)

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Are we sure we can't lynch this scumbag?

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I really want day-vig powers for MS.

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I really want day-vig powers for

myself so I could shoot

MS.

Fixed.

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Eh.

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Vote: Mafuyu

TBM still needs to die for sure. Too bad only one other person sees it.

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I want a lot of people to die.

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NS, it looks like everyone is being trolled (but by MS).

TB is like .. well, actual TB. It'll kill you so you should avoid it at all costs.

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@TBM:

Your imaginary pony has been delivered to wherever you imagine it to be.

With Maf @ L-1 and a couple of potential hammers out there, it looks like this day is grinding to a close. I should probably advise you all that I am not a good target choice for tonight. Unless you're scum of course.

Somehow I don't believe you.

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OK FUCK YOU ALL

I'm a one-shot cop, TheButtonmen is scum.

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@Ythan: I believe you need to full-claim. I will as well when you do; I never leave soft-claims go over a day.

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No, I didn't fullclaim (name and a *possible* other ability are "hidden"); and ythan needs to cause half-claims I *always* distrust. Though if he's right about Exi; I know I'm right about you, so it's not a huge deal.

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@Amished - Why TBM? Who else did you consider investigating last night?

@Claus: TBM replaced Inflatable; after D1 I wanted confirmation so I could kinda shove it all in your faces. Also, after yesterday it didn't look like he was gonna be an obv-lynch so it wouldn't have been a wasted investigation.

Also, I did mean Ythill; he was the one that softclaimed.

Second to lastly: I believe Ythan, and I wouldn't mind trusting him on Exi. Going that fast without discussion just seemed too quick which is why I didn't hammer (and why I withheld my vote from a guilty result; planning on putting my vote there anyways)

Lastly (and I believe this will clear up quite a bit): My full claim is Ythan. Essentially I'm so knowledgeable about everything I can either bestow my knowledge to another player (if they're town, I'll become a mason with them) or if they're scum they're not worthy of "my" knowledge and I'll know it by looking at them. I only had one-shot; and it was an either/or situation.

I did ask, and there would've been a chance for me to get my 1-shot back (but I'm *assuming* that would only happen if I would've targeted Mafuyu as he commuted). I also got my result 24 hours *before* the deadline, which both leads me to believe that scum only get Night Talk (as I'd then get time to chat with my mason buddy) AND that there's no roleblocker of any sort (since night actions could probably have changed). I didn't ask if I could switch my target, but I assumed I wouldn't have been able to since that would've been pretty dickish (which ironically fits into the theme of the game).

I tried to hint at my role (I'm shitty at that though) by buddying up to Ythan so much early game (since he's my role) and by talking about his soft-claim late in the day yesterday.

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@Ex:

Who do you think is scum? Why?

I still have to read a little better, but I'm feeling confortable with pinning Amished as scum, due to his behaviour day 1 towards Mafuyu. On the other side, there's obviously MS because of the way he's been playing and for his vote on Mafuyu, which seems like a weird atempt at bussing. I don't think he gave off a "newbie type of vibe" as Claus stated. Also, his Post #751 seems like a sudden moment of clarity in which he votes DTM for, on lack of a better term, lurking.

Oh? Do you expect Mafuyu to only concentrate on his scumbuddy? Did any of my actions suggest I didn't actually believe that he was a survivor? What about my actions made you think that I didn't buy his claim as a survivor? What do you think of my roleclaim now?

@Fabio: That should help out a lot, thanks. I should call Ythan Batman just to be really sure...

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@Ami - You are the other person with a night action who claimed. Can you confirm/Deny that we had a night 0?

I do remember this part; but when I asked about my ability (when it could be used; since it was somewhat ambiguous) the response that I got was that it could be used at any time, but it only would've come into effect the following night. There was a period early on, but I could not investigate/masonize anybody. If I had tried to use it on "N0" it would've come into effect N1. I was kinda hoping that it was a day ability and if I came under pressure I could use my 1-shot (and not reveal that) to prevent a mislynch; then have two confirmed town that are essentially vanilla (probably) to protect any/all other power roles (which since my ability is 1-shot; I figured something else would be out there.)

So I basically saw it as a normal game; where you can send your action in early and then it'll be counted. Or if there's some roles that effect each other it might be time sensitive (whichever comes first goes into effect first).

Now that I've thought about it; I don't need a claim from Fabio today, though I will say that he got extremely lucky.

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No, I could send my ability in at any time, but my result would come at night.

Sanity isn't explicitly guaranteed; but since the other "half" of my one-shot ability would make them confirmed town (by being a mason with them) it's implicitly guaranteed. Also, I essentially get a result of "town" or "not town".

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Yeah, obv-not Reck.

Fabio, nice call. Also, look at TBM believing an obv-fakeclaim to take some pressure off his buddy; very cute.

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. Also, look at TBM believing an obv-fakeclaim to take some pressure off his buddy; very cute.

Hm?

Please re-read my post.

@Ythill:

Sorry for not making it clear. Claim: Not Recks

That claim is so weird that I kinda believe it.

Though I can't see why you would ever give someone a post restriction or alter a vote count (working with the assumption of town).

Unvote:

until the Recks claiming is done.

At which time I may blow your mind.

And an unvote. It's almost exactly like I said...

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.... I covered this already; the reason I haven't voted yet is because I trust Fabio; and the more I see of (Exi) the more I think he's scum. If you don't read in ISO it actually makes things a lot clearer. If you notice, I haven't really mentioned anybody because I've been so adamant about you-scum throughout the game. Afterwards, I'll feel mighty justified in my read even D1.

I investigated you because of IPie; and how scummy I thought he was.

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Also; you're drawing pressure off of him by unvoting. Though this is somewhat moot since those of us that "trust Fabio" is enough to lynch Exi at this time. However, I don't see why you wouldn't keep your vote there since the rest of us have shown that we're not going to hammer or quicklynch (or whatever was needed before your unvote). All I see is an unvote for an unvote's sake (which isn't townie in this situation). Who else are your suspects? You haven't mentioned me much; should that be factored in?

Finally, do I need to pressure him more? Will double hammering make him any deader?

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I still found IP weird as he didn't move his vote (pretty much at all). I wouldn't have thought that they'd be together (which is why I believed the survivor claim, and why Maf would've had to be lynched for that). However, I've been in games where it's a lot easier to go after partners than townies.

On a related note: you're forgetting the other half of my potential one-shot. If I could've made you/IP out to be town/my mason buddy; then I would've reevaluated everything and stopped from lynching a townie and given me a defender that would've corroborated my story in a way that's hard as hell to fake. I was considering going after Fabio; but with the PGO softclaim (and me believing he was a townie) I thought that it'd be better to try to find scum and out myself OR reduce pressure on somebody that I really felt to be scum and apply it more appropriately elsewhere.

At this point, with the softclaim (essentially) by Fabio; that's a great place to start. With a lynch already, the "50/50" (which still doesn't make sense, if I was scum with Exi; why would I try to push for a townie lynch and just get us set up for the next two days by claiming on my own already? Wouldn't I just keep my mouth shut? Claiming what I did when I did makes no sense as scum.)

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I was talking about Ythill. Which of them have I buddied in the start of the game. The Yth names got to me, and I'm pretty sure everyone else knew what I was talking about.

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@Amished - Why TBM? Who else did you consider investigating last night?

@Claus: TBM replaced Inflatable; after D1 I wanted confirmation so I could kinda shove it all in your faces. Also, after yesterday it didn't look like he was gonna be an obv-lynch so it wouldn't have been a wasted investigation.

Also, I did mean Ythill; he was the one that softclaimed.

Second to lastly:

I believe Ythan

, and I wouldn't mind trusting him on Exi. Going that fast without discussion just seemed too quick which is why I didn't hammer (and why I withheld my vote from a guilty result; planning on putting my vote there anyways)

Lastly (and I believe this will clear up quite a bit): My full claim is Ythan. Essentially I'm so knowledgeable about everything I can either bestow my knowledge to another player (if they're town, I'll become a mason with them) or if they're scum they're not worthy of "my" knowledge and I'll know it by looking at them. I only had one-shot; and it was an either/or situation.

I did ask, and there would've been a chance for me to get my 1-shot back (but I'm *assuming* that would only happen if I would've targeted Mafuyu as he commuted). I also got my result 24 hours *before* the deadline, which both leads me to believe that scum only get Night Talk (as I'd then get time to chat with my mason buddy) AND that there's no roleblocker of any sort (since night actions could probably have changed). I didn't ask if I could switch my target, but I assumed I wouldn't have been able to since that would've been pretty dickish (which ironically fits into the theme of the game).

I tried to hint at my role (I'm shitty at that though) by buddying up to Ythan so much early game (since he's my role) and by talking about his soft-claim late in the day yesterday.

That was Fabio/Ythill; Ythan didn't soft-claim anything. I had the person right, just the wrong name.

The first bolding is when I started to get screwed up. Ythill was the one that needed to be believed or not today.

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Yeah, that's why I've just taken to Fabio and Batman (to hell with Ythan's new Avy)...

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I'll be around, lemme know.

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It was a marathon game; it was essentially a game-ending jester who killed everyone via cumbomb.

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I dunno, I only read the thread once cause I heard something about cumbombs and knew it had to be something outrageous that only Recky would cum up with.

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Told you all IP was scum god dammit.

Nicely done, Ythan.

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PS SCUMMY NOM HERE: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2387590

Remind me to nominate Ythill for best pro-town performance for a single person. or best Mafia Catcher. Whatever it's called.

BUT HE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME IN IP UNTIL I CLAIMED COP