town needs to find scum to lynch, and they need information for that... I like to get (a little bit of) this informations by character profiles... I'm not saying everyone should do the same... I don't carexvart wrote:The town needs character profiles in order to make lynch decisions?Tasky wrote:the "that's what I'm saying" point is that generally information doesn't hurt town since the need it to make lynch decisions
Here you say that 2-3 aren't rolefishing, but go on to say that they could be used later for analysis and that quoted part from you says we might be able to later use those "personality profiles" to determine who has what role based on their play. While this method doesn't seem reliable at all to me, if you believe in it, how could you say that's not like rolefishing? If a cop or doc is somehow discovered through your method, that would, in fact, hurt town. So, either the questions do nothing as some people say (and I personally believe), or they are actually hurtful to town. Either way, the benefit to scum would outweigh the benefit to town (this method, even if it works, is unlikely to find scum unless they are pretty dumb about it). If Tasky is town, all these questions have done so far is make town suspect him, drawing attention away from the real scum. If Tasky is scum... well, these questions might have done some good after all.Tasky wrote:question 2/3 are not role-fishing... I honestly want to know from you which role you prefer to play and which roles you don't like to play against (or with)...Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Pointless rolefishing question.Tasky wrote:2) What's the role you prefer to play (nothing to uncommon please), which role do you prefer between townie and scum?See above.Tasky wrote:3) What role you hate having in the setup/play against (nothing uncommon please)?
this can beused later in the game for analysis of posts..._*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_Tasky wrote:e.g. I think that someone is more likely to be passive if they are playing a role they dislike...
knowing ones favorite role can turn useful later on... see it as a kind of investment, everybody invests 10 seconds of their time to tell us their favorite role and maybe we get to use that information later in the game... it's probable that it won't serve any purpose, but it could be helpful later, so it's definitely an investment that's somehow favorable
xvart, while I can see where diddin might be seen as scummy for that comment, I don't fully agree. Also, the underlined sentence? That is an enormous logical fallacy. What he was saying was "look, what I was trying to do was accomplished, even if it wasn't by my hand." That, by no means, equates to "look, what I was trying to do was accomplished BECAUSE I SCREWED UP."xvart wrote:But you are claiming some responsibility; so show me where the conversation occurred about bandwagoning or the person you bandwagoned occurred.diddin wrote: I'm not claiming sole responsibility for ending RVS, I'm just saying that my usual plan for getting out of RVS worked, regardless of because what I did or not.AND, you then say your plan for getting out of RVS worked, whether you did it or not; so logically, you are saying because what I did failed, we still got out of RVS.The fact that you are trying to take credit for something to gain town points is highly suspicious. Care to link to games where you enacted your usual plan?
Plus, your vote on Tasky was extremely opportunistic.
Based on the way Tasky has posted so far, if his questions are some sort of scum gambit, I am not seeing it.Friend wrote:I see what you're getting at, I suppose. While I don't think not answering the questions is scummy, I think I can see why he does.
QFT.Oso wrote: Based on the way Tasky has posted so far, if his questions are some sort of scum gambit, I am not seeing it.
Yes, if you look at it like a math problem, you're right. The thing is, this isn't a math problem. Words rarely obey the commutative property.Friend wrote: @quadz - he wasn't saying diddin said that specifically. He said that:
"My plan for getting out of the RVS worked, whether my bandwagon succeeded or not" is equivalent to "My bandwagon didn't succeed, so we got out of RVS" logically, like a math problem. Correct me if I'm wrong, xvart.
diddin is claiming some level of responsibility for the town now being out of the RVS stage.quadz08 wrote:xvart, while I can see where diddin might be seen as scummy for that comment, I don't fully agree. Also, the underlined sentence? That is an enormous logical fallacy. What he was saying was "look, what I was trying to do was accomplished, even if it wasn't by my hand." That, by no means, equates to "look, what I was trying to do was accomplished BECAUSE I SCREWED UP."
lol? It is hardly non-existent (as I hope I have clarified); but your jumping to his defense is duly noted. I also like how you tried to butter me up by saying you can see where diddin might be scummy for his comment and then go right ahead and blast my logic as a fallacy and how you won't stand for it. If everything about what I said was nonexistent and a fallacy, how pray tell do you see where he could be scummy?quadz08 wrote:Don't try to push suspicion on people for pretty much nonexistent reasons. I will not stand for it.
I quote part of my last postFriend wrote:@Oso: Why the change of heart? You were the one who brought up the contradiction in the first place.
Your comment that you thought not answering the questions wasn't scummy, but you could see how Tasky would think it was clarified it for me. He didn't contradict himself because he is scum but rather because he is trying to get his theory to work. Same contradiction still exists but my thoughts on his motivation for making it in the first place has changed.Oso wrote: - snip -
I think the contradiction I caught him in was a direct result of the fact that his trying to make his method work and he didn't think about what he was saying for that reason. Not because he was trying to lay some sort of trap.
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Oso wrote:@ Friend. My opinion on diddin is pretty much neutral at the moment. Mostly because, while you pointed out that vote could be seen as opportunistic, I need more than a single instance of opportunistic behavior to consider that it is opportunistic AND because he used the contradiction to vote. I voted for that same reason myself so trying to find him scummy/null/town off that isn't going to work for me. Same goes for SSBF.
Unvote:Tasky
Why? Look at the discussion. Many people have pointed out how scum could possibly use his method against him and against town. Again, I don't want to get into a huge MD dissertation here but he has a theory of Mafia that he is trying to refine. Whether it works or not is moot. I think the contradiction I caught him in was a direct result of the fact that his trying to make his method work and he didn't think about what he was saying for that reason. Not because he was trying to lay some sort of trap.
Friend hit on the head here:Based on the way Tasky has posted so far, if his questions are some sort of scum gambit, I am not seeing it.Friend wrote:I see what you're getting at, I suppose. While I don't think not answering the questions is scummy, I think I can see why he does.
I am not going to give him a pass based on his join date and posting style. If he expected mercy from me, he would get it at the Newbie games. Any other sections of Mafia and he deals with the best of my ability and nothing but the best.Friend wrote:Guys, take a look at Tasky's join date, posting style, etc. Now tell me, do you really think he's good enough to subtly rolefish like that as scum? Cause I really don't.
